Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-04-02 Thread Alexander Bokovoy
On to, 01 huhti 2021, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 01:50:40PM +0300, Alexander Bokovoy wrote: This split of fields in FreeIPA Web UI exists since FreeIPA 4.0 which was part of early RHEL 7 deliveries (the code for separate OTP field was added in 2014). There is nothing specific

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-04-01 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 01:50:40PM +0300, Alexander Bokovoy wrote: > > This split of fields in FreeIPA Web UI exists since FreeIPA 4.0 which > was part of early RHEL 7 deliveries (the code for separate OTP field was > added in 2014). > > There is nothing specific about it -- Noggin developers

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-04-01 Thread Alexander Bokovoy
On ti, 30 maalis 2021, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 09:30:33AM +0300, Alexander Bokovoy wrote: Could you please explain where you want to do it? Noggin (Fedora Accounts app) does handle the login itself, not FreeIPA. In the context of what Fedora contributors interact with,

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-03-30 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 09:30:33AM +0300, Alexander Bokovoy wrote: > > Could you please explain where you want to do it? Noggin (Fedora > Accounts app) does handle the login itself, not FreeIPA. In the context > of what Fedora contributors interact with, FreeIPA is only directly > exposed via

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-03-30 Thread Tomasz Torcz
Dnia Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 10:56:32AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi napisał(a): > On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 11:08:19AM +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > > > > > > Notification via sms is... not too secure. ;( > > > https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3g8wb/hacker-got-my-texts-16-dollars-sakari-netnumber > > > > I

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-03-30 Thread Alexander Bokovoy
On ma, 29 maalis 2021, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 11:02:58PM +0100, Björn Persson wrote: Kevin Fenzi wrote: > I'd like us to add security query/respond pairs. Those can very easily weaken security, as the answers are often public and easy for an attacker to look up, especially

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-03-29 Thread Brandon Nielsen
On 3/29/21 6:02 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 11:02:58PM +0100, Björn Persson wrote: Kevin Fenzi wrote: I'd like us to add security query/respond pairs. Those can very easily weaken security, as the answers are often public and easy for an attacker to look up, especially

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-03-29 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 11:02:58PM +0100, Björn Persson wrote: > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > I'd like us to add security query/respond pairs. > > Those can very easily weaken security, as the answers are often public > and easy for an attacker to look up, especially when there are only a > few

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-03-28 Thread Björn Persson
stan via devel wrote: > e.g. What is your favorite food? Jamaica. Acceptable for human-to-human interaction, but falls quickly to a dictionary attack if verification is automated. > or What was your team's name in high school? 0126672651361 43 bits of entropy if all the digits are random;

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-03-28 Thread stan via devel
On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 23:02:58 +0100 Björn Persson wrote: > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > I'd like us to add security query/respond pairs. > There's a limited supply of such personal secrets that I can be sure > I'll remember, so I can't do that for too many sites. It also requires > a not too public

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-03-27 Thread Björn Persson
Kevin Fenzi wrote: > I'd like us to add security query/respond pairs. Those can very easily weaken security, as the answers are often public and easy for an attacker to look up, especially when there are only a few predefined questions to choose from. If I can enter my own question, then I can

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-03-27 Thread Björn Persson
Tomasz Torcz wrote: > I meant push notification, when the message is sent through secure channel > to your smart phone and you get popup asking for authorization. The Swedish BankID cartel did that in their proprietary app, and thus enabled an outbreak of fraud. Here's how it works: 1: The

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-03-27 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 11:08:19AM +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > > > > Notification via sms is... not too secure. ;( > > https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3g8wb/hacker-got-my-texts-16-dollars-sakari-netnumber > > I didn't write SMS. SMS is terrible, it's the worst 2F channel nowadays. > I meant

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-03-27 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 12:38:45AM +0100, Björn Persson wrote: > Christopher wrote: > > * Unlike many other implementations, there is no backup code option > > (GitHub, Google, others, provide 10 one-time use backup codes you can > > use in case you don't have access to your authenticator app;

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-03-27 Thread Tomasz Torcz
Dnia Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 01:47:08PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi napisał(a): > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 09:34:49PM +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > > Dnia Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 03:26:53PM -0500, Brandon Nielsen napisał(a): > > > On 3/26/21 3:24 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 02:48:39PM

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-03-26 Thread Björn Persson
Christopher wrote: > * Unlike many other implementations, there is no backup code option > (GitHub, Google, others, provide 10 one-time use backup codes you can > use in case you don't have access to your authenticator app; these can > be regenerated after a successful login). It seems that the

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-03-26 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 at 16:47, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 09:34:49PM +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > > Dnia Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 03:26:53PM -0500, Brandon Nielsen napisał(a): > > > On 3/26/21 3:24 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 02:48:39PM -0400,

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-03-26 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 09:34:49PM +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > Dnia Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 03:26:53PM -0500, Brandon Nielsen napisał(a): > > On 3/26/21 3:24 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 02:48:39PM -0400, Christopher wrote: > > [Snip] > > > > * In many places, including

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-03-26 Thread Brandon Nielsen
On 3/26/21 3:36 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 03:26:53PM -0500, Brandon Nielsen wrote: This is pretty common in my experience; it seems like password managers should support this pattern. I can't say I have ever appended an OTP to a regular password, and I use 2FA

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-03-26 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 04:24:29PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 02:48:39PM -0400, Christopher wrote: > > The new accounts site is awesome. But, the 2FA system does seem to be > > a bit annoying. > > Can you file this as a ticket at >

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-03-26 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 at 16:27, Brandon Nielsen wrote: > On 3/26/21 3:24 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 02:48:39PM -0400, Christopher wrote: > [Snip] > >> * In many places, including accounts.fedoraproject.org, in order to > >> log in, you have to append the OTP to your

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-03-26 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 03:26:53PM -0500, Brandon Nielsen wrote: > >This is pretty common in my experience; it seems like password managers > >should support this pattern. > > I can't say I have ever appended an OTP to a regular password, and I > use 2FA everywhere I can. Maybe more so on the

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-03-26 Thread Tomasz Torcz
Dnia Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 03:26:53PM -0500, Brandon Nielsen napisał(a): > On 3/26/21 3:24 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 02:48:39PM -0400, Christopher wrote: > [Snip] > > > * In many places, including accounts.fedoraproject.org, in order to > > > log in, you have to append

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-03-26 Thread Brandon Nielsen
On 3/26/21 3:24 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 02:48:39PM -0400, Christopher wrote: [Snip] * In many places, including accounts.fedoraproject.org, in order to log in, you have to append the OTP to your password, so it doesn't really play nice with password managers. This

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-03-26 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 02:48:39PM -0400, Christopher wrote: > The new accounts site is awesome. But, the 2FA system does seem to be > a bit annoying. Can you file this as a ticket at https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issues? I got bitten by basically all the same things, and I think we can

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-03-26 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 03:53:39PM +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: > I have just tried https://accounts.fedoraproject.org/ and it is > certainly welcome refresh. > > Congrats and thx to all involved. +100! Zbyszek ___ devel mailing list --

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-03-26 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi All, On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 2:15 PM Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 10:55:40PM +, Aoife Moloney wrote: > > I am beyond pleased to announce that the Fedora Accounts Team has reached > > the point in our deployment that critical path services have been > > configured to

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-03-26 Thread Christopher
The new accounts site is awesome. But, the 2FA system does seem to be a bit annoying. * It can't be disabled, so you can't try it out and later change your mind. * Unlike many other implementations, there is no backup code option (GitHub, Google, others, provide 10 one-time use backup codes you

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-03-26 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 10:55:40PM +, Aoife Moloney wrote: > I am beyond pleased to announce that the Fedora Accounts Team has reached > the point in our deployment that critical path services have been > configured to the new solution and end user impact should be little to > none, so we are

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-03-26 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
On Fri, 2021-03-26 at 09:23 -0700, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > On Thu, 2021-03-25 at 22:55 +, Aoife Moloney wrote: > > Evening/Morning all, > > > > I am beyond pleased to announce that the Fedora Accounts Team has > > reached the point in our deployment that critical path services have >

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-03-26 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
On Thu, 2021-03-25 at 22:55 +, Aoife Moloney wrote: > Evening/Morning all, > > I am beyond pleased to announce that the Fedora Accounts Team has > reached the point in our deployment that critical path services have > been configured to the new solution and end user impact should be > little

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-03-26 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 10:55:40PM +, Aoife Moloney wrote: > Evening/Morning all, > > I am beyond pleased to announce that the Fedora Accounts Team has reached > the point in our deployment that critical path services have been > configured to the new solution and end user impact should be

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-03-26 Thread Gwyn Ciesla via devel
Huge, huge thanks to everyone who worked on this; it was well communicated, surprisingly non-disruptive given the scope and impact, and it works! --  Gwyn Ciesla she/her/hers   in your fear, seek only peace  in your fear, seek only love -d. bowie

Re: Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-03-26 Thread Vít Ondruch
I have just tried https://accounts.fedoraproject.org/ and it is certainly welcome refresh. Congrats and thx to all involved. Vít Dne 25. 03. 21 v 23:55 Aoife Moloney napsal(a): Evening/Morning all, I am beyond pleased to announce that the Fedora Accounts Team has reached the point in our

Fedora Account Migration & Production Deployment Update: COMPLETE!

2021-03-26 Thread Aoife Moloney
Evening/Morning all, I am beyond pleased to announce that the Fedora Accounts Team has reached the point in our deployment that critical path services have been configured to the new solution and end user impact should be little to none, so we are now officially out of outage! For a while we