Re: How about firefox 3.6 in Fedora 12 ?
On Mon, 1 Feb 2010, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:30 AM, M A Young m.a.yo...@durham.ac.uk wrote: That doesn't work as nicely as perhaps it should because yum downgrade firefox only downgrades firefox and not xulrunner, and as a result the downgraded firefox refuses to run. You need at least yum downgrade firefox xulrunner yum history list yum history undo number That requires you to remember when you did the update, or do more digging to identify the relevant update batch. I presume it will work, but it isn't quite as simple as you imply. Michael Young -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How about firefox 3.6 in Fedora 12 ?
On 30 January 2010 22:57, Mike Chambers m...@miketc.net wrote: On Sat, 2010-01-30 at 22:37 +, Mat Booth wrote: Maybe but I agree with Braden: I don't think it's worth it. Seems like a lot of extra work for not a lot of gain. Running a fully updated system, I upgraded to firefox-3.6 in rawhide today, and it only updated 3 (firefox, xulrunner, and some other that I don't recall) and everything working just fine. For now... Really, you should be using Remi's repository. He has a build of 3.6 for F12: http://rpms.famillecollet.com/fedora/12/remi/x86_64/repoview/firefox.html But you mistook my comment. That comment was in reference to maintaining two versions of xulrunner. -- Mat Booth -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How about firefox 3.6 in Fedora 12 ?
On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 12:08 +, M A Young wrote: On Mon, 1 Feb 2010, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:30 AM, M A Young m.a.yo...@durham.ac.uk wrote: That doesn't work as nicely as perhaps it should because yum downgrade firefox only downgrades firefox and not xulrunner, and as a result the downgraded firefox refuses to run. You need at least yum downgrade firefox xulrunner yum history list yum history undo number That requires you to remember when you did the update, or do more digging to identify the relevant update batch. I presume it will work, but it isn't quite as simple as you imply. yum history list firefox -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How about firefox 3.6 in Fedora 12 ?
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Mat Booth fed...@matbooth.co.uk wrote: On 30 January 2010 22:57, Mike Chambers m...@miketc.net wrote: On Sat, 2010-01-30 at 22:37 +, Mat Booth wrote: Maybe but I agree with Braden: I don't think it's worth it. Seems like a lot of extra work for not a lot of gain. Running a fully updated system, I upgraded to firefox-3.6 in rawhide today, and it only updated 3 (firefox, xulrunner, and some other that I don't recall) and everything working just fine. For now... Really, you should be using Remi's repository. He has a build of 3.6 for F12: http://rpms.famillecollet.com/fedora/12/remi/x86_64/repoview/firefox.html But you mistook my comment. That comment was in reference to maintaining two versions of xulrunner. These RPMS still appear to be using an internal copy of libogg and libtheora which is currently identical to upstream code which is already shipped in Fedora. (There are currently some patches for libvorbis shipped in Mozilla which are not upstream, but they introduce C99-isms (libvorbis is c90 clean for embedded platforms) and thus can't be directly applied upstream; I'm looking into that now. The other media stuff is probably too diverged from its upstreams to worry about right now.) -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How about firefox 3.6 in Fedora 12 ?
On 1 February 2010 19:23, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Mat Booth fed...@matbooth.co.uk wrote: On 30 January 2010 22:57, Mike Chambers m...@miketc.net wrote: On Sat, 2010-01-30 at 22:37 +, Mat Booth wrote: Maybe but I agree with Braden: I don't think it's worth it. Seems like a lot of extra work for not a lot of gain. Running a fully updated system, I upgraded to firefox-3.6 in rawhide today, and it only updated 3 (firefox, xulrunner, and some other that I don't recall) and everything working just fine. For now... Really, you should be using Remi's repository. He has a build of 3.6 for F12: http://rpms.famillecollet.com/fedora/12/remi/x86_64/repoview/firefox.html But you mistook my comment. That comment was in reference to maintaining two versions of xulrunner. These RPMS still appear to be using an internal copy of libogg and libtheora which is currently identical to upstream code which is already shipped in Fedora. Well, you either want Firefox 3.6 or you don't. I'm not advocating using a package that's not shipped by the distro, just pointing out where the best (IMHO) place to get it from is, if you wanted it. -- Mat Booth -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How about firefox 3.6 in Fedora 12 ?
Wes Shull wrote: yum --enablerepo=rawhide update firefox NEVER do that!!! You probably have way more Rawhide packages than just Firefox now. At least xulrunner and all the stuff using its unstable API, probably also sqlite and a lot more stuff. Each time your package depends on a newer library with a new ABI, you end up dragging in the new library, which in turn drags in rebuilt versions of ALL programs using that library! And of course this continues in a transitive chain! That quickly sums up to half of the distro leaving you with an unsupportable mix of F12 and Rawhide. And even if it worked for you, it is a big mistake to recommend this to other users who do not understand the implications. Please NEVER recommend this to another user again!!! (And I'd also STRONGLY recommend against doing that again yourself.) The ONLY safe use of --enablerepo=rawhide is a full yum --enablerepo=rawhide update, at which point you're running Rawhide with all its warts, something I'd NOT recommend to an average user. Selective upgrades from Rawhide are NOT SUPPORTED and will in many cases NOT work as expected due to dependencies and reverse dependencies. (IMHO, it might make sense for yum to reject --enablerepo=rawhide for anything other than a full upgrade.) This is what repositories like Remi's are for! Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How about firefox 3.6 in Fedora 12 ?
Mail Lists wrote: I think we need to use sun java as green tea is not yet on new api anyway is it? The IcedTea plugin is in Fedora (as java-1.6.0-openjdk-plugin). Fedora does not and will not ship proprietary software such as the Sun Java plugin (from the non-open JDK or JRE). A new version of IcedTea with a new plugin which supports Firefox 3.6 is being imported into Rawhide. This would have to be backported if Firefox 3.6 were to be pushed to F12. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How about firefox 3.6 in Fedora 12 ?
Frank Murphy wrote: You can update to 3.6 from Rawhide, then disable rawhide again. Which is what I have done, no problems yet. NEVER do that!!! You probably have way more Rawhide packages than just Firefox now. At least xulrunner and all the stuff using its unstable API, probably also sqlite and a lot more stuff. Each time your package depends on a newer library with a new ABI, you end up dragging in the new library, which in turn drags in rebuilt versions of ALL programs using that library! And of course this continues in a transitive chain! That quickly sums up to half of the distro leaving you with an unsupportable mix of F12 and Rawhide. And even if it worked for you, it is a big mistake to recommend this to other users who do not understand the implications. Please NEVER recommend this to another user again!!! (And I'd also STRONGLY recommend against doing that again yourself.) The ONLY safe use of --enablerepo=rawhide is a full yum --enablerepo=rawhide update, at which point you're running Rawhide with all its warts, something I'd NOT recommend to an average user. Selective upgrades from Rawhide are NOT SUPPORTED and will in many cases NOT work as expected due to dependencies and reverse dependencies. (IMHO, it might make sense for yum to reject --enablerepo=rawhide for anything other than a full upgrade.) This is what repositories like Remi's are for! Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How about firefox 3.6 in Fedora 12 ?
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.atwrote: Wes Shull wrote: yum --enablerepo=rawhide update firefox NEVER do that!!! If you'd taken half a minute to check, you would have seen that it sucks in a grand total of sqlite and xulrunner. Yeehaw. If anything, you should be chastising me for making such an obvious suggestion. This is the -devel list, after all. I probably should have assumed that in addition to being able to make a decision about what to install on their system and from where, members of this list would know they could potentially use rawhide builds on a non-rawhide install. I will grant you that back (f11? f10?) before 3.5 hit, grabbing it from rawhide would drag in a giant quagmire. But it's pretty easy to hit 'n' when yum asks if you want to update half your system. I'm sure Remi's a helpful and trustworthy guy, but I trust a build out of the fedora buildsystem proper more. --wes -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How about firefox 3.6 in Fedora 12 ?
On 31 January 2010 08:14, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Christopher Brown wrote: This is because 3.5.7 doesn't affect us. Stability issue is for Windows people and update notification is patched out for obvious reasons. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL%20status1.9.1%3A.7-fixed What about the NTLM issue? That looks like it could affect Fedora users if they are behind a Window$ Vi$ta or 7 proxy. That looks pretty corner-case to me. -- Christopher Brown -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How about firefox 3.6 in Fedora 12 ?
On Sun, 31 Jan 2010, Wes Shull wrote: On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Wes Shull wrote: yum --enablerepo=rawhide update firefox NEVER do that!!! If you'd taken half a minute to check, you would have seen that it sucks in a grand total of sqlite and xulrunner. Yeehaw. At the moment it does for you, though more updates may be required depending on what you have installed, but you also have to think longer term, because the latest Fedora release and rawhide will tend to move apart as time goes on, so when the first Fedora 3.6 security update comes along you may find yourself having to download most of rawhide to update it. I wouldn't go as far as saying that you should never install rawhide packages on a Fedora system, but you have to be prepared to cope with the difficulties that might result as time goes on, so I wouldn't recommend it unless you have the skill to cope with such difficulties. Personally I have a couple of Fedora 12 installs that I put the rawhide Firefox 3.6 on, but those are installs that I will probably switch to rawhide at some point anyway. Michael Young-- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How about firefox 3.6 in Fedora 12 ?
On 31/01/10 12:59, M A Young wrote: --snipped-- If you'd taken half a minute to check, you would have seen that it sucks in a grand total of sqlite and xulrunner. Yeehaw. At the moment it does for you, though more updates may be required depending on what you have installed, but you also have to think longer term, because the latest Fedora release and rawhide will tend to move apart as time goes on, so when the first Fedora 3.6 security update comes along you may find yourself having to download most of rawhide to update it. --snipped-- True, but if necessary. You can always yum downgrade x Especially if you just need to check out package x. -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How about firefox 3.6 in Fedora 12 ?
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 7:07 AM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: True, but if necessary. You can always yum downgrade x Especially if you just need to check out package x. In such scenarios you might find the ``yum history'' command useful since it can easily undo upgrades that include dependencies. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How about firefox 3.6 in Fedora 12 ?
So it doesn't have an official one? On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.atwrote: Liu Yu Fei Eric wrote: I noticed firefox was stuck on 3.5.6 for a rather long time. What about 3.5.7 and the recently 3.6? They are even not in koji. http://blog.famillecollet.com/post/2010/01/22/Firefox-3.6-en Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How about firefox 3.6 in Fedora 12 ?
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 1:42 AM, Liu Yu Fei Eric hoveringnowi...@gmail.comwrote: So it doesn't have an official one? I've been running the f13 build out of rawhide for a week now, and it's worked fine for me... not sure about Java though. yum --enablerepo=rawhide update firefox --wes (f12-x86_64) -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How about firefox 3.6 in Fedora 12 ?
On Sat, 30 Jan 2010, Wes Shull wrote: On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 1:42 AM, Liu Yu Fei Eric hoveringnowi...@gmail.com wrote: So it doesn't have an official one? I've been running the f13 build out of rawhide for a week now, and it's worked fine for me... not sure about Java though. yum --enablerepo=rawhide update firefox It looks like some upstream support in OpenJDK + IcedTea http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/distro-pkg-dev/2010-January/008120.html went live 3 days ago, but it doesn't look like there have been any Fedora builds based on it yet. I would suggest a slight word of caution about mixing Fedora 12 and rawhide packages. At the moment they still seem fairly compatible, but if something major changes you might find yourself having to update most of your OS to rawhide to satisfy all the dependencies. Michael Young-- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How about firefox 3.6 in Fedora 12 ?
On Sat, 2010-01-30 at 11:36 -0600, Rex Dieter wrote: Braden McDaniel wrote: On Sat, 2010-01-30 at 14:48 +0800, Liu Yu Fei Eric wrote: Hi, I noticed firefox was stuck on 3.5.6 for a rather long time. What about 3.5.7 and the recently 3.6? They are even not in koji. xulrunner-1.9.2 breaks API compatibility with 1.9.1, so downstream packages would need patching for this to happen. Even minor releases generally/often break ABI, requiring lots of dependent package rebuilds... or is this case even worse? I said API, and that's what I meant. At the very least, there have been subtle changes to the plug-in API that can cause compile failures. -- Braden McDaniel bra...@endoframe.com -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How about firefox 3.6 in Fedora 12 ?
On 30/01/10 08:42, Liu Yu Fei Eric wrote: So it doesn't have an official one? Not in F12, but as has been said. You can update to 3.6 from Rawhide, then disable rawhide again. Which is what I have done, no problems yet. -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How about firefox 3.6 in Fedora 12 ?
On 30 January 2010 19:00, Mail Lists li...@sapience.com wrote: On 01/30/2010 01:53 PM, Braden McDaniel wrote: On Sat, 2010-01-30 at 11:36 -0600, Rex Dieter wrote: Braden McDaniel wrote: On Sat, 2010-01-30 at 14:48 +0800, Liu Yu Fei Eric wrote: Hi, I noticed firefox was stuck on 3.5.6 for a rather long time. What about 3.5.7 and the recently 3.6? They are even not in koji. xulrunner-1.9.2 breaks API compatibility with 1.9.1, so downstream packages would need patching for this to happen. Even minor releases generally/often break ABI, requiring lots of dependent package rebuilds... or is this case even worse? I said API, and that's what I meant. At the very least, there have been subtle changes to the plug-in API that can cause compile failures. And how many plugins are packaged by fedora ? Any? I'd guess all the plugin dev's at the moz website state clearly which vers of filrefox is supported - and most want their plugins to work with current release - 3.6. So that seems like a bad reason not to update. Well there's the Java and Totem plugins at least, but there's a whole slew of apps in Fedora that build against xulrunner: repoquery --whatrequires --alldeps xulrunner\* -- Mat Booth -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How about firefox 3.6 in Fedora 12 ?
On 01/30/2010 02:54 PM, Mat Booth wrote: Well there's the Java and Totem plugins at least, but there's a whole slew of apps in Fedora that build against xulrunner: I think we need to use sun java as green tea is not yet on new api anyway is it? repoquery --whatrequires --alldeps xulrunner\* Cant both xulrunners be there? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How about firefox 3.6 in Fedora 12 ?
On 30 January 2010 20:04, Mail Lists li...@sapience.com wrote: On 01/30/2010 02:54 PM, Mat Booth wrote: Well there's the Java and Totem plugins at least, but there's a whole slew of apps in Fedora that build against xulrunner: I think we need to use sun java as green tea is not yet on new api anyway is it? repoquery --whatrequires --alldeps xulrunner\* Cant both xulrunners be there? Maybe but I agree with Braden: I don't think it's worth it. Seems like a lot of extra work for not a lot of gain. -- Mat Booth -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How about firefox 3.6 in Fedora 12 ?
On 01/30/2010 05:37 PM, Mat Booth wrote: Maybe but I agree with Braden: I don't think it's worth it. Seems like a lot of extra work for not a lot of gain. I much prefer chrome and use it preferentially now anyway ... I'd prefer we put any broswer related energy into chromium - it is already far superior to firefox and I'd be shocked if its not the dominant browser across all platforms in time. Assuming some cross polination of resources -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
How about firefox 3.6 in Fedora 12 ?
Hi, I noticed firefox was stuck on 3.5.6 for a rather long time. What about 3.5.7 and the recently 3.6? They are even not in koji. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How about firefox 3.6 in Fedora 12 ?
Liu Yu Fei Eric wrote: I noticed firefox was stuck on 3.5.6 for a rather long time. What about 3.5.7 and the recently 3.6? They are even not in koji. http://blog.famillecollet.com/post/2010/01/22/Firefox-3.6-en Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
