Re: Shipping package metadata in a package

2014-01-24 Thread Adam Williamson
Richard Hughes wrote: >On 24 January 2014 10:03, Mathieu Bridon >wrote: >> Rather than during the initial setup thing, why not start it at first >> boot, much earlier? > >We need to wait until the user has setup a network connection. > >> Another option would be to have it done as the last step o

Re: Shipping package metadata in a package

2014-01-24 Thread drago01
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Richard Hughes (hughsi...@gmail.com) said: >> I'm after some advice / ideas. When you install Fedora 20/21 and then >> launch gnome-software it has to go and download some metadata before >> it can show anything. This is a pretty bad first

Re: Shipping package metadata in a package

2014-01-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
Richard Hughes (hughsi...@gmail.com) said: > I'm after some advice / ideas. When you install Fedora 20/21 and then > launch gnome-software it has to go and download some metadata before > it can show anything. This is a pretty bad first experience, > considering subsequent runs of gnome-software j

Re: Shipping package metadata in a package

2014-01-24 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El Fri, 24 Jan 2014 10:01:09 + Richard Hughes escribió: > Hi all, > > I'm after some advice / ideas. When you install Fedora 20/21 and then > launch gnome-software it has to go and download some metadata before > it can show anything. This is a p

Re: Shipping package metadata in a package

2014-01-24 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 05:50:02PM +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: > > > In this instance, when run with background attribues, PackageKit uses > > idle bandwidth and with a lower priority than if the transaction was a > > foreground task. > >

Re: Shipping package metadata in a package

2014-01-24 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: > In this instance, when run with background attribues, PackageKit uses > idle bandwidth and with a lower priority than if the transaction was a > foreground task. > Huh, we have a concept of "idle bandwidth"? Who/how manages this? Mire

Re: Shipping package metadata in a package

2014-01-24 Thread Richard Hughes
On 24 January 2014 16:08, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > I was running the rawhide version... Before I had > gnome-software-3.11.1-1.fc21.x86_64, > and now I upgraded to 3.11.4-2.fc21.x86_64. Unfortunately 3.11.4-2.fc21.x86_64 > crashes all the time for me. Yup, sorry about that, there are

Re: Shipping package metadata in a package

2014-01-24 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 03:44:07PM +, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 24 January 2014 15:39, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > BTW. Reminded by this thread, I've added appdata files for the calibre > > package. In the appdata file I have a screenshot: > >> height="675">http://in.waw.pl/

Re: Shipping package metadata in a package

2014-01-24 Thread Richard Hughes
On 24 January 2014 15:39, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > BTW. Reminded by this thread, I've added appdata files for the calibre > package. In the appdata file I have a screenshot: >height="675">http://in.waw.pl/~zbyszek/calibre/calibre-main-window.png > but gnome-software doesn't display

Re: Shipping package metadata in a package

2014-01-24 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 10:01:09AM +, Richard Hughes wrote: > The downside to shipping prepared > metadata is that the package size is larger, and that the metadata > would be *very* out of date after a year or so. I don't see the problem with stale metadata of this kind. It's not like a descri

Re: Shipping package metadata in a package

2014-01-24 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 24.1.2014 15:05, Richard Hughes napsal(a): > On 24 January 2014 12:20, Vít Ondruch wrote: >> Not sure I like the idea. I install the system, eager to start using it, >> but in background will run some service downloading some data, which >> will make my system sluggish. That would be user expe

Re: Shipping package metadata in a package

2014-01-24 Thread Richard Hughes
On 24 January 2014 14:10, Simo Sorce wrote: > Does it need all the data upfront ? That's a good question. Not much at all just to show the overview page. > Maybe you can have a small place with initial metadata that contains a > subset of the packages and is quick to download so you can show > s

Re: Shipping package metadata in a package

2014-01-24 Thread Simo Sorce
On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 10:01 +, Richard Hughes wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm after some advice / ideas. When you install Fedora 20/21 and then > launch gnome-software it has to go and download some metadata before > it can show anything. This is a pretty bad first experience, > considering subsequen

Re: Shipping package metadata in a package

2014-01-24 Thread Richard Hughes
On 24 January 2014 12:20, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Not sure I like the idea. I install the system, eager to start using it, > but in background will run some service downloading some data, which > will make my system sluggish. That would be user experience far from > ideal ... In this instance, when

Re: Shipping package metadata in a package

2014-01-24 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 24.1.2014 11:03, Mathieu Bridon napsal(a): > Hi, > > On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 10:01 +, Richard Hughes wrote: >> There are two ways to fix the jarring UX. We could either ship the >> fedora package metadata pre-prepared in PackageKit, maybe using >> something like %ghost so the new metadata is

Re: Shipping package metadata in a package

2014-01-24 Thread Richard Hughes
On 24 January 2014 10:03, Mathieu Bridon wrote: > Rather than during the initial setup thing, why not start it at first > boot, much earlier? We need to wait until the user has setup a network connection. > Another option would be to have it done as the last step of the > installer. Won't that

Re: Shipping package metadata in a package

2014-01-24 Thread Mathieu Bridon
Hi, On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 10:01 +, Richard Hughes wrote: > There are two ways to fix the jarring UX. We could either ship the > fedora package metadata pre-prepared in PackageKit, maybe using > something like %ghost so the new metadata is ignored. The other way is > to start the metadata downl

Shipping package metadata in a package

2014-01-24 Thread Richard Hughes
Hi all, I'm after some advice / ideas. When you install Fedora 20/21 and then launch gnome-software it has to go and download some metadata before it can show anything. This is a pretty bad first experience, considering subsequent runs of gnome-software just open straight away. GNOME Software oper