Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

On 08/22/2013 05:15 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: - Original Message - On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: What things we do _now_ could be improved with the investment of some effort? Perl rebuild always take a lot of time, and as a result it will affect the mass re

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

- Original Message - > Dne 23.8.2013 10:24, Peter Robinson napsal(a): > > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Matthew Miller < mat...@fedoraproject.org > > wrote: > > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:08:18PM +0800, Christopher Meng wrote: > > > What things we do _now_ could be > > > im

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

- Original Message - > work on a composedb that gives easier insight into where things are in > the release cycles. where releases are in their cycle, i.e end of life, > stable or in development, for stable releases when updates where last > pushed, or if updates push is in progress, for i

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 09:41:56PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 09:56:06AM +0200, Till Maas wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 09:33:59AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > > > There's been discussion of adding "fedpkg retire-package" to fedpkg which > > > would basically

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 09:56:06AM +0200, Till Maas wrote: > On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 09:33:59AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Mat Booth wrote: > > > > Here's my favourite bugbear: https://fedorahosted.org/packagedb/ticket/243 > > > > > > > > > I have no idea wh

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 09:33:59AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Mat Booth wrote: > > Here's my favourite bugbear: https://fedorahosted.org/packagedb/ticket/243 > > > > > > I have no idea why the package retirement process needs intervention from > > rel-eng.-- >

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

On 08/22/2013 09:03 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: As we look at Fedora.next ideas and possibly decide to start implementation in the F21 timeframe, we will likely find _new_ things that take specific work. Let's not worry about that right now. What things we do _now_ could be improved with the inves

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 09:33:59 +0100 Peter Robinson wrote: > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Mat Booth > wrote: > > > On 22 August 2013 16:03, Matthew Miller > > wrote: > > > >> Based on discussion at Flock, on the devel mailing list, and in > >> t

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 08/23/2013 10:39 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > >> * much longer build.log holding time for FTBFS. >> >> I think this comes down to the amount of storage it takes and the amount >> we have available. > > Is that really that much? And i

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

Dne 23.8.2013 10:24, Peter Robinson napsal(a): On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Matthew Miller mailto:mat...@fedoraproject.org>> wrote: On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:08:18PM +0800, Christopher Meng wrote: > > What things we do _now_ could be > > improved with the investment of some eff

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

On 08/23/2013 10:39 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: * a unified koji/bodhi/bugzilla Web-GUI You think BZ is slow now? What do you mean by "now" ... now as in comparison to yesterday, or in general. In general, my issues with bugzilla basically are two: - It's UI is clumsy to use for Fedora -

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

> > E.g. going after these: > http://ausil.fedorapeople.org/**f20-failed.html > > Right now we have ~350+ broken packages, a lengthy series of broken deps, > an unknown amount of defacto unmaintained packages and an unknown amout of > maintainers havi

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Mat Booth wrote: > On 22 August 2013 16:03, Matthew Miller wrote: > >> Based on discussion at Flock, on the devel mailing list, and in the FESCo >> meeting, we are looking for feedback on the idea of a longer release cycle >> for Fedora 21 -- not (right now at le

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:08:18PM +0800, Christopher Meng wrote: > > > What things we do _now_ could be > > > improved with the investment of some effort? > > Perl rebuild always take a lot of time, and as a result it will affect > > the ma

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 18:11 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Aug 22, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > QA, releng and anaconda are on a more or less permanent iteration > > treadmill from Alpha TC1 onwards, severely limiting the time we have to > > work on anything else. We can only

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

On Aug 22, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > QA, releng and anaconda are on a more or less permanent iteration > treadmill from Alpha TC1 onwards, severely limiting the time we have to > work on anything else. We can only really get substantive work done on > 'things that are not rele

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

On Aug 22, 2013, at 9:42 AM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > some of the things I would like to work on include, fully automating > the release process, today i have to do mutliple things from multiple > locations to trigger off the different pieces of the release. write a > tool like mash for pulling

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 17:19 +0200, drago01 wrote: > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Matthew Miller > wrote: > > Based on discussion at Flock, on the devel mailing list, and in the FESCo > > meeting, we are looking for feedback on the idea of a longer release cycle > > for Fedora 21 -- not (right

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 10:41:25AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:00:54 +0200 > Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > ...snip... > > > > What Infrastructure projects would be helped by this? > > A web infrastructure to > > * ease package orphanage. > > * launch AWOL/MIA requests > > * a

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:03:52AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > As we look at Fedora.next ideas and possibly decide to start implementation > in the F21 timeframe, we will likely find _new_ things that take specific > work. Let's not worry about that right now. What things we do _now_ could be >

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:37 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 08/22/2013 03:19 PM, drago01 wrote: >> >> Given that most of this stuff can be done parallel to the release (it >> is not like everyone is busy for full 6 months during the release >> cycle) I doubt this gains us much if anything

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

On 08/22/2013 03:19 PM, drago01 wrote: Given that most of this stuff can be done parallel to the release (it is not like everyone is busy for full 6 months during the release cycle) I doubt this gains us much if anything. This is laughable response we in QA and I'm pretty sure it's the same fo

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 10:38:38AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > In general most of our constraints are people related. We just don't > have enough developers and sysadmins to setup, deploy and maintain all > the things we might want to do. I definitely know how that is. Of the list you give, maybe

Rebuilding in dependency order (was: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?)

Miroslav Suchy wrote: >On 08/22/2013 06:47 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> Well, I noticed the rebuild was running only some times. I assume >> when they were there to launch the builds in that batch? >> >> Is there any way all the builds could be listed and just fired off >> and queued all at once? > >P

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:03:52 -0400 Matthew Miller wrote: > Based on discussion at Flock, on the devel mailing list, and in the > FESCo meeting, we are looking for feedback on the idea of a longer > release cycle for Fedora 21 -- not (right now at least) the bigger > question of the 6-month cycle

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

On 08/22/2013 06:47 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Well, I noticed the rebuild was running only some times. I assume when they were there to launch the builds in that batch? Is there any way all the builds could be listed and just fired off and queued all at once? Peter queue honor build requires (Den

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

On 08/22/2013 03:03 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: Based on discussion at Flock, on the devel mailing list, and in the FESCo meeting, we are looking for feedback on the idea of a longer release cycle for Fedora 21 -- not (right now at least) the bigger question of the 6-month cycle overall, but just,

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:00:54 +0200 Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 08/22/2013 05:03 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > Based on discussion at Flock, on the devel mailing list, and in the > > FESCo meeting, we are looking for feedback on the idea of a longer >

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:27:20 +0200 Ralf Corsepius wrote: > The issue with this perl rebuilt was the person conducting the > initial rebuild didn't manage to finish it. Don't get me wrong - He > did a good job, but his time frame simply was unrealistically short. Well, I noticed the rebuild was r

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:03:52 -0400 Matthew Miller wrote: > Based on discussion at Flock, on the devel mailing list, and in the > FESCo meeting, we are looking for feedback on the idea of a longer > release cycle for Fedora 21 -- not (right now at least) the bigger > question of the 6-month cycle

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:00:54 +0200 Ralf Corsepius wrote: ...snip... > > What Infrastructure projects would be helped by this? > A web infrastructure to > * ease package orphanage. > * launch AWOL/MIA requests > * a unified koji/bodhi/bugzilla Web-GUI > * much longer build.log holding time for FT

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

On 08/22/2013 05:12 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:08:18PM +0800, Christopher Meng wrote: What things we do _now_ could be improved with the investment of some effort? Perl rebuild always take a lot of time, and as a result it will affect the mass rebuild. Apparently les

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

On 08/22/2013 05:03 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: Based on discussion at Flock, on the devel mailing list, and in the FESCo meeting, we are looking for feedback on the idea of a longer release cycle for Fedora 21 -- not (right now at least) the bigger question of the 6-month cycle overall, but just,

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

On 22 August 2013 16:03, Matthew Miller wrote: > Based on discussion at Flock, on the devel mailing list, and in the FESCo > meeting, we are looking for feedback on the idea of a longer release cycle > for Fedora 21 -- not (right now at least) the bigger question of the > 6-month > cycle overall,

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:19:09 +0200 drago01 wrote: > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Matthew Miller > wrote: > > Based on discussion at Flock, on the devel mailing list, and in the > > FESCo meeting, we are looking for feedback on the idea of a longer > > release cycle for Fedora 21 -- not (righ

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:03:52 -0400 Matthew Miller wrote: > Based on discussion at Flock, on the devel mailing list, and in the > FESCo meeting, we are looking for feedback on the idea of a longer > release cycle for Fedora 21 -- not (right now at lea

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > Based on discussion at Flock, on the devel mailing list, and in the FESCo > meeting, we are looking for feedback on the idea of a longer release cycle > for Fedora 21 -- not (right now at least) the bigger question of the 6-month > cycle ove

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > What things we do _now_ could be > improved with the investment of some effort? Perl rebuild always take a lot of time, and as a result it will affect the mass rebuild. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fed

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

- Original Message - > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Matthew Miller > wrote: > > What things we do _now_ could be > > improved with the investment of some effort? > > Perl rebuild always take a lot of time, and as a result it will affect > the mass rebuild. It's unfortunately about P

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:08:18PM +0800, Christopher Meng wrote: > > What things we do _now_ could be > > improved with the investment of some effort? > Perl rebuild always take a lot of time, and as a result it will affect > the mass rebuild. Apparently less so with all the new ARM builders, rig

F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

Based on discussion at Flock, on the devel mailing list, and in the FESCo meeting, we are looking for feedback on the idea of a longer release cycle for Fedora 21 -- not (right now at least) the bigger question of the 6-month cycle overall, but just, right now, slowing down for a release to get som