Re: PA 1.0 for FC16?

2011-10-10 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Sat, 08.10.11 18:08, Gilboa Davara (gilb...@gmail.com) wrote: > >> I might be completely off target on this one, but assuming that the >> information I've gathered thus far is correct, read: assuming that >> wine *requires* PA 1.0 to

Re: PA 1.0 for FC16?

2011-10-10 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Gilboa Davara wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > Short question: > > PA 1.0 was released ~1 month ago. > > According to the wine developers, the updated mmdevapi layer (the wine > > layer that emulates the Windo

Re: PA 1.0 for FC16?

2011-10-10 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sat, 08.10.11 18:08, Gilboa Davara (gilb...@gmail.com) wrote: > I might be completely off target on this one, but assuming that the > information I've gathered thus far is correct, read: assuming that > wine *requires* PA 1.0 to work reliably, will it possible to push PA > 1.0 as a post install

Re: PA 1.0 for FC16?

2011-10-08 Thread ニール・ゴンパ
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: > On 10/08/2011 04:44 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > if there would be much more care by introducing new features/replacements > > my understanding for the fear of update thmen after that would be much > higher > > > > as long fedora is shootin

Re: PA 1.0 for FC16?

2011-10-08 Thread Genes MailLists
On 10/08/2011 04:44 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > if there would be much more care by introducing new features/replacements > my understanding for the fear of update thmen after that would be much higher > > as long fedora is shooting out new features without any care if they are > really ready fdora

Re: PA 1.0 for FC16?

2011-10-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.10.2011 22:36, schrieb Peter Robinson: > On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Gilboa Davara wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> Short question: >> PA 1.0 was released ~1 month ago. >> According to the wine developers, the updated mmdevapi layer (the wine >> layer that emulates the Windows sound system)

Re: PA 1.0 for FC16?

2011-10-08 Thread Peter Robinson
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Gilboa Davara wrote: > Hello all, > > Short question: > PA 1.0 was released ~1 month ago. > According to the wine developers, the updated mmdevapi layer (the wine > layer that emulates the Windows sound system) more-or-less requires > current PA (1.0?) to work relia

Re: PA 1.0 for FC16?

2011-10-08 Thread Peter Robinson
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 14:14:50 -0500 > Michael Cronenworth wrote: > >> On 10/08/2011 01:15 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> > If Ubuntu is doing a better job than us of shipping an updated >> > version of OUR OWN FEATURE, we're failing very badly. >> >

Re: PA 1.0 for FC16?

2011-10-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.10.2011 21:40, schrieb Kevin Fenzi: > On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 14:14:50 -0500 > Michael Cronenworth wrote: > >> On 10/08/2011 01:15 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >>> If Ubuntu is doing a better job than us of shipping an updated >>> version of OUR OWN FEATURE, we're failing very badly. >>> >>> What

Re: PA 1.0 for FC16?

2011-10-08 Thread ニール・ゴンパ
Eerm, I mean recommended as not usable. Using padevchooser breaks most PulseAudio environments even now, so don't use it. 2011/10/8 Conan Kudo (ニール・ゴンパ) > There were a lot of changes[1], but the only program I know of that would > absolutely break from those changes is padevchooser, which has lo

Re: PA 1.0 for FC16?

2011-10-08 Thread ニール・ゴンパ
There were a lot of changes[1], but the only program I know of that would absolutely break from those changes is padevchooser, which has long since been recommended and not usable, since avahi takes care of that quite nicely. [1]: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Notes/1.0 On S

Re: PA 1.0 for FC16?

2011-10-08 Thread Jan Willies
2011/10/8 Rex Dieter > > > > I might be completely off target on this one, but assuming that the > > information I've gathered thus far is correct, read: assuming that > > wine *requires* PA 1.0 to work reliably, will it possible to push PA > > 1.0 as a post installation upgrade or alternatively,

Re: PA 1.0 for FC16?

2011-10-08 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 14:14:50 -0500 Michael Cronenworth wrote: > On 10/08/2011 01:15 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > If Ubuntu is doing a better job than us of shipping an updated > > version of OUR OWN FEATURE, we're failing very badly. > > > > What happened to "First" in the 4 'F's? > > > > Our obje

Re: PA 1.0 for FC16?

2011-10-08 Thread drago01
2011/10/8 Conan Kudo (ニール・ゴンパ) : > How would someone go about doing that, anyway? https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: PA 1.0 for FC16?

2011-10-08 Thread ニール・ゴンパ
How would someone go about doing that, anyway? On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > On 10/08/2011 01:15 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > If Ubuntu is doing a better job than us of shipping an updated version of > > OUR OWN FEATURE, we're failing very badly. > > > > What happen

Re: PA 1.0 for FC16?

2011-10-08 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 10/08/2011 01:15 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > If Ubuntu is doing a better job than us of shipping an updated version of > OUR OWN FEATURE, we're failing very badly. > > What happened to "First" in the 4 'F's? > > Our objectives are NOT to deliver current software only 6+ months after the > competit

Re: PA 1.0 for FC16?

2011-10-08 Thread Kevin Kofler
Tomasz Torcz wrote: > I think it's too late for F16 to do such drastic changes. We are way > after freeze. PA is a core component and should be tested thorugfully > before including in release. > Ubuntu shipped 0.99 snapshots for some time and had enough tests > apparently. If Ubuntu is doing a

Re: PA 1.0 for FC16?

2011-10-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.10.2011 19:34, schrieb Tomasz Torcz: > On Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 12:23:04PM -0500, Conan Kudo (ニール・ゴンパ) wrote: >> It might be better to make a case to bend the rules for PulseAudio and have >> it included in Fedora 16. It could be problematic if more programs have >> issues like wine where th

Re: PA 1.0 for FC16?

2011-10-08 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: > > >> I might be completely off target on this one, but assuming that the >> information I've gathered thus far is correct, read: assuming that >> wine *requires* PA 1.0 to work reliably, will it possible to push PA >> 1.0 as a post installation u

Re: PA 1.0 for FC16?

2011-10-08 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 12:23:04PM -0500, Conan Kudo (ニール・ゴンパ) wrote: > It might be better to make a case to bend the rules for PulseAudio and have > it included in Fedora 16. It could be problematic if more programs have > issues like wine where they won't work with pre-1.0 PulseAudio properly or

Re: PA 1.0 for FC16?

2011-10-08 Thread ニール・ゴンパ
It might be better to make a case to bend the rules for PulseAudio and have it included in Fedora 16. It could be problematic if more programs have issues like wine where they won't work with pre-1.0 PulseAudio properly or reliably. On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: > > > > I mi

Re: PA 1.0 for FC16?

2011-10-08 Thread Rex Dieter
> I might be completely off target on this one, but assuming that the > information I've gathered thus far is correct, read: assuming that > wine *requires* PA 1.0 to work reliably, will it possible to push PA > 1.0 as a post installation upgrade or alternatively, using a personal > repo? I can

Re: PA 1.0 for FC16?

2011-10-08 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Sat, 08.10.11 15:43, Gilboa Davara (gilb...@gmail.com) wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> Short question: >> PA 1.0 was released ~1 month ago. > > It was released 12 days ago. My mistake. > >> According to the wine developers, the updated

Re: PA 1.0 for FC16?

2011-10-08 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sat, 08.10.11 15:43, Gilboa Davara (gilb...@gmail.com) wrote: > Hello all, > > Short question: > PA 1.0 was released ~1 month ago. It was released 12 days ago. > According to the wine developers, the updated mmdevapi layer (the wine > layer that emulates the Windows sound system) more-or-les

PA 1.0 for FC16?

2011-10-08 Thread Gilboa Davara
Hello all, Short question: PA 1.0 was released ~1 month ago. According to the wine developers, the updated mmdevapi layer (the wine layer that emulates the Windows sound system) more-or-less requires current PA (1.0?) to work reliably. [1] For now, sound is completely broken under wine on any of m