Re: The Code of Conduct applies to all Fedora participation [was Re: Why is Fx 57 in Updates Testing?]

[Josh Boyer]

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Matthew Miller
 wrote:
> Wrong. The Code of Conduct applies to all participation in Fedora.
>
> As I understand the history, your messages are on moderation because
> ... well, you keep doing this. That's not okay. If you had sent this
> just to me privately as a way of blowing off steam, I might try to
> personally talk you down. That's okay sometimes; everyone gets
> frustrated. But, anticipation that your message will be rejected by a
> moderator is no excuse.

I agree 100% with Matthew.  I would go further and suggest that if an
individual is already on moderation, they should be seriously
considering the tone of every message they send to make sure it
adheres to the Code of Conduct.  To do otherwise demonstrates a
complete lack of respect for the CoC and the Fedora community itself.

josh

> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 03:59:55PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> since my mails to the devel list are rejcted anyways the code of
>> conduct no longer applies to me
>>
>> Am 12.10.2017 um 15:51 schrieb Matthew Miller:
>> >
>> >Harald, you've had plenty of warnings. When you go off like this, it
>> >stops the conversation from being about the policies and problems.
>> >Don't do that. It is not productive or constructive. At the very, very
>> >minimum, it is a terrible way to get the results you want. But it is
>> >also against the Fedora Code of Conduct, which you must abide by when
>> >participating in Fedora.
>> >
>> >I know there is other stuff going on in that thread, but that is long
>> >and this is in my personal inbox, so it's getting first attention.
>> >
>> >
>> >On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 09:33:21AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> >>IT IS NOT because the maintainer acts like a moron
>> >>
>> >>https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1500806#c13
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>--- Comment #13 from Martin Stransky  ---
>> >>Sorry but the update stays there unless there's a general agreement
>> >>it should
>> >>be removed. If you feel so please file FESCo ticket for that.
>> >>
>> >>i slowly get tired enough to disable updates-testing at all and do
>> >>what you want guys in the future, have fun without testers which
>> >>means you maintainers need to do more quality work alltogether when
>> >>you lose your last resort between build something and the big
>> >>userbase
>> >>
>> >>Am 12.10.2017 um 02:36 schrieb Adam Williamson:
>> >>>On Wed, 2017-10-11 at 17:13 -0700, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Martin Stransky 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >I'm surprised that people use updates-testing for stable/production
>> >machines, have problem with handling the update and act like newbies. If
>> >you can't handle that, don't use that. Fedora is really a bleeding edge 
>> >so
>> >don't complain you get new software with new features - even as testing
>> >only :)
>> >
>> >Where is Matthew Miller when you need him?  No one said anything about
>> 
>> using updates-testing for stable/productioin machines.  And the fact that
>> you're implying that Fedora itself is bleeding edge and not really suited
>> for production raises a huge red flag.
>> 
>> i have no doubt when this whole situation is reviewed logical minds will
>> prevail, but in the meantime you've taken advantage of a loophole.
>> Congratulations.
>> >>>
>> >>>I think you're getting a bit needlessly confrontational at this point.
>> >>>The issue's been sufficiently well raised now. Let's try to move
>> >>>forward productively from here...
>>
>
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The Code of Conduct applies to all Fedora participation [was Re: Why is Fx 57 in Updates Testing?]

[Matthew Miller]

Wrong. The Code of Conduct applies to all participation in Fedora.

As I understand the history, your messages are on moderation because
... well, you keep doing this. That's not okay. If you had sent this
just to me privately as a way of blowing off steam, I might try to
personally talk you down. That's okay sometimes; everyone gets
frustrated. But, anticipation that your message will be rejected by a
moderator is no excuse.


On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 03:59:55PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
> since my mails to the devel list are rejcted anyways the code of
> conduct no longer applies to me
> 
> Am 12.10.2017 um 15:51 schrieb Matthew Miller:
> >
> >Harald, you've had plenty of warnings. When you go off like this, it
> >stops the conversation from being about the policies and problems.
> >Don't do that. It is not productive or constructive. At the very, very
> >minimum, it is a terrible way to get the results you want. But it is
> >also against the Fedora Code of Conduct, which you must abide by when
> >participating in Fedora.
> >
> >I know there is other stuff going on in that thread, but that is long
> >and this is in my personal inbox, so it's getting first attention.
> >
> >
> >On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 09:33:21AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >>IT IS NOT because the maintainer acts like a moron
> >>
> >>https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1500806#c13
> >>
> >>
> >>--- Comment #13 from Martin Stransky  ---
> >>Sorry but the update stays there unless there's a general agreement
> >>it should
> >>be removed. If you feel so please file FESCo ticket for that.
> >>
> >>i slowly get tired enough to disable updates-testing at all and do
> >>what you want guys in the future, have fun without testers which
> >>means you maintainers need to do more quality work alltogether when
> >>you lose your last resort between build something and the big
> >>userbase
> >>
> >>Am 12.10.2017 um 02:36 schrieb Adam Williamson:
> >>>On Wed, 2017-10-11 at 17:13 -0700, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Martin Stransky 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >I'm surprised that people use updates-testing for stable/production
> >machines, have problem with handling the update and act like newbies. If
> >you can't handle that, don't use that. Fedora is really a bleeding edge 
> >so
> >don't complain you get new software with new features - even as testing
> >only :)
> >
> >Where is Matthew Miller when you need him?  No one said anything about
> 
> using updates-testing for stable/productioin machines.  And the fact that
> you're implying that Fedora itself is bleeding edge and not really suited
> for production raises a huge red flag.
> 
> i have no doubt when this whole situation is reviewed logical minds will
> prevail, but in the meantime you've taken advantage of a loophole.
> Congratulations.
> >>>
> >>>I think you're getting a bit needlessly confrontational at this point.
> >>>The issue's been sufficiently well raised now. Let's try to move
> >>>forward productively from here...
> 

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Fedora Project Leader
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