Chris Smart schreef, Op 2-1-2013 8:53:
On 12/07/2012 11:53 PM, Tomas Radej wrote:
One of the results was a conversation I had with a few guys to
whom I recommended Fedora as a development environment. It showed me
that there's indeed something wrong. While they all said that Fedora's
features
On 12/07/2012 11:53 PM, Tomas Radej wrote:
One of the results was a conversation I had with a few guys to
whom I recommended Fedora as a development environment. It showed me
that there's indeed something wrong. While they all said that Fedora's
features were brilliant, they unanimously
On 12/10/2012 05:39 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
Which is why I think it would be in every ones best interest if all
the RHEL clones ( even oracle ) would unite join our community
maintain and support Fedora LTS release instead risk being bitten by
any business decision Red Hat either
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 6:21 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky zn...@znmeb.net wrote:
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote:
Le dimanche 09 décembre 2012 à 15:18 -0800, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky a
écrit :
There's no way I can run my laptop on Rawhide - it's dual-booted with
On Sun, 09 Dec 2012 18:21:43 +0100, Roberto Ragusa wrote:
I can only say that at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_package_collection_maintainers
23 steps are shown under Becoming a Fedora Package Collection Maintainer.
Some of them are technical and more or less unavoidable (koji,
On 09/12/2012 at 10:03 PM, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote:
MATE IS growing. And MATE developers are starting to contribute to
Gnome. :)
Dan
In the absence of any good reasons *not* to vote for any of the other
candidates, and in the face of at least one reason not to vote for you, I'm
Hi,
On Sat, Dec 08, 2012 at 05:45:25PM -0500, Mark Bidewell wrote:
I hear you. I will admit I haven't thought through all of the possible
permutations. Probably a better criterion would be impact of ABI changes.
What I would like to see changed is the fact that, right now (and this
goes
Classy.
On Dec 10, 2012 12:14 AM, dave.gibbo...@hushmail.com wrote:
On 09/12/2012 at 10:03 PM, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote:
MATE IS growing. And MATE developers are starting to contribute to
Gnome. :)
Dan
In the absence of any good reasons *not* to vote for any of the other
On 12/08/2012 04:12 PM, Arun SAG wrote:
Not really! We are already a customer of RHEL. Money is not the problem. We
want our users to use the latest software out there but we also want to
reduce the upgrade cycle.
I don't understand what you're saying. If you want your users to use
latest
On 10/12/2012 at 9:42 AM, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote:
Classy.
I wasn't going for classy ;) I was hoping to make an impact. But obviously
falling on deaf ears.
If anybody else is reading this car-crash thread, thank you for not voting for
Dan Mashal. This lad is clearly not material
...snip...
I'm going to call this subthread closed...
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On 12/08/2012 12:07 AM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
Completely agree on this one. In my day job we started using Fedora as one
of our desktop os. Then support issues and upgrade cycle started giving
nightmares to corp IT. They are looking at other avenues now. I really wish
there is a LTS
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 04:20:34PM -0500, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
are not worth paying support for. I suggested to RedHat that they
provide a graceful switch-over to CENTOS in such case: it's possible
manually anyway, so it would be a nice gesture to do it
automatically for customers who let
* Przemek Klosowski [10/12/2012 23:08] :
I suggested to RedHat that they
provide a graceful switch-over to CENTOS in such case
When you are considering migrating from distribution A to distribution B,
you're probably better off asking distribution B's
On 12/10/2012 09:40 PM, Casey Dahlin wrote:
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 04:20:34PM -0500, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
are not worth paying support for. I suggested to RedHat that they
provide a graceful switch-over to CENTOS in such case: it's possible
manually anyway, so it would be a nice gesture
2012/12/7 Tomas Radej tra...@redhat.com:
Hi everybody.
Disclaimer: This mail is written from the position of a Fedora
community member. Red Hat has nothing to do with this.
For those who doesn't bother reading this - stability vs. innovation rant.
Tomas, why don't you just use/recomment
On Sun, Dec 09, 2012 at 11:04:41AM +0300, Peter Lemenkov wrote:
2012/12/7 Tomas Radej tra...@redhat.com:
Hi everybody.
Disclaimer: This mail is written from the position of a Fedora
community member. Red Hat has nothing to do with this.
For those who doesn't bother reading this -
Fedora 14 works great still.
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 12:21 AM, Jukka Ruohonen jruoho...@iki.fi wrote:
On Sun, Dec 09, 2012 at 11:04:41AM +0300, Peter Lemenkov wrote:
2012/12/7 Tomas Radej tra...@redhat.com:
Hi everybody.
Disclaimer: This mail is written from the position of a Fedora
I dont care.
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 2:31 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.netwrote:
Am 09.12.2012 09:57, schrieb Dan Mashal:
Fedora 14 works great still.
and who the hell is fixing security bugs for your Fedora 14?
a osversion with a lot of known security holes can not work
great
Dan Mashal, please please please stop Top Posting!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_posting#Top-posting
You'd think someone running for a position on the board would know this by now?
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Subject: Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)
Dan Mashal, please please please stop Top Posting!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_posting#Top-posting
You'd think someone running for a position on the board would know this by now?
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On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 02:32:41 -0800
Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 2:31 AM, Reindl Harald
h.rei...@thelounge.netwrote:
and who the hell is fixing security bugs for your Fedora 14?
a osversion with a lot of known security holes can not work
great by
May I remind you that F14 is END OF LIFE? Sure I'd love for f14 to continue
getting updates. But it's not a long term support release.
Dan
On Sunday, December 9, 2012, Frank Murphy wrote:
On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 02:32:41 -0800
Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote:
On Sun, Dec 9,
The thread was already screwed.
Yes, I know about it. This will be a problem of the past soon enough.
Dan
You make it sound like you don't usually top post, but in other threads you
also top post:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-December/174781.html
May I remind you
On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 03:30:08 -0800
Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote:
May I remind you that F14 is END OF LIFE? Sure I'd love for f14 to
continue getting updates. But it's not a long term support
release.
Dan
Huh!,
Please read your own posts back in order.
Regards,
Frank
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Sorry if I came off as impolite. It's a bit late here. It's not like I love
top posting and getting on people's nerves.
Anyways, please continue making assumptions about who I really am instead
of looking at my townhall, questionnaire or goals and objectives laid out
on the wiki. I'm used to it.
On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 11:04:41 +0300
Peter Lemenkov lemen...@gmail.com wrote:
For those who doesn't bother reading this - stability vs.
innovation rant.
Tomas, why don't you just use/recomment stable distro?
Sometimes, you want innovation + stability.
I usually end up with xubuntu for those
make clear that you are the wrong person
for any responsiblity
people like you are the root cause for many problems in
the developemt all over the years
Original-Nachricht
Betreff:Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)
Datum: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 00:57:10 -0800
Von
On 09/12/2012 at 11:35 AM, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry if I came off as impolite. It's a bit late here. It's not
like I love
top posting and getting on people's nerves.
Anyways, please continue making assumptions about who I really am
instead
of looking at my townhall,
On Sat, Dec 08, 2012 at 05:12:27AM -0800, Dan Mashal wrote:
For example, the same thing happened with Gnome 3 upstream where a lot
of developers left the project due to a lack of a real vision or
direction.
Please don't rely in rant-like blog posts for your source of
information. In my
On Sat, Dec 08, 2012 at 05:31:54PM +0100, Michael Scherer wrote:
I would also add that if the switch to gnome 3 made enough people leave
the project, they would have gone to mate, and afaik, no one coding on
mate has a @gnome.org email. In fact, mate do take a lot of commits from
gnome :
Some
Am 09.12.2012 09:57, schrieb Dan Mashal:
Fedora 14 works great still.
and who the hell is fixing security bugs for your Fedora 14?
a osversion with a lot of known security holes can not work
great by definition and so because the 6 months release
cycle fedora should also respect the users
Am 09.12.2012 11:32, schrieb Dan Mashal:
I dont care.
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 2:31 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net
mailto:h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 09.12.2012 09:57, schrieb Dan Mashal:
Fedora 14 works great still.
and who the hell is fixing security bugs
in
the developemt all over the years
Original-Nachricht
Betreff:Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)
Datum: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 00:57:10 -0800
Von:Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com
Antwort an: Development discussions related to Fedora
devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
On 12/08/2012 07:52 PM, Rahul wrote:
On 12/08/2012 01:48 PM, Roberto Ragusa wrote:
(my two cents, as someone using Red Hat / Fedora daily since RH5.1, and
never stepping up as Fedora packager because too scared by the bureaucracy)
Can you be more specific? What sort of bureaucracy do you
On 12/09/2012 12:21 PM, Roberto Ragusa wrote:
I can only say that at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_package_collection_maintainers
23 steps are shown under Becoming a Fedora Package Collection
Maintainer. Some of them are technical and more or less unavoidable
(koji, expiring
] (was Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant))
On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 17:31:54 +0100
Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote:
...snip...
in fact speaking of more testing in rawhide, do you run rawhide ?
If not, maybe that's something that is part of the problem, and the
first step to a solution. IE
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 12:21 AM, Jukka Ruohonen jruoho...@iki.fi wrote:
Quite easy. Ubuntu LTS succeeds where Fedora (and normal Ubuntu) fails.
Moreover, extending the support cycle to five years was a brilliant move
from Ubuntu. Red Hat and its derivatives do not really compete in the same
2012/12/9 Roberto Ragusa m...@robertoragusa.it:
On 12/08/2012 07:52 PM, Rahul wrote:
On 12/08/2012 01:48 PM, Roberto Ragusa wrote:
(my two cents, as someone using Red Hat / Fedora daily since RH5.1, and
never stepping up as Fedora packager because too scared by the bureaucracy)
Can you be
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[mailto:devel-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Richard Vickery
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 11:10 AM
To: Development discussions related to Fedora
Subject: RE: [rawhide] (was Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant))
Hey Dan,
In all the given distributions in your post
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote:
MATE IS growing. And MATE developers are starting to contribute to Gnome. :)
Dan
So is Cinnamon. So is XMonad. So is spit Unity, for that matter.
What *doesn't* seem to be growing is LXDE, and I'm not sure about
XFCE,
On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote:
On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 17:31:54 +0100
Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote:
Just to highlight this... I intend to switch my laptop to rawhide and
run it and try and gather a like minded group of people to fix things
as they
Le dimanche 09 décembre 2012 à 15:18 -0800, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky a
écrit :
There's no way I can run my laptop on Rawhide - it's dual-booted with
Windows 8 Pro and Fedora 18. But I do have an ancient crash-and-burn
workstation I can run Rawhide on. It's currently dual-booted Fedora 18
and
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote:
Le dimanche 09 décembre 2012 à 15:18 -0800, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky a
écrit :
There's no way I can run my laptop on Rawhide - it's dual-booted with
Windows 8 Pro and Fedora 18. But I do have an ancient crash-and-burn
: devel-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org
[mailto:devel-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Ralf Corsepius
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 9:51 PM
To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)
On 12/08/2012 06:07 AM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
On Fri
2012/12/7 Tomas Radej tra...@redhat.com:
The threat for Fedora is that even in the FOSS, there is competition.
Distros are competing for users - users that give back, users that
report bugs, or users that are or become maintainers and developers.
When the overwhelming response to Fedora is
On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote:
This IS a rant. And this includes a few analogies. Some good, some bad.
This is one of the reasons why I chose to run for board.
Nobody really knows where Fedora is going. It's like a too many chefs problem.
We might not
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Clyde E. Kunkel clydekunkel7...@verizon.net
wrote:
I imagine it boils down to money since Fedora=free and RHEL=$$$.
Corporate suits will will weigh cost of Fedora support vs RHEL support and
decide accordingly.
Or if money is an issue use Centos.
Not
On Sunday, December 09, 2012 12:12 AM, Arun SAG wrote:
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Clyde E. Kunkel
clydekunkel7...@verizon.net mailto:clydekunkel7...@verizon.net wrote:
I imagine it boils down to money since Fedora=free and RHEL=$$$.
Corporate suits will will weigh cost of
On Sat, Dec 08, 2012 at 08:12:24 -0800,
Arun SAG saga...@gmail.com wrote:
Not really! We are already a customer of RHEL. Money is not the problem. We
want our users to use the latest software out there but we also want to
reduce the upgrade cycle.
You CANNOT disturb every developer in a
Le samedi 08 décembre 2012 à 05:12 -0800, Dan Mashal a écrit :
This IS a rant. And this includes a few analogies. Some good, some bad.
This is one of the reasons why I chose to run for board.
Nobody really knows where Fedora is going. It's like a too many chefs
problem.
Sometimes
On Sat, 2012-12-08 at 17:31 +0100, Michael Scherer wrote:
In my opinion the vision needs to be changed. It feels like Fedora has
turned into
Rawhide more than Fedora with 17 and even more so with 18.
You mean like people who are pushing features
On Sat, Dec 08, 2012 at 09:32:01AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
In general, adding packages in an update is actually a fairly safe thing
to do, as it's very unlikely to disturb any existing setups unless some
of those packages somehow provide stuff existing packages might depend
on. You have
On 12/08/2012 12:32 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
In general, adding packages in an update is actually a fairly safe
thing to do, as it's very unlikely to disturb any existing setups
unless some of those packages somehow provide stuff existing packages
might depend on. You have to explicitly
On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 17:31:54 +0100
Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote:
...snip...
in fact speaking of more testing in rawhide, do you run rawhide ?
If not, maybe that's something that is part of the problem, and the
first step to a solution. IE, someone should volunteer, and get enough
On 12/08/2012 05:31 PM, Michael Scherer wrote:
Le samedi 08 décembre 2012 à 05:12 -0800, Dan Mashal a écrit :
In fact, I never heard anyone complaining about kde is dying while the
numbers are much more worrisome :
http://www.ohloh.net/p/kde/contributors/summary
Maybe that's caused by
Le samedi 08 décembre 2012 à 09:32 -0800, Adam Williamson a écrit :
On Sat, 2012-12-08 at 17:31 +0100, Michael Scherer wrote:
In my opinion the vision needs to be changed. It feels like Fedora has
turned into
Rawhide more than Fedora with 17 and even more so with 18.
You mean
On 12/07/2012 08:26 PM, Mark Bidewell wrote:
It underscores the need for the base OS or core to be absolutely as small as
possible. FreeBSD provides a good model, small installed system customized
with packages/ports. Personally I would like to see a three-level approach:
Level 1
On 12/08/2012 01:48 PM, Roberto Ragusa wrote:
(my two cents, as someone using Red Hat / Fedora daily since RH5.1,
and never stepping up as Fedora packager because too scared by the
bureaucracy)
Can you be more specific? What sort of bureaucracy do you think is
avoidable in the current
Am 08.12.2012 17:19, schrieb Mathieu Bridon:
You CANNOT disturb every developer in a company to upgrade his box every
6 months.
You don't have to upgrade every 6 months.
I'm still running Fedora 16 at work because I haven't had time to upgrade
finally you have to
yes, you can from time
Am 08.12.2012 17:25, schrieb Bruno Wolff III:
On Sat, Dec 08, 2012 at 08:12:24 -0800,
Arun SAG saga...@gmail.com wrote:
Not really! We are already a customer of RHEL. Money is not the problem. We
want our users to use the latest software out there but we also want to
reduce the upgrade
Le samedi 08 décembre 2012 à 19:31 +0100, Ralf Corsepius a écrit :
On 12/08/2012 05:31 PM, Michael Scherer wrote:
Le samedi 08 décembre 2012 à 05:12 -0800, Dan Mashal a écrit :
In fact, I never heard anyone complaining about kde is dying while the
numbers are much more worrisome :
Of Kevin Fenzi
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Subject: [rawhide] (was Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant))
On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 17:31:54 +0100
Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote:
...snip...
in fact speaking of more testing in rawhide, do you run rawhide
, 2012 10:42 AM
To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)
Le samedi 08 décembre 2012 à 09:32 -0800, Adam Williamson a écrit :
On Sat, 2012-12-08 at 17:31 +0100, Michael Scherer wrote:
In my opinion the vision needs to be changed. It feels like Fedora
On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Roberto Ragusa m...@robertoragusa.itwrote:
On 12/07/2012 08:26 PM, Mark Bidewell wrote:
It underscores the need for the base OS or core to be absolutely as
small as possible. FreeBSD provides a good model, small installed system
customized with
On 12/08/2012 05:07 AM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Arun SAG saga...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 5:32 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com
wrote:
If we want to solve this we need to release an Fedora LTS release for our
and the potential
On 12/08/2012 05:51 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
My primary problem with Fedora isn't lack of stability, but lack of
API/ABI and UI-stability/persistence/sustainability between upgrades.
In other words, I can cope with the number of crashes upgrades
typically come along with, but the number
On 12/09/2012 12:20 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 12/08/2012 05:51 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
My primary problem with Fedora isn't lack of stability, but lack of
API/ABI and UI-stability/persistence/sustainability between upgrades.
In other words, I can cope with the number of crashes
Hi everybody.
Disclaimer: This mail is written from the position of a Fedora
community member. Red Hat has nothing to do with this.
I don't want to start yet another rant saying that everything is broken
and we'd be better off if we aped Debian. Absolutely not. I don't want
to put blame on
On 12/07/2012 12:53 PM, Tomas Radej wrote:
Hi everybody.
Disclaimer: This mail is written from the position of a Fedora
community member. Red Hat has nothing to do with this.
I don't want to start yet another rant saying that everything is broken
and we'd be better off if we aped Debian.
Il 07/12/2012 13:53, Tomas Radej ha scritto:
Hi everybody.
[...]
A Fedora contributor, Tomas Radej
From the moment I started using Fedora to now, I installed it on 41
different machines of different owners. The unique and most impotant
negative feedback I had it when I upgraded a system from
Ah the ol' Fedora stability improvement thread. It must be Friday. Ok,
I'll bite.
This sort of conversation often comes and goes without much being done.
Usually it consists of debates between three camps:
1. Those who see Fedora as an intrinsically unstable distro which
showcases and
On 12/07/2012 03:11 PM, Andrew Price wrote:
Ah the ol' Fedora stability improvement thread. It must be Friday. Ok,
I'll bite.
This sort of conversation often comes and goes without much being
done. Usually it consists of debates between three camps:
1. Those who see Fedora as an
On Fri, 2012-12-07 at 15:40 +0100, Caterpillar wrote:
The unique and most impotant negative feedback I had it when I
upgraded a system from Fedora 14 to 15, that was the upgrade from
Gnome 2 to Gnome 3.
…
Fedora community should test big transitions like Gnome 2-3 for a
longer period of time
On 12/07/2012 03:51 PM, David Woodhouse wrote:
On Fri, 2012-12-07 at 15:40 +0100, Caterpillar wrote:
The unique and most impotant negative feedback I had it when I
upgraded a system from Fedora 14 to 15, that was the upgrade from
Gnome 2 to Gnome 3.
…
Fedora community should test big
On Fri, 2012-12-07 at 16:47 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 12/07/2012 03:51 PM, David Woodhouse wrote:
On Fri, 2012-12-07 at 15:40 +0100, Caterpillar wrote:
The unique and most impotant negative feedback I had it when I
upgraded a system from Fedora 14 to 15, that was the upgrade
On Fri, Dec 07, 2012 at 03:11:31PM +, Andrew Price wrote:
Ah the ol' Fedora stability improvement thread. It must be Friday.
Ok, I'll bite.
This sort of conversation often comes and goes without much being
done. Usually it consists of debates between three camps:
1. Those who see
On Fri, Dec 07, 2012 at 01:53:50PM +0100, Tomas Radej wrote:
community, I am seeking support for a movement, both collective and
individual, that would improve communication, cooperation and generally
the life of Fedora on the most fundamental basis.
In case it's not clear, I'm in. :)
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On 12/07/2012 04:59 PM, Simo Sorce wrote:
On Fri, 2012-12-07 at 16:47 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 12/07/2012 03:51 PM, David Woodhouse wrote:
On Fri, 2012-12-07 at 15:40 +0100, Caterpillar wrote:
The unique and most impotant negative feedback I had it when I
upgraded a system from
On 07/12/12 17:48, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Fri, Dec 07, 2012 at 03:11:31PM +, Andrew Price wrote:
Ah the ol' Fedora stability improvement thread. It must be Friday.
Ok, I'll bite.
This sort of conversation often comes and goes without much being
done. Usually it consists of debates
On Fri, 2012-12-07 at 18:13 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 12/07/2012 04:59 PM, Simo Sorce wrote:
On Fri, 2012-12-07 at 16:47 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 12/07/2012 03:51 PM, David Woodhouse wrote:
On Fri, 2012-12-07 at 15:40 +0100, Caterpillar wrote:
The unique and
For example, making it so key applications and development stacks could
easily float from one base OS to the next would make it less of an issue
when the base OS needs to be upgraded.
Not sure I catch your drift here, but it sounds like it could cause API
mismatch headaches.
It
On 12/07/2012 06:58 PM, Simo Sorce wrote:
I do not care ab out arguing with him, I care to give advice to others
(if they care for my advice, feel free to fully ignore).
Don't follow that model, it's broken security wise, unless you keep your
machine disconnected from the network.
In the end
On 07.12.2012 14:08, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On
12/07/2012 06:58 PM, Simo Sorce wrote:
I do not care ab out
arguing with him, I care to give advice to others (if they care for my
advice, feel free to fully ignore). Don't follow that model, it's broken
security wise, unless you keep
On 12/07/2012 03:08 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
In the end if you are going to keep your machine secure et all you
have to keep it disconnected there will always be bugs which can be
exploited when you are network connected ;)
Smiley doesn't change the inane argument.
We don't with
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 5:32 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
johan...@gmail.comwrote:
If we want to solve this we need to release an Fedora LTS release for our
and the potential other user base that don't have to/want to update every
6 or 12 months.
Completely agree on this one. In my day job we
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Arun SAG saga...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 5:32 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com
wrote:
If we want to solve this we need to release an Fedora LTS release for our
and the potential other user base that don't have to/want to update
On 12/08/2012 12:07 AM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
snip
Why does there need to be a long-term support for Fedora? Why not just
use Red Hat Enterprise Linux?
I imagine it boils down to money since Fedora=free and RHEL=$$$.
Corporate suits will will weigh cost of Fedora support vs RHEL
On 12/08/2012 06:07 AM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Arun SAG saga...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 5:32 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com
wrote:
If we want to solve this we need to release an Fedora LTS release for our
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