Re: intent to retire Scratch

[Miroslav Suchý]

Dne 29.1.2016 v 19:51 Matthew Miller napsal(a):
> I'd like to let go of ownership of the package, and unless someone else
> really wants to invest time into it, I think retiring it completely is
> the way to go.

I still use this program. And it has no glitches on 32 arch. Until there is new 
open source version of Scratch or
someone package Snap! (and add there some costumes and backgrounds) then the 
Scratch is still the best tool.
I'm willing to take over the ownership. Just retire it and I will take it.

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Re: intent to retire Scratch

[Matthew Miller]

On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 10:26:13AM +0100, Miroslav Suchý wrote:
> I still use this program. And it has no glitches on 32 arch. Until there is 
> new open source version of Scratch or
> someone package Snap! (and add there some costumes and backgrounds) then the 
> Scratch is still the best tool.
> I'm willing to take over the ownership. Just retire it and I will take it.

Sold! Thanks.

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Re: intent to retire Scratch

[Jonathan Underwood]

On 29 January 2016 at 18:51, Matthew Miller  wrote:
> Several years ago, I packaged up Scratch 1.4 -- the visual programming
> language for kids. However, it never really worked perfectly (it's not
> 64 bit clean) and upstream for this line is dead (as Scratch 2.0 is
> based on Adobe Air -- and hopefully _soon_ HTML5).
>

As an aside, there's a fork here rebasing Scratch 2.0 to use OpenFL,
which looks like a promising direction to go in:

https://github.com/openfl/scratch-openfl
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Re: intent to retire Scratch

[Matthew Miller]

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 12:45:30AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> I don't think working software (even if not perfect, but what software is?) 
> should be dropped from the distribution like that, ESPECIALLY for software 
> like this that involves user data (programs in this case). You should at 
> least follow the normal orphaning process and give others a chance to pick 
> up the package.

That's what I'm doing, yes. However, it's also worth being aware of the
dead upstream and the very painful preferred form for modification,
which is a Squeak image.



> I would also like to point out that as long as Scratch 2.0 depends on Adobe 
> Air, it is a no-go in a Free Software universe, and as such 1.4 is the 
> latest usable version.

Yes, I'm aware.

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Re: intent to retire Scratch

[Jonathan Dieter]

On Fri, 2016-01-29 at 13:51 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> Several years ago, I packaged up Scratch 1.4 -- the visual
> programming
> language for kids. However, it never really worked perfectly (it's
> not
> 64 bit clean) and upstream for this line is dead (as Scratch 2.0 is
> based on Adobe Air -- and hopefully _soon_ HTML5).
> 
> I'd like to let go of ownership of the package, and unless someone
> else
> really wants to invest time into it, I think retiring it completely
> is
> the way to go.

FWIW, I'm using Scratch on Fedora to teach programming at our school
(based on your recommendation at DevConf 2014), but we're currently
using a custom RPM that contains Scratch 2.0, the Adobe Air version.
1.4 was just too buggy (and was also missing some features that kids
were using on Scratch 2.0 on their Windows systems at home).

I'd say, "Let it go."  And then burst into one of my daughters'
favorite songs.

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Re: intent to retire Scratch

[Sandro Bonazzola]

Il 30/Gen/2016 15:54, "Matthew Miller"  ha
scritto:
>
> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 08:45:20AM +0100, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
> > > Several years ago, I packaged up Scratch 1.4 -- the visual programming
> > > language for kids. However, it never really worked perfectly (it's not
> > > 64 bit clean) and upstream for this line is dead (as Scratch 2.0 is
> > > based on Adobe Air -- and hopefully _soon_ HTML5).
> > Can you quantify _soon? If it's soon enough maybe you can wait for 2.0
with
> > html 5.
>
> I think it's "soon" in the Duke Nukem Forever sense.

Ok. So even if I like scratch 1 at coderdojo (2 doesn't work well with
Arduino ) not worth to keep it.

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Re: intent to retire Scratch

[Matthew Miller]

On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 08:45:20AM +0100, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
> > Several years ago, I packaged up Scratch 1.4 -- the visual programming
> > language for kids. However, it never really worked perfectly (it's not
> > 64 bit clean) and upstream for this line is dead (as Scratch 2.0 is
> > based on Adobe Air -- and hopefully _soon_ HTML5).
> Can you quantify _soon? If it's soon enough maybe you can wait for 2.0 with
> html 5.

I think it's "soon" in the Duke Nukem Forever sense.


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Re: intent to retire Scratch

[Kevin Kofler]

Matthew Miller wrote:
> Several years ago, I packaged up Scratch 1.4 -- the visual programming
> language for kids. However, it never really worked perfectly (it's not
> 64 bit clean) and upstream for this line is dead (as Scratch 2.0 is
> based on Adobe Air -- and hopefully _soon_ HTML5).
>
> I'd like to let go of ownership of the package, and unless someone else
> really wants to invest time into it, I think retiring it completely is
> the way to go.

I don't think working software (even if not perfect, but what software is?) 
should be dropped from the distribution like that, ESPECIALLY for software 
like this that involves user data (programs in this case). You should at 
least follow the normal orphaning process and give others a chance to pick 
up the package.

I would also like to point out that as long as Scratch 2.0 depends on Adobe 
Air, it is a no-go in a Free Software universe, and as such 1.4 is the 
latest usable version.

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Re: intent to retire Scratch

[Sandro Bonazzola]

Il 29/Gen/2016 19:51, "Matthew Miller"  ha
scritto:
>
> Several years ago, I packaged up Scratch 1.4 -- the visual programming
> language for kids. However, it never really worked perfectly (it's not
> 64 bit clean) and upstream for this line is dead (as Scratch 2.0 is
> based on Adobe Air -- and hopefully _soon_ HTML5).

Can you quantify _soon? If it's soon enough maybe you can wait for 2.0 with
html 5.

>
> I'd like to let go of ownership of the package, and unless someone else
> really wants to invest time into it, I think retiring it completely is
> the way to go.
>
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intent to retire Scratch

[Matthew Miller]

Several years ago, I packaged up Scratch 1.4 -- the visual programming
language for kids. However, it never really worked perfectly (it's not
64 bit clean) and upstream for this line is dead (as Scratch 2.0 is
based on Adobe Air -- and hopefully _soon_ HTML5).

I'd like to let go of ownership of the package, and unless someone else
really wants to invest time into it, I think retiring it completely is
the way to go.

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