Re: Orphaned Packages in rawhide (2015-08-25)
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 04:56:07PM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: What could pkgdb do against this? Automatically retire a package after it has been orphaned more than X days? Automatically send the email? This sounds a lot like the cron jobs Till is running. Exactly these ... and it seems although Till sends the notification, the retirement is manual action and when he is busy or will be even busier, nothing will happen. That doesn't sound right. I do not see that it is a big issue if packages are orphaned longer than six weeks, the most important deadlines are before branching and final freeze to make sure that unmaintained packages do not cause extra work or are distributed. Also making it automatic will lead to a lot of extra work since dependent packages will also be retired. Unfortunately not enough packagers care to remove dependencies to orphaned packages or maintain the orphaned packages - e.g. 65 packages depend on apache-poi including wildfly which certainly should not be retired. And finally retiring a package includes adding a dead.package file to dist git, but for security reasons package DB will not get unlimited access to dist git. Regards Till -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Orphaned Packages in rawhide (2015-08-25)
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 03:21:52PM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 26.8.2015 v 15:19 Stephen John Smoogen napsal(a): On 26 August 2015 at 02:40, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: Dne 25.8.2015 v 20:33 opensou...@till.name napsal(a): and will be retired when they are orphaned for six weeks Package(co)maintainers Status Change == apache-poi orphan7 weeks ago ekgorphan, karlik9 weeks ago ekg2 orphan, karlik9 weeks ago fwbuilder orphan, till 12 weeks ago javanotes orphan8 weeks ago jtnef orphan7 weeks ago python-sgutils orphan, grover7 weeks ago python-sysv_ipcorphan8 weeks ago rubygem-rack-mount orphan, vondruch 8 weeks ago rubygem-regin orphan, vondruch 8 weeks ago This is a bit contradicting ... Which part? That the package is orphaned for over 6 weeks? Retiring is a manual task which means if tyll et al aren't available it doesn't get done. Or that it is comaintained? A lot of co-maintainers are only sort of interested in a package and don't want to own it directly. Some do. This is a reminder that the comaintainer should take over the package or drop it if they don't want to take over maintainership. The former of course. May be I should open ticket against pkgdb requesting support for this. What should pkgdb do? If a package is orphan it is announced by an email here, then Till reminds co-maintainer that a package they once had interest in is orphaned and if no actions occur the package is retired. This is pretty much the usual workflow. What could pkgdb do against this? Automatically retire a package after it has been orphaned more than X days? Automatically send the email? This sounds a lot like the cron jobs Till is running. Pierre -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Orphaned Packages in rawhide (2015-08-25)
Dne 25.8.2015 v 20:33 opensou...@till.name napsal(a): and will be retired when they are orphaned for six weeks Package(co)maintainers Status Change == apache-poi orphan7 weeks ago ekgorphan, karlik9 weeks ago ekg2 orphan, karlik9 weeks ago fwbuilder orphan, till 12 weeks ago javanotes orphan8 weeks ago jtnef orphan7 weeks ago python-sgutils orphan, grover7 weeks ago python-sysv_ipcorphan8 weeks ago rubygem-rack-mount orphan, vondruch 8 weeks ago rubygem-regin orphan, vondruch 8 weeks ago This is a bit contradicting ... Vít -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Orphaned Packages in rawhide (2015-08-25)
On 26 August 2015 at 02:40, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: Dne 25.8.2015 v 20:33 opensou...@till.name napsal(a): and will be retired when they are orphaned for six weeks Package(co)maintainers Status Change == apache-poi orphan7 weeks ago ekgorphan, karlik9 weeks ago ekg2 orphan, karlik9 weeks ago fwbuilder orphan, till 12 weeks ago javanotes orphan8 weeks ago jtnef orphan7 weeks ago python-sgutils orphan, grover7 weeks ago python-sysv_ipcorphan8 weeks ago rubygem-rack-mount orphan, vondruch 8 weeks ago rubygem-regin orphan, vondruch 8 weeks ago This is a bit contradicting ... Which part? That the package is orphaned for over 6 weeks? Retiring is a manual task which means if tyll et al aren't available it doesn't get done. Or that it is comaintained? A lot of co-maintainers are only sort of interested in a package and don't want to own it directly. Some do. This is a reminder that the comaintainer should take over the package or drop it if they don't want to take over maintainership. Vít -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- Stephen J Smoogen. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Orphaned Packages in rawhide (2015-08-25)
Dne 26.8.2015 v 15:19 Stephen John Smoogen napsal(a): On 26 August 2015 at 02:40, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: Dne 25.8.2015 v 20:33 opensou...@till.name napsal(a): and will be retired when they are orphaned for six weeks Package(co)maintainers Status Change == apache-poi orphan7 weeks ago ekgorphan, karlik9 weeks ago ekg2 orphan, karlik9 weeks ago fwbuilder orphan, till 12 weeks ago javanotes orphan8 weeks ago jtnef orphan7 weeks ago python-sgutils orphan, grover7 weeks ago python-sysv_ipcorphan8 weeks ago rubygem-rack-mount orphan, vondruch 8 weeks ago rubygem-regin orphan, vondruch 8 weeks ago This is a bit contradicting ... Which part? That the package is orphaned for over 6 weeks? Retiring is a manual task which means if tyll et al aren't available it doesn't get done. Or that it is comaintained? A lot of co-maintainers are only sort of interested in a package and don't want to own it directly. Some do. This is a reminder that the comaintainer should take over the package or drop it if they don't want to take over maintainership. The former of course. May be I should open ticket against pkgdb requesting support for this. Vít -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Orphaned Packages in rawhide (2015-08-25)
Dne 26.8.2015 v 16:31 Pierre-Yves Chibon napsal(a): On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 03:21:52PM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 26.8.2015 v 15:19 Stephen John Smoogen napsal(a): On 26 August 2015 at 02:40, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: Dne 25.8.2015 v 20:33 opensou...@till.name napsal(a): and will be retired when they are orphaned for six weeks Package(co)maintainers Status Change == apache-poi orphan7 weeks ago ekgorphan, karlik9 weeks ago ekg2 orphan, karlik9 weeks ago fwbuilder orphan, till 12 weeks ago javanotes orphan8 weeks ago jtnef orphan7 weeks ago python-sgutils orphan, grover7 weeks ago python-sysv_ipcorphan8 weeks ago rubygem-rack-mount orphan, vondruch 8 weeks ago rubygem-regin orphan, vondruch 8 weeks ago This is a bit contradicting ... Which part? That the package is orphaned for over 6 weeks? Retiring is a manual task which means if tyll et al aren't available it doesn't get done. Or that it is comaintained? A lot of co-maintainers are only sort of interested in a package and don't want to own it directly. Some do. This is a reminder that the comaintainer should take over the package or drop it if they don't want to take over maintainership. The former of course. May be I should open ticket against pkgdb requesting support for this. What should pkgdb do? If a package is orphan it is announced by an email here, then Till reminds co-maintainer that a package they once had interest in is orphaned and if no actions occur the package is retired. This is pretty much the usual workflow. What could pkgdb do against this? Automatically retire a package after it has been orphaned more than X days? Automatically send the email? This sounds a lot like the cron jobs Till is running. Exactly these ... and it seems although Till sends the notification, the retirement is manual action and when he is busy or will be even busier, nothing will happen. That doesn't sound right. Vít -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Orphaned Packages in rawhide (2015-08-25)
The following packages are orphaned and will be retired when they are orphaned for six weeks, unless someone adopts them. If you know for sure that the package should be retired, please do so now with a proper reason: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_remove_a_package_at_end_of_life Note: If you received this mail directly you (co)maintain one of the affected packages or a package that depends on one. Please adopt the affected package or retire your depending package to avoid broken dependencies, otherwise your package will be retired when the affected package gets retired. Package(co)maintainers Status Change == apache-poi orphan7 weeks ago awstatsorphan, plautrba, timj1 weeks ago cclive orphan4 weeks ago dock orphan, jpopelka, mmilata, ttomecek 2 weeks ago eclipse-color-themeorphan, java-sig, mef 3 weeks ago ekgorphan, karlik9 weeks ago ekg2 orphan, karlik9 weeks ago faience-icon-theme orphan3 weeks ago fwbuilder orphan, till 12 weeks ago glazedlistsorphan, mef 3 weeks ago jabref orphan, mef, tomspur 3 weeks ago javanotes orphan8 weeks ago jpforphan, mef 3 weeks ago jpfcodegen orphan, mef 3 weeks ago jtnef orphan7 weeks ago mate-applet-lockkeys orphan, raveit65, vicodan 0 weeks ago mate-themes-extras orphan, vicodan 3 weeks ago perl-Devel-FindRef orphan, perl-sig 2 weeks ago photoprint orphan, mdomsch 4 weeks ago python-rfc6266 orphan3 weeks ago python-sgutils orphan, grover7 weeks ago python-sysv_ipcorphan8 weeks ago python-ufc orphan, jgu 2 weeks ago ritopt orphan, mef 3 weeks ago rubygem-celluloid orphan, vondruch 0 weeks ago rubygem-rack-mount orphan, vondruch 8 weeks ago rubygem-regin orphan, vondruch 8 weeks ago spin orphan, mef 3 weeks ago tremulous orphan, jkaluza 5 weeks ago tremulous-data orphan, jkaluza 5 weeks ago The following packages require above mentioned packages: Depending on: apache-poi (65), status change: 2015-07-06 (7 weeks ago) dbunit (maintained by: gil) dbunit-2.5.0-4.fc23.src requires mvn(org.apache.poi:poi) = 3.10.1 jasperreports (maintained by: gil, java-sig, msrb) jasperreports-4.0.2-14.fc23.src requires apache-poi = 3.10.1-3.fc23 solr (maintained by: gil, java-sig) solr-4.10.4-1.fc23.noarch requires mvn(org.apache.poi:poi) = 3.10.1, mvn(org.apache.poi:poi-ooxml) = 3.10.1, mvn(org.apache.poi:poi-ooxml-schemas) = 3.10.1, mvn(org.apache.poi:poi-scratchpad) = 3.10.1 springframework (maintained by: msrb, gil) springframework-3.2.14-2.fc23.src requires mvn(org.apache.poi:poi) = 3.10.1 tika (maintained by: gil, java-sig) tika-1.5-6.fc23.src requires mvn(org.apache.poi:poi) = 3.10.1, mvn(org.apache.poi:poi-ooxml) = 3.10.1, mvn(org.apache.poi:poi-scratchpad) = 3.10.1 tika-parsers-1.5-6.fc23.noarch requires mvn(org.apache.poi:poi) = 3.10.1, mvn(org.apache.poi:poi-ooxml) = 3.10.1, mvn(org.apache.poi:poi-scratchpad) = 3.10.1 acegisecurity (maintained by: msrb, java-sig, mizdebsk, msimacek) acegisecurity-1.0.7-5.fc23.noarch requires mvn(org.springframework:spring-core) = 3.2.14.RELEASE acegisecurity-1.0.7-5.fc23.src requires mvn(org.springframework:spring-core) = 3.2.14.RELEASE cas-client (maintained by: gil, java-sig) cas-client-3.3.3-5.fc23.src requires mvn(org.springframework:spring-core) = 3.2.14.RELEASE cxf (maintained by: goldmann) cxf-2.7.11-1.fc23.src requires springframework = 3.2.14-2.fc23 cxf-rt-2.7.11-1.fc23.noarch requires mvn(org.opensaml:opensaml) = 2.5.3 dozer (maintained by: gil, java-sig) dozer-5.5.1-2.fc23.src requires springframework = 3.2.14-2.fc23
Orphaned Packages in rawhide (2015-08-25)
The following packages are orphaned and will be retired when they are orphaned for six weeks, unless someone adopts them. If you know for sure that the package should be retired, please do so now with a proper reason: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_remove_a_package_at_end_of_life Note: If you received this mail directly you (co)maintain one of the affected packages or a package that depends on one. Please adopt the affected package or retire your depending package to avoid broken dependencies, otherwise your package will be retired when the affected package gets retired. Package(co)maintainers Status Change == apache-poi orphan7 weeks ago awstatsorphan, plautrba, timj1 weeks ago cclive orphan4 weeks ago dock orphan, jpopelka, mmilata, ttomecek 2 weeks ago eclipse-color-themeorphan, java-sig, mef 3 weeks ago ekgorphan, karlik9 weeks ago ekg2 orphan, karlik9 weeks ago faience-icon-theme orphan3 weeks ago fwbuilder orphan, till 12 weeks ago glazedlistsorphan, mef 3 weeks ago jabref orphan, mef, tomspur 3 weeks ago javanotes orphan8 weeks ago jpforphan, mef 3 weeks ago jpfcodegen orphan, mef 3 weeks ago jtnef orphan7 weeks ago mate-applet-lockkeys orphan, raveit65, vicodan 0 weeks ago mate-themes-extras orphan, vicodan 3 weeks ago perl-Devel-FindRef orphan, perl-sig 2 weeks ago photoprint orphan, mdomsch 4 weeks ago python-rfc6266 orphan3 weeks ago python-sgutils orphan, grover7 weeks ago python-sysv_ipcorphan8 weeks ago python-ufc orphan, jgu 2 weeks ago ritopt orphan, mef 3 weeks ago rubygem-celluloid orphan, vondruch 0 weeks ago rubygem-rack-mount orphan, vondruch 8 weeks ago rubygem-regin orphan, vondruch 8 weeks ago spin orphan, mef 3 weeks ago tremulous orphan, jkaluza 5 weeks ago tremulous-data orphan, jkaluza 5 weeks ago The following packages require above mentioned packages: Depending on: apache-poi (65), status change: 2015-07-06 (7 weeks ago) dbunit (maintained by: gil) dbunit-2.5.0-4.fc23.src requires mvn(org.apache.poi:poi) = 3.10.1 jasperreports (maintained by: gil, java-sig, msrb) jasperreports-4.0.2-14.fc23.src requires apache-poi = 3.10.1-3.fc23 solr (maintained by: gil, java-sig) solr-4.10.4-1.fc23.noarch requires mvn(org.apache.poi:poi) = 3.10.1, mvn(org.apache.poi:poi-ooxml) = 3.10.1, mvn(org.apache.poi:poi-ooxml-schemas) = 3.10.1, mvn(org.apache.poi:poi-scratchpad) = 3.10.1 springframework (maintained by: msrb, gil) springframework-3.2.14-2.fc23.src requires mvn(org.apache.poi:poi) = 3.10.1 tika (maintained by: gil, java-sig) tika-1.5-6.fc23.src requires mvn(org.apache.poi:poi) = 3.10.1, mvn(org.apache.poi:poi-ooxml) = 3.10.1, mvn(org.apache.poi:poi-scratchpad) = 3.10.1 tika-parsers-1.5-6.fc23.noarch requires mvn(org.apache.poi:poi) = 3.10.1, mvn(org.apache.poi:poi-ooxml) = 3.10.1, mvn(org.apache.poi:poi-scratchpad) = 3.10.1 acegisecurity (maintained by: msrb, java-sig, mizdebsk, msimacek) acegisecurity-1.0.7-5.fc23.noarch requires mvn(org.springframework:spring-core) = 3.2.14.RELEASE acegisecurity-1.0.7-5.fc23.src requires mvn(org.springframework:spring-core) = 3.2.14.RELEASE cas-client (maintained by: gil, java-sig) cas-client-3.3.3-5.fc23.src requires mvn(org.springframework:spring-core) = 3.2.14.RELEASE cxf (maintained by: goldmann) cxf-2.7.11-1.fc23.src requires springframework = 3.2.14-2.fc23 cxf-rt-2.7.11-1.fc23.noarch requires mvn(org.opensaml:opensaml) = 2.5.3 dozer (maintained by: gil, java-sig) dozer-5.5.1-2.fc23.src requires springframework = 3.2.14-2.fc23
