Re: Preferred Startup applications gone?
On Monday, February 07, 2011 03:51:42 pm Bastien Nocera wrote: On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 08:52 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: it's a design feature, we are told. the intent is that applications should offer the option to set themselves as the default, instead of the desktop providing a central config point. To the GNOME developers (Adam, I know you are just the messenger): This is very broken. You cannot expect non-GNOME applications to support setting themselves as the default in GNOME. (For example, if you want to use, say, Konqueror as your default browser, how would you set that? Konqueror obviously does not support GNOME preferences.) There's no GNOME preferences involved. Make sure Konqueror sets itself as the handler for x-scheme-handler/http (and https) and you're done. Ok, I take a look how to support it in Arora - as it's going to be regression, people were asking for Gnome preferred apps support, it's now upstreamed even... As Arora should be Freedesktop.org browser, not tied to any of DEs, I'll try to fix it. Actually upstream looks quite dead now but breaths sometimes. PS: for now, I'm just removing Gnome support completely. Jaroslav Plus, we have seen where leaving this to the applications leads to on Window$: applications fight for being the default and the user never gets asked! Instead, merely running an app will change his/her file associations, leading to a ping-pong effect. Please do not head down that road! We're talking about browsers and mailers. Browsers already do that. -- Jaroslav Řezník jrez...@redhat.com Software Engineer - Base Operating Systems Brno Office: +420 532 294 275 Mobile: +420 602 797 774 Red Hat, Inc. http://cz.redhat.com/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Preferred Startup applications gone?
Bastien Nocera wrote: On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 08:52 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: it's a design feature, we are told. the intent is that applications should offer the option to set themselves as the default, instead of the desktop providing a central config point. To the GNOME developers (Adam, I know you are just the messenger): This is very broken. You cannot expect non-GNOME applications to support setting themselves as the default in GNOME. (For example, if you want to use, say, Konqueror as your default browser, how would you set that? Konqueror obviously does not support GNOME preferences.) There's no GNOME preferences involved. Make sure Konqueror sets itself as the handler for x-scheme-handler/http (and https) and you're done. Plus, we have seen where leaving this to the applications leads to on Window$: applications fight for being the default and the user never gets asked! Instead, merely running an app will change his/her file associations, leading to a ping-pong effect. Please do not head down that road! We're talking about browsers and mailers. Browsers already do that. KDE doesn't use x-scheme-handler for browsers at all. Instead, it has a Default Components setting (very similar to GNOME 2's Preferred Applications) where, for the browser, you can set it up to use the program associated with the text/html file type (the default setting) or to use a specific browser. (In fact, this was added in KDE 4, modeled on the GNOME 2 dialog. In KDE 3, it was hardcoded to always use the text/html file association as a browser.) In Fedora, the default text/html handler for KDE is set in /usr/share/kde-settings/kde-profile/default/share/applications/defaults.list with the following line: text/html=kde4-konqueror.desktop; We patch the startkde script to set XDG_DATA_DIRS so this setting is also seen by non-KDE applications. None of the browser packages I have installed override this setting. If I want to change it, I have to either change the priorities for text/html in the file associations or force a default browser in Default Components in KDE's System Settings (or both). See line 286 of: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kdelibs.gita=blobh=c86a77b02f5bbcc3f357042afb6c6d1cb4bdcb2ahb=e737ed00d8782d82559d8a9ef9d3bef56ced0b49f=kdecore/kernel/ktoolinvocation_x11.cpp for how this is implemented in KDE. (You'll notice that, when not running the KDE Plasma Workspace, kdelibs will use xdg-open if installed, so GNOME's way of handling URLs, including x-scheme-handler, will be used in that case.) As of KDE 4.6, KDE now supports x-scheme-handler for the things KDE's old protocol handler scheme is used for, but that isn't quite the same thing as what GNOME uses it for. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Preferred Startup applications gone?
On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 08:52 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: it's a design feature, we are told. the intent is that applications should offer the option to set themselves as the default, instead of the desktop providing a central config point. To the GNOME developers (Adam, I know you are just the messenger): This is very broken. You cannot expect non-GNOME applications to support setting themselves as the default in GNOME. (For example, if you want to use, say, Konqueror as your default browser, how would you set that? Konqueror obviously does not support GNOME preferences.) There's no GNOME preferences involved. Make sure Konqueror sets itself as the handler for x-scheme-handler/http (and https) and you're done. Plus, we have seen where leaving this to the applications leads to on Window$: applications fight for being the default and the user never gets asked! Instead, merely running an app will change his/her file associations, leading to a ping-pong effect. Please do not head down that road! We're talking about browsers and mailers. Browsers already do that. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Preferred Startup applications gone?
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: it's a design feature, we are told. the intent is that applications should offer the option to set themselves as the default, instead of the desktop providing a central config point. To the GNOME developers (Adam, I know you are just the messenger): This is very broken. You cannot expect non-GNOME applications to support setting themselves as the default in GNOME. (For example, if you want to use, say, Konqueror as your default browser, how would you set that? Konqueror obviously does not support GNOME preferences.) Plus, we have seen where leaving this to the applications leads to on Window$: applications fight for being the default and the user never gets asked! Instead, merely running an app will change his/her file associations, leading to a ping-pong effect. Please do not head down that road! And does each individual app then have to offer a config option to enable/disable this after the original decision if the user changes their mind, or is that final? Peter -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Preferred Startup applications gone?
On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 08:52 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: it's a design feature, we are told. the intent is that applications should offer the option to set themselves as the default, instead of the desktop providing a central config point. To the GNOME developers (Adam, I know you are just the messenger): If you want to talk to the GNOME designers, please join #gnome-design on GimpNet. Climbing on your soapbox here is not going to be very effective. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Preferred Startup applications gone?
Hi, Using the current spin on rawhide but seem to have lost where I set the startup applications and preferred apps up from. The used to be under Preferences but seem to have vanished. Any idea what I need to re-install to get it back. There is nothing under System Settings which lets me do this. Paul -- Vertraue mir, ich weiss, was ich mache... -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Preferred Startup applications gone?
Adam Williamson awilliam at redhat.com writes: it's a design feature, we are told. the intent is that applications should offer the option to set themselves as the default, instead of the desktop providing a central config point. Is there a replacement for Automatically remember running applications when logging out in Startup Applications? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Preferred Startup applications gone?
Adam Williamson wrote: it's a design feature, we are told. the intent is that applications should offer the option to set themselves as the default, instead of the desktop providing a central config point. To the GNOME developers (Adam, I know you are just the messenger): This is very broken. You cannot expect non-GNOME applications to support setting themselves as the default in GNOME. (For example, if you want to use, say, Konqueror as your default browser, how would you set that? Konqueror obviously does not support GNOME preferences.) Plus, we have seen where leaving this to the applications leads to on Window$: applications fight for being the default and the user never gets asked! Instead, merely running an app will change his/her file associations, leading to a ping-pong effect. Please do not head down that road! Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
