Re: against dnssec

2015-01-18 Thread Neal Becker
Paul Wouters wrote: On Sat, 17 Jan 2015, Björn Persson wrote: Both CAs and DNSSEC can be attacked by governments in different ways. The author thinks that DNSSEC is more vulnerable. I happen to disagree, but more importantly, those who feel that they need to can secure their keys both

Re: against dnssec

2015-01-18 Thread Alexander Bokovoy
On Sat, 17 Jan 2015, Paul Wouters wrote: Furthermore, government control is a simplistic overstatement. For one, some government is in control of the TLD to begin with. They can yank your domain or serve it with arbitrary content, regardless of whether your certificate is validated by CA/PKIX or

Re: against dnssec

2015-01-18 Thread Björn Persson
Neal Becker wrote: This quote caught my attention: DNSSEC deployment guides go so far as to recommend against deployment of DNSSEC validation on end-systems. Where are those guides, who wrote them, and what are their arguments against local validation? So significant is the inclination against

Re: against dnssec

2015-01-18 Thread Paul Wouters
On Sun, 18 Jan 2015, Neal Becker wrote: The articles author has responded here: http://sockpuppet.org/stuff/dnssec-qa.html This quote caught my attention: DNSSEC deployment guides go so far as to recommend against deployment of DNSSEC validation on end-systems. So significant is the

Re: against dnssec

2015-01-17 Thread Björn Persson
Neal Becker wrote: I personally know nothing of the subject, but found this article, I wonder if there's any truth here? If so, maybe the push for dnssec on f22 isn't as wonderful as supposed: http://sockpuppet.org/blog/2015/01/15/against-dnssec/ DNSSEC is Unnecessary His argument seems

Re: against dnssec

2015-01-17 Thread Paul Wouters
On Sat, 17 Jan 2015, Björn Persson wrote: Both CAs and DNSSEC can be attacked by governments in different ways. The author thinks that DNSSEC is more vulnerable. I happen to disagree, but more importantly, those who feel that they need to can secure their keys both through DANE and with a

Re: against dnssec

2015-01-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 18.01.2015 um 03:43 schrieb Kevin Kofler: Reindl Harald wrote: in fact DNSSEC is the prerequisite for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS-based_Authentication_of_Named_Entities which has the potential to replace the horrible need of CA signed certificates for SSL which are in fact *completly*

Re: against dnssec

2015-01-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Reindl Harald wrote: in fact DNSSEC is the prerequisite for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS-based_Authentication_of_Named_Entities which has the potential to replace the horrible need of CA signed certificates for SSL which are in fact *completly* unrelieable because every random of the

Re: against dnssec

2015-01-17 Thread Paul Wouters
On Sun, 18 Jan 2015, Kevin Kofler wrote: This is becoming rather of-topic for DNS. I think they key thing to remember is that DNSSEC reduces the number of parties that can send malicious or forged DNS messages from infinite to a few and where these few are also part of the current infinite.

Re: against dnssec: Is DNSSEC a Government-Controlled PKI?

2015-01-16 Thread Petr Spacek
://sockpuppet.org/blog/2015/01/15/against-dnssec/ Considerable amount of commentary on this article here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8894902 Wow, it seems that DNSSEC topic joined The Flamewar Club and will have its place next to Windows x *nix flamewars :-) Tomas Hozza and me

Re: against dnssec

2015-01-15 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 07:45:00PM -0500, Neal Becker wrote: I personally know nothing of the subject, but found this article, I wonder if there's any truth here? If so, maybe the push for dnssec on f22 isn't as wonderful as supposed: http://sockpuppet.org/blog/2015/01/15/against-dnssec

against dnssec

2015-01-15 Thread Neal Becker
I personally know nothing of the subject, but found this article, I wonder if there's any truth here? If so, maybe the push for dnssec on f22 isn't as wonderful as supposed: http://sockpuppet.org/blog/2015/01/15/against-dnssec/ -- -- Those who don't understand recursion are doomed to repeat

Re: against dnssec

2015-01-15 Thread Paul Wouters
if there's any truth here? If so, maybe the push for dnssec on f22 isn't as wonderful as supposed: http://sockpuppet.org/blog/2015/01/15/against-dnssec/ -- -- Those who don't understand recursion are doomed to repeat it -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https

Re: against dnssec

2015-01-15 Thread Reindl Harald
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