Re: Getting security updates out to users sooner

2020-04-18 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 1:31 pm, John M. Harris Jr wrote: Most likely, multi-platform. There have been a few so big the NSA stepped in and started warning people they needed to update. These are both use-after-free vulnerabilities. The vulnerability is probably cross-platform, but exploits

Re: Getting security updates out to users sooner

2020-04-18 Thread Björn Persson
Demi M. Obenour wrote: > I have virtually never noticed a regression, so I consider getting a security > update out quickly to be much more important. Debian is good at pushing out important security fixes quickly – and it's fairly common to see bug fixes issued because a security fix caused a

Re: Getting security updates out to users sooner

2020-04-17 Thread Justin Forbes
On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 5:13 PM Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > > On 4/16/20 11:42 PM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 06:55:10 +0200, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > >> For kernel updates this is probably not a good idea. Given that updates > >> potentially introduce regressions,

Re: Getting security updates out to users sooner

2020-04-17 Thread Justin Forbes
On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 1:43 AM Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 06:55:10 +0200, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > > For kernel updates this is probably not a good idea. Given that updates > > potentially introduce regressions, being able to distinguish updates with > > known CVEs that

Re: Getting security updates out to users sooner

2020-04-17 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
On 4/16/20 11:42 PM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 06:55:10 +0200, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: For kernel updates this is probably not a good idea. Given that updates potentially introduce regressions, being able to distinguish updates with known CVEs that we do need to roll out

Re: Getting security updates out to users sooner

2020-04-17 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, April 17, 2020 9:32:19 AM MST Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 12:11 pm, Gerald Henriksen > wrote: > > > At least a recent Firefox update was to fix 2 issues that were > > reported as being already exploited in the real world. > > > Probably on Windows. Most

Re: Getting security updates out to users sooner

2020-04-17 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 01:01:52AM -, Demi M. Obenour wrote: > How can this be accomplished? I know that substantial releng and QA effort > will be needed, along with close coordination with package maintainers and > upstream developers. That said, I have virtually never noticed a >

Re: Getting security updates out to users sooner

2020-04-17 Thread Justin Forbes
On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:56 PM Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > > Apr 16, 2020 18:02:33 Demi M. Obenour : > > > > > Finally, some packages should have all updates considered as security > > updates. This includes anything based on a web browser (Firefox, > > Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, Chromium,

Re: Getting security updates out to users sooner

2020-04-17 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 12:11 pm, Gerald Henriksen wrote: At least a recent Firefox update was to fix 2 issues that were reported as being already exploited in the real world. Probably on Windows. ___ devel mailing list --

Re: Getting security updates out to users sooner

2020-04-17 Thread Gerald Henriksen
On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 18:14:29 -0700, you wrote: >On Fri, 2020-04-17 at 01:01 +, Demi M. Obenour wrote: >> Currently, security updates can take days to get to users. In >> particular, Firefox and Thunderbird often take a day or more, even >> though virtually every single update contains

Re: Getting security updates out to users sooner

2020-04-17 Thread Petr Pisar
On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 01:01:52AM -, Demi M. Obenour wrote: > We need to ensure that security updates reach stable within hours of an > upstream advisory. Technically, we can create a critical security repository that will be composed and published on every new package build. But since rsync

Re: Getting security updates out to users sooner

2020-04-17 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 06:55:10 +0200, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > For kernel updates this is probably not a good idea. Given that updates > potentially introduce regressions, being able to distinguish updates with > known CVEs that we do need to roll out immediately, versus other updates we >

Re: Getting security updates out to users sooner

2020-04-16 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
Apr 16, 2020 18:02:33 Demi M. Obenour : > > Finally, some packages should have all updates considered as security > updates. This includes anything based on a web browser (Firefox, Thunderbird, > SeaMonkey, Chromium, webkit2gtk, etc), as well the Linux kernel itself. > Virtually every update

Re: Getting security updates out to users sooner

2020-04-16 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 1:01 am, Demi M. Obenour wrote: Finally, some packages should have all updates considered as security updates. This includes anything based on a web browser (Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, Chromium, webkit2gtk, etc), as well the Linux kernel itself. Virtually every

Re: Getting security updates out to users sooner

2020-04-16 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2020-04-17 at 01:01 +, Demi M. Obenour wrote: > Currently, security updates can take days to get to users. In > particular, Firefox and Thunderbird often take a day or more, even > though virtually every single update contains security fixes. > > We need to ensure that security

Getting security updates out to users sooner

2020-04-16 Thread Demi M. Obenour
Currently, security updates can take days to get to users. In particular, Firefox and Thunderbird often take a day or more, even though virtually every single update contains security fixes. We need to ensure that security updates reach stable within hours of an upstream advisory. Ideally,

Getting security updates out to users sooner

2020-04-16 Thread Demi M. Obenour
Currently, security updates can take days to get to users. In particular, Firefox and Thunderbird often take a day or more, even though virtually every single update contains security fixes. We need to ensure that security updates reach stable within hours of an upstream advisory. Ideally,