Re: Should logrotate timer be enabled by default on all installations?

2020-03-19 Thread Kamil Dudka
On Wednesday, March 18, 2020 3:50:34 PM CET Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 01:04:58PM +0100, Kamil Dudka wrote: > > > logrotate is a utility designed to simplify the administration of log > > files on a system which generates a lot of log files. It used to be > >

Re: Should logrotate timer be enabled by default on all installations?

2020-03-18 Thread Robbie Harwood
Björn Persson writes: > Kamil Dudka wrote: > >> The timer is currently not enabled on fresh installs to avoid >> surprises (such as data lost) > > That's a surprise only if somebody expected that logs would be retained > forever. Do people expect that? Yes. > Random programs failing because

Re: Should logrotate timer be enabled by default on all installations?

2020-03-18 Thread Björn Persson
Kamil Dudka wrote: > The timer is currently not enabled on fresh installs to avoid surprises (such > as data lost) That's a surprise only if somebody expected that logs would be retained forever. Do people expect that? Random programs failing because the disk is full is a worse surprise in my

Re: Should logrotate timer be enabled by default on all installations?

2020-03-18 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 01:04:58PM +0100, Kamil Dudka wrote: > logrotate is a utility designed to simplify the administration of log files > on > a system which generates a lot of log files. It used to be triggered by > cron. > The cron hook was unconditionally installed with logrotate but

Re: Should logrotate timer be enabled by default on all installations?

2020-03-18 Thread Kamil Dudka
On Wednesday, March 18, 2020 3:20:17 PM CET Dusty Mabe wrote: > I guess it would be worth analyzing the problem space a bit: > > - in the past how many people do we think had logrotate installed and not > cron? I am worried more about automated provisioning rather than manual installations. >

Re: Should logrotate timer be enabled by default on all installations?

2020-03-18 Thread Dusty Mabe
On 3/18/20 8:04 AM, Kamil Dudka wrote: > logrotate is a utility designed to simplify the administration of log files > on > a system which generates a lot of log files. It used to be triggered by > cron. > The cron hook was unconditionally installed with logrotate but it took effect >

Should logrotate timer be enabled by default on all installations?

2020-03-18 Thread Kamil Dudka
logrotate is a utility designed to simplify the administration of log files on a system which generates a lot of log files. It used to be triggered by cron. The cron hook was unconditionally installed with logrotate but it took effect only if a cron daemon was installed. Starting with Fedora