Re: Why are we shipping debug builds of pythons?

2018-08-09 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 4.8.2018 22:25, Miro Hrončok wrote: Hi, an interesting discussion came up in the Python Maint team recently, about not shipping python3-debug and python2-debug. On the Chesterton's fence principle [0], I'd would like to know why are we building and shipping them before we have a

Re: Why are we shipping debug builds of pythons?

2018-08-09 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 4.8.2018 22:25, Miro Hrončok wrote: Hi, an interesting discussion came up in the Python Maint team recently, about not shipping python3-debug and python2-debug. On the Chesterton's fence principle [0], I'd would like to know why are we building and shipping them before we have a

Re: Why are we shipping debug builds of pythons?

2018-08-06 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Monday, 06 August 2018 at 18:29, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 17:30:02 +0200, David Malcolm wrote: > > On Mon, 2018-08-06 at 13:15 +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > > That confirms the whole OS "Checked Build" variant would solve even this > > > problem. > > > > Jan: In my view,

Re: Why are we shipping debug builds of pythons?

2018-08-06 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 17:30:02 +0200, David Malcolm wrote: > On Mon, 2018-08-06 at 13:15 +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > That confirms the whole OS "Checked Build" variant would solve even this > > problem. > > Jan: In my view, it's not a problem, it's a feature. An OS-wide > change wouldn't

Re: Why are we shipping debug builds of pythons?

2018-08-06 Thread John Dennis
On 08/06/2018 11:22 AM, David Malcolm wrote: On Sat, 2018-08-04 at 22:25 +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote: Hi, an interesting discussion came up in the Python Maint team recently, about not shipping python3-debug and python2-debug. On the Chesterton's fence principle [0], I'd would like to know why

Re: Why are we shipping debug builds of pythons?

2018-08-06 Thread David Malcolm
On Mon, 2018-08-06 at 13:15 +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 10:57:31 +0200, Petr Viktorin wrote: > > On 08/05/18 14:01, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > > That is all together messy. This is why Microsoft has their debug > > > build of > > > their whole OS - Windows - called Checked

Re: Why are we shipping debug builds of pythons?

2018-08-06 Thread David Malcolm
On Mon, 2018-08-06 at 13:15 +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 10:57:31 +0200, Petr Viktorin wrote: > > On 08/05/18 14:01, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > > That is all together messy. This is why Microsoft has their debug > > > build of > > > their whole OS - Windows - called Checked

Re: Why are we shipping debug builds of pythons?

2018-08-06 Thread David Malcolm
On Sat, 2018-08-04 at 22:25 +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote: > Hi, > > an interesting discussion came up in the Python Maint team recently, > about not shipping python3-debug and python2-debug. > > On the Chesterton's fence principle [0], I'd would like to know why > are > we building and shipping

Re: Why are we shipping debug builds of pythons?

2018-08-06 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 10:57:31 +0200, Petr Viktorin wrote: > On 08/05/18 14:01, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > That is all together messy. This is why Microsoft has their debug build of > > their whole OS - Windows - called Checked Build: > > > >

Re: Why are we shipping debug builds of pythons?

2018-08-06 Thread Petr Viktorin
On 08/05/18 14:01, Jan Kratochvil wrote: On Sun, 05 Aug 2018 13:39:58 +0200, Charalampos Stratakis wrote: Here we are referring to the python2-debug or python3-debug builds, which are just extra python builds that are compiled with the --with-pydebug flag Not just --with-pydebug:

Re: Why are we shipping debug builds of pythons?

2018-08-06 Thread Petr Viktorin
On 08/05/18 14:01, Jan Kratochvil wrote: On Sun, 05 Aug 2018 13:39:58 +0200, Charalampos Stratakis wrote: Here we are referring to the python2-debug or python3-debug builds, which are just extra python builds that are compiled with the --with-pydebug flag Not just --with-pydebug:

Re: Why are we shipping debug builds of pythons?

2018-08-05 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 05 Aug 2018 13:39:58 +0200, Charalampos Stratakis wrote: > Here we are referring to the python2-debug or python3-debug builds, which > are just extra python builds that are compiled with the --with-pydebug flag Not just --with-pydebug:

Re: Why are we shipping debug builds of pythons?

2018-08-05 Thread Charalampos Stratakis
- Original Message - > From: "Troy Curtis Jr" > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Cc: "Fedora Python SIG" > Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 3:44:39 AM > Subject: Re: Why are we shipping debug builds of pythons? >

Re: Why are we shipping debug builds of pythons?

2018-08-05 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 5.8.2018 03:20, Sérgio Basto wrote: On Sat, 2018-08-04 at 22:25 +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote: Hi, an interesting discussion came up in the Python Maint team recently, about not shipping python3-debug and python2-debug. On the Chesterton's fence principle [0], I'd would like to know why are we

Re: Why are we shipping debug builds of pythons?

2018-08-05 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 5.8.2018 03:20, Sérgio Basto wrote: On Sat, 2018-08-04 at 22:25 +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote: Hi, an interesting discussion came up in the Python Maint team recently, about not shipping python3-debug and python2-debug. On the Chesterton's fence principle [0], I'd would like to know why are we

Re: Why are we shipping debug builds of pythons?

2018-08-04 Thread Troy Curtis Jr
On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 5:16 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > Hi, > > an interesting discussion came up in the Python Maint team recently, > about not shipping python3-debug and python2-debug. > > On the Chesterton's fence principle [0], I'd would like to know why are > we building and shipping them

Re: Why are we shipping debug builds of pythons?

2018-08-04 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Sat, 2018-08-04 at 22:25 +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote: > Hi, > > an interesting discussion came up in the Python Maint team recently, > about not shipping python3-debug and python2-debug. > > On the Chesterton's fence principle [0], I'd would like to know why > are > we building and shipping

Why are we shipping debug builds of pythons?

2018-08-04 Thread Miro Hrončok
Hi, an interesting discussion came up in the Python Maint team recently, about not shipping python3-debug and python2-debug. On the Chesterton's fence principle [0], I'd would like to know why are we building and shipping them before we have a discussion about their removal to save build