Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Netizen Spin
On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 18:52:18 -0400 Corey Leong coreyle...@gmail.com wrote: I refined the the Detailed Description [1] [2] per the questions concerning the Fedora Spin development. Detailed Description - Fedora Netizen is an open source operating system for enabling internet citizens, also known as netizens, to engage online services and communities. Fedora Netizen includes software packages for focusing on civic engagement and internet safety features related to security and privacy. Nonprofit Organizations and public agencies will benefit from Fedora Netizen by switching to free open-source software (FOSS) for running public services on the Internet. Fedora Netizen empowers netizens with their online activism for changing the world with the help of open source software. So this sounds like it might be a server variant instead of a live media? If NPO's are intended to use it to run services, I would think basing it off server and perhaps working on some server roles would be good here... Perhaps you meant that this would be good for NPO's users to use as a workstation to talk to their servers? If this is a collection of packages, perhaps it would be as well served by having a group available of these packages? Then anyone could install those from any other Fedora install. Of course they would need to have network then... I removed the psychology topics since it seemed to be a bit confusing to others which means users would also have been confused about the spin. Regarding the listing of the packages, my intent is to simply make users aware of what open source software is included in the spin by categorizing the packages. I intend to include best practices, how-to's, and other related documentation on a spin related website for the user to configure and customize on their own after reading documentation. ok. snip trademark thing already addressed kevin pgpksIH3Uk7O2.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Netizen Spin
Kevin -- Detailed Description - Fedora Netizen is an open source operating system for enabling internet citizens, also known as netizens, to engage online services and communities. Fedora Netizen includes software packages for focusing on civic engagement and internet safety features related to security and privacy. Nonprofit Organizations and public agencies will benefit from Fedora Netizen by switching to free open-source software (FOSS) for running public services on the Internet. Fedora Netizen empowers netizens with their online activism for changing the world with the help of open source software. So this sounds like it might be a server variant instead of a live media? If NPO's are intended to use it to run services, I would think basing it off server and perhaps working on some server roles would be good here... Perhaps you meant that this would be good for NPO's users to use as a workstation to talk to their servers? Excellent point. I will remove public services and revise this to focus on workstations for office workstations and laptops. If this is a collection of packages, perhaps it would be as well served by having a group available of these packages? Then anyone could install those from any other Fedora install. Of course they would need to have network then... Another good point. I am not familiar yet with creating collections of packages for a spin, but can research this, thanks. On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 18:52:18 -0400 Corey Leong coreyle...@gmail.com wrote: I refined the the Detailed Description [1] [2] per the questions concerning the Fedora Spin development. Detailed Description - Fedora Netizen is an open source operating system for enabling internet citizens, also known as netizens, to engage online services and communities. Fedora Netizen includes software packages for focusing on civic engagement and internet safety features related to security and privacy. Nonprofit Organizations and public agencies will benefit from Fedora Netizen by switching to free open-source software (FOSS) for running public services on the Internet. Fedora Netizen empowers netizens with their online activism for changing the world with the help of open source software. So this sounds like it might be a server variant instead of a live media? If NPO's are intended to use it to run services, I would think basing it off server and perhaps working on some server roles would be good here... Perhaps you meant that this would be good for NPO's users to use as a workstation to talk to their servers? If this is a collection of packages, perhaps it would be as well served by having a group available of these packages? Then anyone could install those from any other Fedora install. Of course they would need to have network then... I removed the psychology topics since it seemed to be a bit confusing to others which means users would also have been confused about the spin. Regarding the listing of the packages, my intent is to simply make users aware of what open source software is included in the spin by categorizing the packages. I intend to include best practices, how-to's, and other related documentation on a spin related website for the user to configure and customize on their own after reading documentation. ok. snip trademark thing already addressed kevin -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- Corey Leong, M.N.M., M.A.* PO Box 691871 Orlando, FL 32869 email: cle...@fedoraproject.org co...@corey.leong.name web: http://coreyleong.org blog: http://blog.coreyleong.org tweet: http://twitter.com/coreyleong phone: (407) 279-1133 skype: coreyleong -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Netizen Spin
Revised Detailed Description: Fedora Netizen is an open source operating system for enabling internet citizens, also known as netizens, to engage online services and communities. Fedora Netizen includes software packages for focusing on civic engagement and internet safety features related to cybersecurity and online privacy. Nonprofit Organizations and public agencies will benefit from Fedora Netizen by switching to free open source software (FOSS) for running on workstations and laptops. Fedora Netizen empowers netizens with their online activism for changing the world with the help of open source software. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Netizen_Spin https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Netizen_Spin On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Corey Leong cle...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Kevin -- Detailed Description - Fedora Netizen is an open source operating system for enabling internet citizens, also known as netizens, to engage online services and communities. Fedora Netizen includes software packages for focusing on civic engagement and internet safety features related to security and privacy. Nonprofit Organizations and public agencies will benefit from Fedora Netizen by switching to free open-source software (FOSS) for running public services on the Internet. Fedora Netizen empowers netizens with their online activism for changing the world with the help of open source software. So this sounds like it might be a server variant instead of a live media? If NPO's are intended to use it to run services, I would think basing it off server and perhaps working on some server roles would be good here... Perhaps you meant that this would be good for NPO's users to use as a workstation to talk to their servers? Excellent point. I will remove public services and revise this to focus on workstations for office workstations and laptops. If this is a collection of packages, perhaps it would be as well served by having a group available of these packages? Then anyone could install those from any other Fedora install. Of course they would need to have network then... Another good point. I am not familiar yet with creating collections of packages for a spin, but can research this, thanks. On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 18:52:18 -0400 Corey Leong coreyle...@gmail.com wrote: I refined the the Detailed Description [1] [2] per the questions concerning the Fedora Spin development. Detailed Description - Fedora Netizen is an open source operating system for enabling internet citizens, also known as netizens, to engage online services and communities. Fedora Netizen includes software packages for focusing on civic engagement and internet safety features related to security and privacy. Nonprofit Organizations and public agencies will benefit from Fedora Netizen by switching to free open-source software (FOSS) for running public services on the Internet. Fedora Netizen empowers netizens with their online activism for changing the world with the help of open source software. So this sounds like it might be a server variant instead of a live media? If NPO's are intended to use it to run services, I would think basing it off server and perhaps working on some server roles would be good here... Perhaps you meant that this would be good for NPO's users to use as a workstation to talk to their servers? If this is a collection of packages, perhaps it would be as well served by having a group available of these packages? Then anyone could install those from any other Fedora install. Of course they would need to have network then... I removed the psychology topics since it seemed to be a bit confusing to others which means users would also have been confused about the spin. Regarding the listing of the packages, my intent is to simply make users aware of what open source software is included in the spin by categorizing the packages. I intend to include best practices, how-to's, and other related documentation on a spin related website for the user to configure and customize on their own after reading documentation. ok. snip trademark thing already addressed kevin -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- Corey Leong, M.N.M., M.A.* PO Box 691871 Orlando, FL 32869 email: cle...@fedoraproject.org co...@corey.leong.name web: http://coreyleong.org blog: http://blog.coreyleong.org tweet: http://twitter.com/coreyleong phone: (407) 279-1133 skype: coreyleong -- Corey Leong, M.N.M., M.A.* PO Box 691871 Orlando, FL 32869 email: cle...@fedoraproject.org co...@corey.leong.name web: http://coreyleong.org blog: http://blog.coreyleong.org tweet:
Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Netizen Spin
On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 06:52:18PM -0400, Corey Leong wrote: Regarding the trademark concern, a strong mark is actually what the USPTO looks for when a trademark is filed, rather than a weak, generic mark. Netizen is unique, specific, and non-generic so I would not expect any questions from the USPTO when filed. I have experience with filing successful trademarks in the past which is why I chose a stronger mark such as Netizen for passing a USPTO review. Hi Corey. Without comment on the rest of it right now (because I haven't given it more than a cursory glance), the trademark concern in this case isn't a USPTO registration, but rather permission to use the (registered) _Fedora_ mark in the phrase Fedora Netizen. This is part of the process for _all_ spins. You can read more about this policy here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines#New_combinations_of_unmodified_Fedora_software -- Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org Fedora Project Leader -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Netizen Spin
I refined the the Detailed Description [1] [2] per the questions concerning the Fedora Spin development. Detailed Description - Fedora Netizen is an open source operating system for enabling internet citizens, also known as netizens, to engage online services and communities. Fedora Netizen includes software packages for focusing on civic engagement and internet safety features related to security and privacy. Nonprofit Organizations and public agencies will benefit from Fedora Netizen by switching to free open-source software (FOSS) for running public services on the Internet. Fedora Netizen empowers netizens with their online activism for changing the world with the help of open source software. I removed the psychology topics since it seemed to be a bit confusing to others which means users would also have been confused about the spin. Regarding the listing of the packages, my intent is to simply make users aware of what open source software is included in the spin by categorizing the packages. I intend to include best practices, how-to's, and other related documentation on a spin related website for the user to configure and customize on their own after reading documentation. Regarding the trademark concern, a strong mark is actually what the USPTO looks for when a trademark is filed, rather than a weak, generic mark. Netizen is unique, specific, and non-generic so I would not expect any questions from the USPTO when filed. I have experience with filing successful trademarks in the past which is why I chose a stronger mark such as Netizen for passing a USPTO review. I wish to continue the discussion for this spin for F23 approval. If I did not address a question or concern still, please let me know. --Corey References 1. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Netizen_Spin 2. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Netizen_Spin On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: On Mon, 8 Jun 2015 15:18:12 + Debarshi Ray rishi...@lostca.se wrote: On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 10:45:20AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Ideally it would not only install those packages, but configure them to a default to privacy setup. Additionally making some other changes from default desktop settings to do that as well. This is something that could be done in the spin %post or the like (all the other spins setup various config there), or perhaps in a seperate package like a 'netizen-privacy' that makes those changes. But, but ... So, you not only include say tor, but you setup the browser to use it by default, etc. ... then there is the issue of choice. I am paranoid, but I also have strong opinions on how my desktop should look and behave. Will we be offering different variants of the Netizen spin, then? Or have we finally given up on this choice thing? ;) No. I am not sure what point you are trying to make here... can you try and rephrase or clarify? You can still install and configure tor on any install. I think it pretty unlikely that tor setup would be default on all installs. Tor is slow, many people don't want it. Having a spin where it's setup and configured for you could be a useful starting point for some people who desire that. You can always adjust from there. You could take that as a general criticism of most of the non-DE spins out there. They are handy starting points, IMHO. I would be happier if someone did the hard work of making things more secure, in the products and spins that we already have. I don't think our users should have to choose between a more secure and a less secure Fedora. eg., just because someone wants to use Tor, doesn't mean that she should have to install a different flavour of Fedora. She should be able to configure it in any of the flavours or products that she is already using. Sure and they can. There's (as always) many ways to the same goals here. * A spin that is configured so people have an example and starting point. * Better out of the box config on packages (like tor) that make it easier to set them up and configure things to use them. * Better docs on how to do the above. Look at all that choice! kevin -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- Corey Leong, M.N.M., M.A.* PO Box 691871 Orlando, FL 32869 email: co...@coreyleong.org co...@corey.leong.name web: http://coreyleong.org blog: http://blog.coreyleong.org tweet: http://twitter.com/coreyleong phone: (407) 279-1133 skype: coreyleong -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Netizen Spin
Ahh thanks Matthew for the trademark explanation. On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 06:52:18PM -0400, Corey Leong wrote: Regarding the trademark concern, a strong mark is actually what the USPTO looks for when a trademark is filed, rather than a weak, generic mark. Netizen is unique, specific, and non-generic so I would not expect any questions from the USPTO when filed. I have experience with filing successful trademarks in the past which is why I chose a stronger mark such as Netizen for passing a USPTO review. Hi Corey. Without comment on the rest of it right now (because I haven't given it more than a cursory glance), the trademark concern in this case isn't a USPTO registration, but rather permission to use the (registered) _Fedora_ mark in the phrase Fedora Netizen. This is part of the process for _all_ spins. You can read more about this policy here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines#New_combinations_of_unmodified_Fedora_software -- Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org Fedora Project Leader -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- Corey Leong, M.N.M., M.A.* PO Box 691871 Orlando, FL 32869 email: cle...@fedoraproject.org co...@corey.leong.name web: http://coreyleong.org blog: http://blog.coreyleong.org tweet: http://twitter.com/coreyleong phone: (407) 279-1133 skype: coreyleong -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Netizen Spin
On Mon, 8 Jun 2015 15:18:12 + Debarshi Ray rishi...@lostca.se wrote: On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 10:45:20AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Ideally it would not only install those packages, but configure them to a default to privacy setup. Additionally making some other changes from default desktop settings to do that as well. This is something that could be done in the spin %post or the like (all the other spins setup various config there), or perhaps in a seperate package like a 'netizen-privacy' that makes those changes. But, but ... So, you not only include say tor, but you setup the browser to use it by default, etc. ... then there is the issue of choice. I am paranoid, but I also have strong opinions on how my desktop should look and behave. Will we be offering different variants of the Netizen spin, then? Or have we finally given up on this choice thing? ;) No. I am not sure what point you are trying to make here... can you try and rephrase or clarify? You can still install and configure tor on any install. I think it pretty unlikely that tor setup would be default on all installs. Tor is slow, many people don't want it. Having a spin where it's setup and configured for you could be a useful starting point for some people who desire that. You can always adjust from there. You could take that as a general criticism of most of the non-DE spins out there. They are handy starting points, IMHO. I would be happier if someone did the hard work of making things more secure, in the products and spins that we already have. I don't think our users should have to choose between a more secure and a less secure Fedora. eg., just because someone wants to use Tor, doesn't mean that she should have to install a different flavour of Fedora. She should be able to configure it in any of the flavours or products that she is already using. Sure and they can. There's (as always) many ways to the same goals here. * A spin that is configured so people have an example and starting point. * Better out of the box config on packages (like tor) that make it easier to set them up and configure things to use them. * Better docs on how to do the above. Look at all that choice! kevin pgpxuruRmF1Ho.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Netizen Spin
On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 10:45:20AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Ideally it would not only install those packages, but configure them to a default to privacy setup. Additionally making some other changes from default desktop settings to do that as well. This is something that could be done in the spin %post or the like (all the other spins setup various config there), or perhaps in a seperate package like a 'netizen-privacy' that makes those changes. But, but ... So, you not only include say tor, but you setup the browser to use it by default, etc. ... then there is the issue of choice. I am paranoid, but I also have strong opinions on how my desktop should look and behave. Will we be offering different variants of the Netizen spin, then? Or have we finally given up on this choice thing? ;) You could take that as a general criticism of most of the non-DE spins out there. I would be happier if someone did the hard work of making things more secure, in the products and spins that we already have. I don't think our users should have to choose between a more secure and a less secure Fedora. eg., just because someone wants to use Tor, doesn't mean that she should have to install a different flavour of Fedora. She should be able to configure it in any of the flavours or products that she is already using. Other than that, I have found it hard to comprehend the text on the Wiki. It spends a lot of time talking about a paper from 1943 and physiological needs. I don't understand why citizens are considered alternative users of Fedora. Cheers, Debarshi pgpEJiT6i1NZK.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Netizen Spin
On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 10:45:20AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: I'd like to add here that I personally like the idea around this spin, but I would want it to live up to that idea. Just providing a collection of privacy packages installed by default is great, but it's not going to lead to a good experience or meet users expectations. Exactly; this. -- Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org Fedora Project Leader -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Netizen Spin
On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 14:29:25 -0400 Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Wed, Jun 03, 2015 at 02:21:42PM -0400, Miloslav Trmač wrote: So, to be explicit: FESCo hat on The spin description, and spin contents, need to be put in line, so that users installing the spin will get what they will expect to get by reading the description; either by changing the description to more precisely match the limited amount of what the spin currently does, or by changing the scope to match the fairly ambitious description. /FESCo hat on And... hat=Fedora Council I don't want to use a fairly strong, evocative name like Fedora Netizen for something which actually has much less-ambitious contents and scope — no matter the description (which is inevitably seen later). So, I would currently be -1 to a trademark request. /hat I'd like to add here that I personally like the idea around this spin, but I would want it to live up to that idea. Just providing a collection of privacy packages installed by default is great, but it's not going to lead to a good experience or meet users expectations. Ideally it would not only install those packages, but configure them to a default to privacy setup. Additionally making some other changes from default desktop settings to do that as well. This is something that could be done in the spin %post or the like (all the other spins setup various config there), or perhaps in a seperate package like a 'netizen-privacy' that makes those changes. So, you not only include say tor, but you setup the browser to use it by default, etc. kevin pgpx_jbBGrz05.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Netizen Spin
On Wed, Jun 03, 2015 at 02:21:42PM -0400, Miloslav Trmač wrote: So, to be explicit: FESCo hat on The spin description, and spin contents, need to be put in line, so that users installing the spin will get what they will expect to get by reading the description; either by changing the description to more precisely match the limited amount of what the spin currently does, or by changing the scope to match the fairly ambitious description. /FESCo hat on And... hat=Fedora Council I don't want to use a fairly strong, evocative name like Fedora Netizen for something which actually has much less-ambitious contents and scope — no matter the description (which is inevitably seen later). So, I would currently be -1 to a trademark request. /hat -- Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org Fedora Project Leader -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Netizen Spin
And generally I agree with the concern raised on the spins list (https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/spins/2015-May/004222.html and following) that the spin description can, at least by a quick read without reading the actual kickstart, likely to be misunderstood to deliver more than it actually does. For example, just including a tor package by no means guarantees privacy (e.g. it does nothing about all the ways Fedora leaks information about being Fedora). So, to be explicit: FESCo hat on The spin description, and spin contents, need to be put in line, so that users installing the spin will get what they will expect to get by reading the description; either by changing the description to more precisely match the limited amount of what the spin currently does, or by changing the scope to match the fairly ambitious description. /FESCo hat on Also, without wielding the FESCo hat, at least to me that the discussion of philosophy and hierarchies is obscuring rather than clarifying the purpose and scale of the project. Mirek -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Netizen Spin
- Original Message - From: Miloslav Trmač m...@redhat.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 9:41:06 PM Subject: Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Netizen Spin On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 09:50:44AM -0600, Pete Travis wrote: A spin is a big effort with many interoperating packages and coordination with other teams (primarily releng, but you should also seek guidance from QA). It qualifies as a System Wide Change. Especially if this particular spin is asking for significant deviation from our standard config (something I'm unclear about -- see Spins list discussion). In that case, this definitely should be considered as system-wide. On this particular procedural point, I think _all_ spins should be considered system-wide due to the required involvement of rel-eng, council and others; they are by no means “self-contained” in the sense that nobody else needs to help with getting them done. The question whether Spins need to be System-wide or Self-contained Changes has been raised on the last FESCo meeting and the conclusion was to have Spins as Self-contained. However every request for a Spin goes to FESCo for a review. So, FESCo has the opportunity to turn a specific Spin requests to a System-wide change if they consider so. Regards, Jan And generally I agree with the concern raised on the spins list (https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/spins/2015-May/004222.html and following) that the spin description can, at least by a quick read without reading the actual kickstart, likely to be misunderstood to deliver more than it actually does. For example, just including a tor package by no means guarantees privacy (e.g. it does nothing about all the ways Fedora leaks information about being Fedora). Mirek -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- Jan Kuřík Platform Program Manager Red Hat Czech s.r.o., Purkynova 99/71, 612 45 Brno, Czech Republic -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
F23 Self Contained Change: Netizen Spin
I am sorry for the wrong subject of my previous post. This is a Self Contained Change, not a System Wide. Regards, Jan - Original Message - From: Jan Kurik jku...@redhat.com To: devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 2:26:55 PM Subject: F23 System Wide Change: Netizen Spin = Proposed Self Contained Change: Netizen Spin = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Netizen_Spin Change owner(s): Corey Leong cleong at fedoraproject dot org A Fedora Spin for promoting and supporting internet citizenship and citizen engagement. == Detailed Description == Fedora Netizen is an open source operating system for enabling internet citizens to engage with online services and communities. The goal for Netizen is to pattern the operating system's features after Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs which was published in his 1943 paper, A Theory of Human Motivation. As a professor of pyschology, Abraham Maslow theorized that individuals attempt to experience five stages of needs starting with physiological, safety, social, esteem, and then ending with self-actualization. Beginning with the first level of physiological needs, individuals' motivational needs ascend upwards to higher levels of needs in order, however, only after establishing lower levels of needs first before ascending to the next level. The philosophy for Netizen closely relates to Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs by establishing three primary software package levels in a hierarchical model. The first and lowest software package level addresses the need for Netizen Privacy in the areas of personal privacy, informational privacy, and communication privacy. After Netizen Privacy, the second software package level addresses the need for Netizen Security in the areas of data security, local security, and network security. After Netizen Security, the third software package level addresses the need for Netizen Engagement in the areas of publishing, education, and social engagement. Future Netizen software package levels will address analytics, awareness, design, develop, and others. == Scope == A Netizen theme is the final requirement to be developed per marketing department support of a look and feel in order to replace the current default theme. This is an isolated change. * Other developers: N/A (not a System Wide Change) * Release engineering: Add spin to spin-kickstarts, ensure spin has been tested, and release with rest of spins * Policies and guidelines: N/A (not a System Wide Change) -- Jan Kuřík ___ devel-announce mailing list devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel-announce -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
F23 Self Contained Change: Netizen Spin
I am sorry for the wrong subject of my previous post. This is a Self Contained Change, not a System Wide. Regards, Jan - Original Message - From: Jan Kurik jku...@redhat.com To: devel-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 2:26:55 PM Subject: F23 System Wide Change: Netizen Spin = Proposed Self Contained Change: Netizen Spin = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Netizen_Spin Change owner(s): Corey Leong cleong at fedoraproject dot org A Fedora Spin for promoting and supporting internet citizenship and citizen engagement. == Detailed Description == Fedora Netizen is an open source operating system for enabling internet citizens to engage with online services and communities. The goal for Netizen is to pattern the operating system's features after Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs which was published in his 1943 paper, A Theory of Human Motivation. As a professor of pyschology, Abraham Maslow theorized that individuals attempt to experience five stages of needs starting with physiological, safety, social, esteem, and then ending with self-actualization. Beginning with the first level of physiological needs, individuals' motivational needs ascend upwards to higher levels of needs in order, however, only after establishing lower levels of needs first before ascending to the next level. The philosophy for Netizen closely relates to Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs by establishing three primary software package levels in a hierarchical model. The first and lowest software package level addresses the need for Netizen Privacy in the areas of personal privacy, informational privacy, and communication privacy. After Netizen Privacy, the second software package level addresses the need for Netizen Security in the areas of data security, local security, and network security. After Netizen Security, the third software package level addresses the need for Netizen Engagement in the areas of publishing, education, and social engagement. Future Netizen software package levels will address analytics, awareness, design, develop, and others. == Scope == A Netizen theme is the final requirement to be developed per marketing department support of a look and feel in order to replace the current default theme. This is an isolated change. * Other developers: N/A (not a System Wide Change) * Release engineering: Add spin to spin-kickstarts, ensure spin has been tested, and release with rest of spins * Policies and guidelines: N/A (not a System Wide Change) -- Jan Kuřík ___ devel-announce mailing list devel-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel-announce
Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Netizen Spin
On May 18, 2015 7:34 AM, Jan Kurik jku...@redhat.com wrote: I am sorry for the wrong subject of my previous post. This is a Self Contained Change, not a System Wide. Regards, Jan - Original Message - From: Jan Kurik jku...@redhat.com To: devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 2:26:55 PM Subject: F23 System Wide Change: Netizen Spin = Proposed Self Contained Change: Netizen Spin = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Netizen_Spin Change owner(s): Corey Leong cleong at fedoraproject dot org A Fedora Spin for promoting and supporting internet citizenship and citizen engagement. == Detailed Description == Fedora Netizen is an open source operating system for enabling internet citizens to engage with online services and communities. The goal for Netizen is to pattern the operating system's features after Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs which was published in his 1943 paper, A Theory of Human Motivation. As a professor of pyschology, Abraham Maslow theorized that individuals attempt to experience five stages of needs starting with physiological, safety, social, esteem, and then ending with self-actualization. Beginning with the first level of physiological needs, individuals' motivational needs ascend upwards to higher levels of needs in order, however, only after establishing lower levels of needs first before ascending to the next level. The philosophy for Netizen closely relates to Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs by establishing three primary software package levels in a hierarchical model. The first and lowest software package level addresses the need for Netizen Privacy in the areas of personal privacy, informational privacy, and communication privacy. After Netizen Privacy, the second software package level addresses the need for Netizen Security in the areas of data security, local security, and network security. After Netizen Security, the third software package level addresses the need for Netizen Engagement in the areas of publishing, education, and social engagement. Future Netizen software package levels will address analytics, awareness, design, develop, and others. == Scope == A Netizen theme is the final requirement to be developed per marketing department support of a look and feel in order to replace the current default theme. This is an isolated change. * Other developers: N/A (not a System Wide Change) * Release engineering: Add spin to spin-kickstarts, ensure spin has been tested, and release with rest of spins * Policies and guidelines: N/A (not a System Wide Change) -- Jan Kuřík ___ A spin is a big effort with many interoperating packages and coordination with other teams (primarily releng, but you should also seek guidance from QA). It qualifies as a System Wide Change. --Pete -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Netizen Spin
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 09:50:44AM -0600, Pete Travis wrote: A spin is a big effort with many interoperating packages and coordination with other teams (primarily releng, but you should also seek guidance from QA). It qualifies as a System Wide Change. Especially if this particular spin is asking for significant deviation from our standard config (something I'm unclear about -- see Spins list discussion). In that case, this definitely should be considered as system-wide. -- Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org Fedora Project Leader -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Netizen Spin
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 09:50:44AM -0600, Pete Travis wrote: A spin is a big effort with many interoperating packages and coordination with other teams (primarily releng, but you should also seek guidance from QA). It qualifies as a System Wide Change. Especially if this particular spin is asking for significant deviation from our standard config (something I'm unclear about -- see Spins list discussion). In that case, this definitely should be considered as system-wide. On this particular procedural point, I think _all_ spins should be considered system-wide due to the required involvement of rel-eng, council and others; they are by no means “self-contained” in the sense that nobody else needs to help with getting them done. And generally I agree with the concern raised on the spins list (https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/spins/2015-May/004222.html and following) that the spin description can, at least by a quick read without reading the actual kickstart, likely to be misunderstood to deliver more than it actually does. For example, just including a tor package by no means guarantees privacy (e.g. it does nothing about all the ways Fedora leaks information about being Fedora). Mirek -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
