Re: maybe a path forward for java and modules? [was Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)]

2020-09-19 Thread Fabio Valentini
On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 5:30 PM David Cantrell wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 12:51:46PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > >On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 11:01:00AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > >> If one of the issues here can be stated as "we want buildroot-only > >> packages because we don't want

Re: maybe a path forward for java and modules? [was Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)]

2020-09-18 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 12:51:46PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 11:01:00AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: If one of the issues here can be stated as "we want buildroot-only packages because we don't want to maintain those packages to a high standard", it is demonstrably a

Re: maybe a path forward for java and modules? [was Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)]

2020-09-18 Thread Petr Pisar
On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 12:21:15PM +0200, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > On Friday, 18 September 2020 at 11:22, Petr Pisar wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 12:51:46PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > > > So: RH Java packagers, what if you build these packages as non-modular > > >

Re: maybe a path forward for java and modules? [was Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)]

2020-09-18 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Friday, 18 September 2020 at 11:22, Petr Pisar wrote: > On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 12:51:46PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > > So: RH Java packagers, what if you build these packages as non-modular > > (maybe using some scripting to make it happen at the same time as modular > > builds?) and

Re: maybe a path forward for java and modules? [was Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)]

2020-09-18 Thread Petr Pisar
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 12:51:46PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > So: RH Java packagers, what if you build these packages as non-modular > (maybe using some scripting to make it happen at the same time as modular > builds?) and add a readme explaining their maintenance state? Do you mean

Re: maybe a path forward for java and modules? [was Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)]

2020-09-18 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 02:16:11AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Matthew Miller wrote: > > I mean, some of y'all like to maintain and keep obscure dependency > > packages up to date just for their own sake, and that's *awesome* -- but > > we just can't hold everyone to that standard. At least, not

Re: maybe a path forward for java and modules? [was Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)]

2020-09-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matthew Miller wrote: > I mean, some of y'all like to maintain and keep obscure dependency > packages up to date just for their own sake, and that's *awesome* -- but > we just can't hold everyone to that standard. At least, not if we want > more than a few dozen packagers. That is a pretty strong

Re: maybe a path forward for java and modules? [was Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)]

2020-09-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2020-09-17 at 13:30 -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 at 12:53, Matthew Miller > wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 11:01:00AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > If one of the issues here can be stated as "we want buildroot-only > > > packages because we don't

Re: maybe a path forward for java and modules? [was Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)]

2020-09-17 Thread Jeff Fearn
On 18/9/20 03:43, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 01:30:26PM -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: >> 'its broke' >> 'yes I know its broke.. I just need the header files' >> 'well I need it to work' 'well fix it yourself' >> 'no that is your job.. it says you OWN THE PACKAGE'. >> 'I

Re: maybe a path forward for java and modules? [was Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)]

2020-09-17 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 01:30:26PM -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > 'its broke' > 'yes I know its broke.. I just need the header files' > 'well I need it to work' 'well fix it yourself' > 'no that is your job.. it says you OWN THE PACKAGE'. > 'I just own it to build foobar' > 'too bad.. i am

Re: maybe a path forward for java and modules? [was Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)]

2020-09-17 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 at 12:53, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 11:01:00AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > If one of the issues here can be stated as "we want buildroot-only > > packages because we don't want to maintain those packages to a high > > standard", it is demonstrably

maybe a path forward for java and modules? [was Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)]

2020-09-17 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 11:01:00AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > If one of the issues here can be stated as "we want buildroot-only > packages because we don't want to maintain those packages to a high > standard", it is demonstrably a viable choice within Fedora to just > *not maintain those