On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Nevertheless, if you really want to try this method, use
http://repos.fedorapeople.org,
No thanks. repos.fedorapeople.org is a very sorry excuse for a PPA
infrastructure, it's basically only storage with a list
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 2:06 AM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
On Mon, 02.08.10 23:50, pbrobin...@gmail.com (pbrobin...@gmail.com) wrote:
So, I guess what I want to say is: I will return full-time to PA not so
far away. And I have a queue of patches in my checkout (including
On Mon, 2010-08-02 at 23:50 +0100, pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:37 PM, Lennart Poettering
snip
Which is great and I understand that but systemd will basically cover
the release time frame for F-13 and F-14 and in that timeframe the
support and issues for PA are going
On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 05:36 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
I wrote:
s/desktop/GNOME/
KDE packages are tracking upstream closely and are regularly updated,
including upstream bugfixes. Plus, we backport or sometimes even develop
bugfixes of our own.
To me, this shows that a model where
On Mon, 2010-08-02 at 23:37 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 16:01:02 -0400, Carl wrote:
Perhaps we could organize a bug zapping day for the pulseaudio bugs?
Sure, i'm willing to _try_ to help if we
can get Lennart to participate and/or pulseaudio experts to assist
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Mon, 2010-08-02 at 16:52 +, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
The fact that the question was asked suggests to me that perhaps one
should rethink what and how they are doing things. People have had
this complaint
Bastien Nocera wrote:
Shipping snapshots doesn't require much brain waves, knowing what to put
in the snapshots, knowing what to backport does.
This is exactly why I suggest to ship snapshots from master wholesale, then
we don't have to bother with cherry-picking.
Of course, ideally, we'd
Which is great and I understand that but systemd will basically cover
the release time frame for F-13 and F-14 and in that timeframe the
support and issues for PA are going unfixed or even un triaged. Not
great for a core sub system. So maybe it would be a good idea to train
up a few people
On Mon, 2010-08-02 at 16:01 -0400, Carl G. wrote:
Sure, i'm willing to _try_ to help if we
can get Lennart to participate and/or pulseaudio experts to assist
us.
Pulseaudio is currently marked as Only for PA experts here
:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Components_and_Triagers
On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 00:10 +, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
It always amazes me how the Red Hat employees are those that speak up
against criticism of something like this. I stand by my mothership
comment no matter how inflammatory it may be. Can we let this go for
now?
You seem to be
On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 09:24 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
On Mon, 2010-08-02 at 23:50 +0100, pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:37 PM, Lennart Poettering
snip
Which is great and I understand that but systemd will basically cover
the release time frame for F-13 and F-14
On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 09:30 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
The slider not working anymore is most likely an XI2 regression in GTK3
(which I can reproduce), the missing icons is a missing dep on
gnome-icon-theme-symbolic that should be lower down the stack and the
I reported a bug on this
On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 11:44 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 00:10 +, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
It always amazes me how the Red Hat employees are those that speak up
against criticism of something like this. I stand by my mothership
comment no matter how
bugzilla query (don't know if it's possible at all).
So, again, is PulseAudio dead? Seems to me
mp
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[1]
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advancedbug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDcomponent=pulseaudioproduct=Fedoraclassification=Fedora
[2]
https://bugzilla.redhat.com
pinging or asking if more info is required, but I
did not check it using bugzilla query (don't know if it's possible at all).
So, again, is PulseAudio dead? Seems to me
No, it's not. I am just pushing systemd through right now, and did other
stuff.
Also, check upstream git to figure out whether
- Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
No, it's not. I am just pushing systemd through right now, and did
other
stuff.
Also, check upstream git to figure out whether a project is dead. The
last commit there is from 2 weeks ago. Git can tell you something
about
whether
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On 8/2/10 9:52 AM, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
People have had this complaint since PA was forced on to the Fedora users.
Language such as this is not being excellent to each other. It's
unnecessarily antagonistic. Please stop.
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Jesse
- Jesse Keating jkeat...@j2solutions.net wrote:
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On 8/2/10 9:52 AM, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
People have had this complaint since PA was forced on to the Fedora
users.
Language such as this is not being excellent to each other.
- Jesse Keating jkeat...@j2solutions.net wrote:
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On 8/2/10 9:52 AM, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
People have had this complaint since PA was forced on to the Fedora
users.
Language such as this is not being excellent to each other.
On Mon, 2010-08-02 at 17:07 +, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
- Jesse Keating jkeat...@j2solutions.net wrote:
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On 8/2/10 9:52 AM, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
People have had this complaint since PA was forced on to the Fedora
users.
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On 8/2/10 10:07 AM, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
Would Fix your existing broken crap before taking up something new. be less
antagonistic?
No, it wouldn't, and you know that. Now you're just intentionally being
rude. I ask again, please try to be
On Mon, 2010-08-02 at 18:50 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
Also, check upstream git to figure out whether a project is dead. The
last commit there is from 2 weeks ago. Git can tell you something about
whether development happens. Bugzilla just tells you whether I have
devoted my life to
On Mon, 2010-08-02 at 16:52 +, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
The fact that the question was asked suggests to me that perhaps one
should rethink what and how they are doing things. People have had
this complaint since PA was forced on to the Fedora users.
Erm, what complaint? That it's dead?
,
only from bug reporters
pinging or asking if more info is required, but I
did not check it
using bugzilla query (don't know if it's possible at
all).
So,
again, is PulseAudio dead? Seems to me
No, it's not. I am just
pushing systemd through right now, and did other
stuff.
Also, check
- Carl G. carl.gaudrea...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, i'm happy to be a bug triager so
you can get real work done. /s
Let me know if you need some help to
make the stats looks pretty.
Thank You Carl, this will help the community a lot and is a perfect example of
why public emails work.
--
On 02/08/10 19:20, Carl G. wrote:
Let me know if you need some help to
make the stats looks pretty.
:( I just made popcorn.
All ppl can get {insert emotion here}
and never, ever get close to a pregnant Stag. :D
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- Jesse Keating jkeat...@j2solutions.net wrote:
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On 8/2/10 10:07 AM, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
Would Fix your existing broken crap before taking up something
new. be less antagonistic?
No, it wouldn't, and you know that. Now you're
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
Erm, what complaint? That it's dead? I've never heard that one before.
Mostly, people seem to complain when it gets changed, not when it
doesn't.
The gods of irony are pleased indeed.
However, this maybe a case where
On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 14:20:40 -0400
Carl G. carl.gaudrea...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, i'm happy to be a bug triager so
you can get real work done. /s
Let me know if you need some help to
make the stats looks pretty.
Thanks Carl.
Perhaps we could organize a bug zapping day for the pulseaudio
On Mon, 2 Aug 2010, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
- Carl G. carl.gaudrea...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, i'm happy to be a bug triager so
you can get real work done. /s
Let me know if you need some help to
make the stats looks pretty.
Thank You Carl, this will help the community a lot
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On 08/02/2010 12:50 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
On Mon, 2 Aug 2010, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
- Carl G. carl.gaudrea...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, i'm happy to be a bug triager so
you can get real work done. /s
Let me know if you need some help
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 14:20:40 -0400
Carl G.
carl.gaudrea...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, i'm happy to be a bug
triager so
you can get real work done. /s
Let me know if you
need some help to
make the stats looks pretty.
Thanks Carl.
Perhaps we could organize a bug
. I've checked only a few bug and did not find any,
only from bug reporters pinging or asking if more info is required, but I
did not check it using bugzilla query (don't know if it's possible at all).
So, again, is PulseAudio dead? Seems to me
No, it's not. I am just pushing systemd through
On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 16:01:02 -0400, Carl wrote:
Perhaps we could organize a bug zapping day for the pulseaudio bugs?
Sure, i'm willing to _try_ to help if we
can get Lennart to participate and/or pulseaudio experts to assist
us.
Pulseaudio is currently marked as Only for PA experts here
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@j2solutions.net wrote:
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On 8/2/10 9:52 AM, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
People have had this complaint since PA was forced on to the Fedora users.
Language such as this is not being excellent
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote:
On Mon, 2 Aug 2010, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
- Carl G. carl.gaudrea...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, i'm happy to be a bug triager so
you can get real work done. /s
Let me know if you need some help to
make the
. I've checked only a few bug and did not find any,
only from bug reporters pinging or asking if more info is required, but I
did not check it using bugzilla query (don't know if it's possible at all).
So, again, is PulseAudio dead? Seems to me
No, it's not. I am just pushing systemd through
On Mon, 02.08.10 23:09, pbrobin...@gmail.com (pbrobin...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote:
On Mon, 2 Aug 2010, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
- Carl G. carl.gaudrea...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, i'm happy to be a bug triager so
On Mon, 02.08.10 16:01, Carl G. (carl.gaudrea...@gmail.com) wrote:
Sure, i'm willing to _try_ to help if we
can get Lennart to participate and/or pulseaudio experts to assist
us.
Pulseaudio is currently marked as Only for PA experts here
:
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:37 PM, Lennart Poettering
mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
On Mon, 02.08.10 23:09, pbrobin...@gmail.com (pbrobin...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote:
On Mon, 2 Aug 2010, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
- Carl
On Mon, 02.08.10 16:15, Jean-Francois Saucier (jfsauc...@infoglobe.ca) wrote:
I am a little off this subject personally but would like to express my
thought on that.
Knowing that you won't put the time PA need and that you will focus on
another project for a relatively long period of time,
- Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
Well, my reading of the situation is different. Neither will I be
away
for too long, nor is the amount of bugs actually that bad. If you
look
closely a non-trivial number have needinfo set, waiting for the
posters
to report back.
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On 8/2/10 4:00 PM, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
Reminds me of a quote in a book I know.
He is like the farmer who came up out of his cyclone cellar to find
his home ruined. To his wife, he remarked, Don't see anything the
matter here, Ma. Ain't it
- Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com wrote:
No you aren't just saying. You are looking to provoke a fight. You
don't like Pulse Audio, fine. You want to bring it up over and over,
less fine. You want to then duck and dodge any criticism of your
actions as being told to not insult the
On Mon, 02.08.10 23:50, pbrobin...@gmail.com (pbrobin...@gmail.com) wrote:
So, I guess what I want to say is: I will return full-time to PA not so
far away. And I have a queue of patches in my checkout (including volume
ramping and plug-in effects and similar). Also note that I'll run the
pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
While Lennart has moved onto bigger and better things, which isn't a
bad thing, it seems that the maintainership of PA in Fedora hasn't
moved on to other maintianers or at least if Lennart is interested in
maintaining it he hasn't aquired someone to assist in
On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 03:23 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
It also shows that KDE SIG actually has more and/or more efficient packaging
(as opposed to upstream development) manpower than the GNOME folks, unlike
what has been frequently claimed.
I was on vacation for two weeks, but I'm back
I wrote:
s/desktop/GNOME/
KDE packages are tracking upstream closely and are regularly updated,
including upstream bugfixes. Plus, we backport or sometimes even develop
bugfixes of our own.
To me, this shows that a model where upstream versions are tracked by
updates is much more viable
Matthias Clasen wrote:
I was on vacation for two weeks, but I'm back now. So our manpower
should be even again :-)
LOL, it's true that you do a lot of work all by yourself. ;-)
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On 08/03/2010 09:06 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
PS: And since PulseAudio is a shared technology also used by other desktops
than just GNOME, I'd be willing to pick up comaintainership, but then it'd
very likely be maintained in KDE SIG style, aggressively tracking upstream
development.
IMO,
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
IMO, if you want to be a co-maintainer, you will have to coordinate
and work with the model preferred by the primary maintainer. Otherwise
disputes will make the process worse and not better.
This (or rather, the differences in update conception) is exactly why I
On 08/03/2010 09:20 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
IMO, if you want to be a co-maintainer, you will have to coordinate
and work with the model preferred by the primary maintainer. Otherwise
disputes will make the process worse and not better.
This (or rather, the
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
I believe a co-maintainer if he/she wants to collaborate wouldn't
constrained by differences in approaches and can participate and help
out regardless of that. If you review bug reports, I suspect you will
find ways to help. It just requires letting go of the notion
On 08/03/2010 10:04 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
I believe a co-maintainer if he/she wants to collaborate wouldn't
constrained by differences in approaches and can participate and help
out regardless of that. If you review bug reports, I suspect you will
find ways to help.
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Since there is no new upstream release, you will have to triage bugs,
cherry pick patches and push them as updates. What else do you mean by
tracking upstream closely?
If there's no new release, I'd just ship a snapshot.
Kevin Kofler
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On 08/03/2010 10:15 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Since there is no new upstream release, you will have to triage bugs,
cherry pick patches and push them as updates. What else do you mean by
tracking upstream closely?
If there's no new release, I'd just ship a snapshot
If
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