Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-27 Thread Allann Jones
The device can be automatically mounted. It can be checked by its label that is the original label released with the distro. I think that should exists a relation between packages and the repositories on a cached manner. If the repository is on a umounted device (USB, CD/DVD-ROM) and is not possib

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/10/2010 05:43 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > Neither is fixing the RFE for PK, as it's notabug. > But I firmly believe > creting a text file, is the easier\maybe safer challenge. > PackageKit developers disagree with you. Since they are the ones doing the work involved, their opinion has more

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Frank Murphy
On 10/05/10 13:10, Rahul Sundaram wrote: --snip-- > > DVD repo is clearly not part of fedora-release at the moment. We are > talking about the current reality. If you file a RFE and get > fedora-release updated, then it will become easier but that is not the > case now. > > Rahul Neither is

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/10/2010 05:36 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 10/05/10 13:02, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > --snipp-- > > >> DVD repo does NOT show up automatically in the repository listing when >> you install gnome-packagekit-extras. >> > I said if DVD.repo is releases with fedora-release* > it *will* sho

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Frank Murphy
On 10/05/10 13:02, Rahul Sundaram wrote: --snipp-- > > DVD repo does NOT show up automatically in the repository listing when > you install gnome-packagekit-extras. I said if DVD.repo is releases with fedora-release* it *will* show up in default There are manual fiddling involved > in setting

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/10/2010 05:22 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 10/05/10 1 > How can you not click if it shows up in > gnome-packagekit-extra? > (admin/software/sources) > > Will not the packages be availabel in add\remove? > > They are on my tests. > > No user intervention required. > (allow for the fact my test

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Frank Murphy
On 10/05/10 12:48, Rahul Sundaram wrote: --snipp-- >>> >> How is it not as easy? >> > > It is not a click through process. > > Rahul How can you not click if it shows up in gnome-packagekit-extra? (admin/software/sources) Will not the packages be availabel in add\remove? They are on my

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/10/2010 05:06 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 10/05/10 12:25, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > --snip-- > >>> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-May/135944.html >>> Should work for F13+ >>> even for new users. >>> >>> >> What you describe is not as easy as enabling any other

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Frank Murphy
On 10/05/10 12:25, Rahul Sundaram wrote: --snip-- >> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-May/135944.html >> Should work for F13+ >> even for new users. >> > > What you describe is not as easy as enabling any other repository How is it not as easy? fedora-release*rpm contains re

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/10/2010 04:48 PM, Frank Murphy wrote > Hi Rahul, > Check my reply from 11:04 > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-May/135944.html > Should work for F13+ > even for new users. > What you describe is not as easy as enabling any other repository and there is no reason it sho

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Frank Murphy
On 10/05/10 12:10, Rahul Sundaram wrote: --snip-- >> All it takes is adding method to wiki. >> "How to use DVD\CD as repo >> > > Frank, > > We are trying to make the process easier by making it a click through > process. It doesn't help if you insist that it can be done manually. > Everyone

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/10/2010 02:46 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > Look earlier in the thread, > how to mount a DVD as a repo has been demonstrated. > > All it takes is adding method to wiki. > "How to use DVD\CD as repo > Frank, We are trying to make the process easier by making it a click through process. It do

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Frank Murphy
On 10/05/10 10:54, Andrew Haley wrote: > On 05/10/2010 10:16 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: --snip-- >> >> Look earlier in the thread, >> how to mount a DVD as a repo has been demonstrated. > > Yes, it has. And it's more difficult that installing from the repos. > Which was my point. > > Andrew. But t

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Andrew Haley
On 05/10/2010 10:16 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 10/05/10 10:08, Andrew Haley wrote: > --snip-- >> >> This is a bad argument IMO. Many users are advanced in some areas, >> but not others. The whole idea that "Fedora is a distro for advanced >> users therefore it should be hard to use" is absurd.

DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Frank Murphy
On 10/05/10 10:08, Andrew Haley wrote: --snip-- > > This is a bad argument IMO. Many users are advanced in some areas, > but not others. The whole idea that "Fedora is a distro for advanced > users therefore it should be hard to use" is absurd. How is it hard to use? excl. patented stuff. I c

Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Andrew Haley
On 05/09/2010 02:28 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 09/05/10 13:34, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: >> If you have not see this at all, I've seen this frequently. Fedora >> sucks in this area for many years. I've seen it, so whatever >> arguments you bring; I KNOW that this bug IS very important and >> shou

Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-09 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 20:13 +0200, Alexander Boström wrote: > sön 2010-05-09 klockan 11:22 +0430 skrev Hedayat Vatankhah: > > > No, the problem is this: PackageKit does not know how to mount a > > removable media. > > Why do you even need to mount it? Removable media is of course > automatically

Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-09 Thread Hedayat Vatankhah
On ۱۰/۰۵/۰۹ 10:43, Alexander � wrote: > sön 2010-05-09 klockan 11:22 +0430 skrev Hedayat Vatankhah: > > >> No, the problem is this: PackageKit does not know how to mount a >> removable media. >> > Why do you even need to mount it? Removable media is of course > automatically mounted wh

Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-09 Thread Alexander Boström
sön 2010-05-09 klockan 18:54 +0200 skrev Kevin Kofler: > Many of them > have updates anyway. Use delta-RPMs (combining not the installed old version but the old version on the DVD with the downloaded drpm). /Alexander -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedorapr

Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-09 Thread Alexander Boström
sön 2010-05-09 klockan 11:22 +0430 skrev Hedayat Vatankhah: > No, the problem is this: PackageKit does not know how to mount a > removable media. Why do you even need to mount it? Removable media is of course automatically mounted when you insert it (if someone is logged in on the console). /Ale

Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-09 Thread Hedayat Vatankhah
/*Kevin Kofler */ wrote on 05/09/2010 9:24:04 PM +0450: Frank Murphy wrote: That *should not* be default for most users, as it will end up breaking quite a lot, if used with other repos. (updates,updates-tesing, 3rd party) as %requires may have changed quite a bit since DVD was released.

Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Frank Murphy wrote: > That *should not* be default for most users, > as it will end up breaking quite a lot, > if used with other repos. (updates,updates-tesing, 3rd party) > > as %requires may have changed quite a bit since DVD was released. That shouldn't be a problem as long as updates is enab

Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-09 Thread Frank Murphy
On 09/05/10 13:34, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: >--snip-- >> >> Frank >> > Well, sorry but you simply don't get it! Give a Fedora DVD to a new > Linux user and tell him to install it on his own system. Then ask him to > install Eclipse from DVD since he will most probably NOT opt to > customize his pac

Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-09 Thread Hedayat Vatankhah
/*Frank Murphy */ wrote on 05/09/2010 4:20:15 PM +0450: On 09/05/10 12:34, Björn Persson wrote: Frank Murphy wrote: That *should not* be default for most users, as it will end up breaking quite a lot, if used with other repos. (updates,updates-tesing, 3rd party) If using th

Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-09 Thread Frank Murphy
On 09/05/10 12:34, Björn Persson wrote: > Frank Murphy wrote: >> That *should not* be default for most users, >> as it will end up breaking quite a lot, >> if used with other repos. (updates,updates-tesing, 3rd party) > > If using the DVD together with the updates repository would break quite a lot

Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-09 Thread Björn Persson
Frank Murphy wrote: > That *should not* be default for most users, > as it will end up breaking quite a lot, > if used with other repos. (updates,updates-tesing, 3rd party) If using the DVD together with the updates repository would break quite a lot, then how can we all be using the stable and u

Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-09 Thread Frank Murphy
On 09/05/10 10:28, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: --snip-- >> eg: baseurl=file:"/media/Fedora 12 i386 DVD" >> enabled=1 >> gpgcheck=true >> >> Why fix a bug that doesn't need to be fixed. >> >> Above method works for me. > Personally I do know how to use DVD as a repository, but that's not > suitable for

Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-09 Thread Hedayat Vatankhah
On ۱۰/۰۵/۰۹ 11:43, Ankur Sinha wrote: > On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 11:22 +0430, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: > >> Frank Murphy wrote on 05/08/2010 10:51:42 PM >> +0450: >> >>> On 08/05/10 19:15, Hedayat Vatnakhah wrote: >>> >>> Please have a look at the last comments of the bug. M

Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-09 Thread Hedayat Vatankhah
On ۱۰/۰۵/۰۹ 11:41, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 09/05/10 07:52, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: > --snip-- >>> >> No, the problem is this: PackageKit does not know how to mount a >> removable media. > > It doesn't need to. > > --snip-- > > Mount DVD as normal. > your dvd.repo : baseurl:file://path/to/dvd/(

Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-09 Thread Frank Murphy
On 09/05/10 07:52, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: --snip-- No, the problem is this: PackageKit does not know how to mount a removable media. It doesn't need to. --snip-- Mount DVD as normal. your dvd.repo : baseurl:file://path/to/dvd/(repodata) eg: baseurl=file:"/media/Fedora 12 i386 DVD" enable

Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-09 Thread Ankur Sinha
On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 11:22 +0430, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: > > Frank Murphy wrote on 05/08/2010 10:51:42 PM > +0450: > > On 08/05/10 19:15, Hedayat Vatnakhah wrote: > > > > > Please have a look at the last comments of the bug. Most of the > > > implementation is done, the only missing part is

Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-08 Thread Hedayat Vatankhah
/*Frank Murphy */ wrote on 05/08/2010 10:51:42 PM +0450: On 08/05/10 19:15, Hedayat Vatnakhah wrote: Please have a look at the last comments of the bug. Most of the implementation is done, the only missing part is how to mount the CD/DVD in PackageKit! Thanks, Hedayat

Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-08 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Sat, May 08, 2010 at 03:31:04PM +0200, drago01 wrote: > > Why? > > The installation DVD is for installing the system that's it. strongly disagree. Many people do not like to spend much time during installation to decide which packages to install. It should be easy to do it after installati

Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-08 Thread Frank Murphy
On 08/05/10 19:15, Hedayat Vatnakhah wrote: > >> > Please have a look at the last comments of the bug. Most of the > implementation is done, the only missing part is how to mount the CD/DVD > in PackageKit! > > Thanks, > Hedayat > > If you can install "gnome-packagekit-extra" if using Gnome? Is h

Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-08 Thread Hedayat Vatnakhah
On ۱۰/۰۵/۰۸ 06:01, drago01 wrote: On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: Hi all, There is a bug in Fedora package management since FC4 (except Fedora 8) that potentially affects ALL of the Fedora installation DVD users (people who are not annoyed by this bug will probab

Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-08 Thread Hedayat Vatnakhah
Hi again, /*John Reiser */ wrote on ‫شنبه ۰۸ مه ۱۰، ۱۹:۵۴:۰۳‬: On 05/08/2010 06:31 AM, drago01 wrote: The installation DVD is for installing the system that's it. That's only part of it. There's around 4GB of data, and more than a few persons would like to use via PackageKit after

Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-08 Thread Hedayat Vatankhah
On ۱۰/۰۵/۰۸ 06:01, drago01 wrote: On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: Hi all, There is a bug in Fedora package management since FC4 (except Fedora 8) that potentially affects ALL of the Fedora installation DVD users (people who are not annoyed by this bug will probab

Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-08 Thread John Reiser
On 05/08/2010 06:31 AM, drago01 wrote: > The installation DVD is for installing the system that's it. That's only part of it. There's around 4GB of data, and more than a few persons would like to use via PackageKit after the initial install, too. I frequently install just the "Internet Desktop",

Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-08 Thread Thomas Spura
Am Samstag, den 08.05.2010, 15:31 +0200 schrieb drago01: > On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: > > Hi all, > > There is a bug in Fedora package management since FC4 (except Fedora 8) > > that potentially affects ALL of the Fedora installation DVD users > > (people who are not

Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-08 Thread drago01
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: > Hi all, > There is a bug in Fedora package management since FC4 (except Fedora 8) > that potentially affects ALL of the Fedora installation DVD users > (people who are not annoyed by this bug will probably find other > alternatives more su

How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-08 Thread Hedayat Vatankhah
Hi all, There is a bug in Fedora package management since FC4 (except Fedora 8) that potentially affects ALL of the Fedora installation DVD users (people who are not annoyed by this bug will probably find other alternatives more suitable (e.g. Live CD install, Network install or the new BFO if