Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-10 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.03.2012 06:19, schrieb Chris Murphy: The one anomaly is the 3rd ext4 copy. Maybe it wasn't quite done writing out the 2nd copy? this usually happens without explicit sync Compared to btrfs and XFS, there was a lot of intermittent disk activity well after the copy had finished -

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-09 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 9, 2012, at 12:30 AM, Matthias Runge wrote: if your file system places data inefficiently on disk/storage, you want to measure this, too. If you're comparing file system speed, I think, you should measure the whole thing and be sure to create comparable data. The source files are

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-09 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 03/09/2012 01:43 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 22:19 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: I'm not sure how useful 'time' is as a benchmark for file copies. Don't file transfers get cached and return to a console as 'complete' long before the data is ever written, sometimes? I'm

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-09 Thread David Quigley
On 03/09/2012 08:42, Przemek Klosowski wrote: On 03/09/2012 01:43 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 22:19 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: I'm not sure how useful 'time' is as a benchmark for file copies. Don't file transfers get cached and return to a console as 'complete' long

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-09 Thread Josef Bacik
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 10:11 AM, David Quigley seli...@davequigley.com wrote: On 03/09/2012 08:42, Przemek Klosowski wrote: On 03/09/2012 01:43 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 22:19 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: I'm not sure how useful 'time' is as a benchmark for file copies.

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-09 Thread David Quigley
On 03/09/2012 11:00, Josef Bacik wrote: On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 10:11 AM, David Quigley seli...@davequigley.com wrote: On 03/09/2012 08:42, Przemek Klosowski wrote: On 03/09/2012 01:43 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 22:19 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: I'm not sure how useful

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-08 Thread Chris Murphy
I'm not sure how useful 'time' is as a benchmark for file copies. But that's what I used getting copy time for a folder containing 325 ~7.2MB files (DNGs) totaling 2.3G. First I copied the files to tmpfs, and made all copies from that to the destination. Destination device and partition is

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-08 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 22:19 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: I'm not sure how useful 'time' is as a benchmark for file copies. Don't file transfers get cached and return to a console as 'complete' long before the data is ever written, sometimes? I'm pretty sure you sometimes hit the case where you

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-08 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 8, 2012, at 11:43 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 22:19 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: I'm not sure how useful 'time' is as a benchmark for file copies. Don't file transfers get cached and return to a console as 'complete' long before the data is ever written, sometimes?

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-08 Thread Matthias Runge
On 09/03/12 07:43, Adam Williamson wrote: Don't file transfers get cached and return to a console as 'complete' long before the data is ever written, sometimes? I've learned a long time ago, if you want to get near real numbers, you have to write data at least three times larger than memory

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-08 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 9, 2012, at 12:10 AM, Matthias Runge wrote: On 09/03/12 07:43, Adam Williamson wrote: Don't file transfers get cached and return to a console as 'complete' long before the data is ever written, sometimes? I've learned a long time ago, if you want to get near real numbers, you have

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-08 Thread Matthias Runge
On 09/03/12 08:13, Chris Murphy wrote: OK well if I'm going to use real files, and I don't want disk read performance to be a factor in this, I kinda need to put the source files into a ramdisk. So if it's 3x of cache, out of 7.4G free, a 6G ramdisk would be at least 3x that of what remains

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-07 Thread Nelson Marques
If your stuff depends on IO, you should give XFS a try :) 2012/3/2 Richard Shaw hobbes1...@gmail.com: 2012/3/2 Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com: More frightening benchmarks are shown here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FegjLbCnoBw That was a pretty cool video. Makes me want to try XFS

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-07 Thread drago01
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Nelson Marques nmo.marq...@gmail.com wrote: If your stuff depends on IO, you should give XFS a try :) Assuming you are not talking about a desktop system just buy a ssd and never worry about I/O every again. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-07 Thread drago01
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:30 PM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Nelson Marques nmo.marq...@gmail.com wrote: If your stuff depends on IO, you should give XFS a try :) Assuming you are not talking about a desktop system just buy a ssd and never worry about I/O

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-07 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 7, 2012, at 2:31 PM, drago01 wrote: Assuming you are talking about a desktop system just buy a ssd and never worry about I/O ever again. Well, most of my colleagues and customers with desktop systems have rather extreme storage requirements. Individual files multi gigabyte composited

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-07 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Chris Murphy wrote: Well, most of my colleagues and customers with desktop systems have rather extreme storage requirements. Individual files multi gigabyte composited image files. So an SSD is nice for speed, but cost prohibitive for everything to be stored on SSD. What they need is a file

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-07 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 7, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Yes, such a feature was submitted[1], but it has never been committed by Chris AFAIK. There is also a OS-agnostic method of this. Seagate XT drives use a small SSD as a cache. Then there is also a Windows method with Intel's SSD Cache

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-07 Thread drago01
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: On Mar 7, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Yes, such a feature was submitted[1], but it has never been committed by Chris AFAIK. There is also a OS-agnostic method of this. Seagate XT drives use a small

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-07 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 7, 2012, at 3:31 PM, drago01 wrote: On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: On Mar 7, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Yes, such a feature was submitted[1], but it has never been committed by Chris AFAIK. There is also a OS-agnostic

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-07 Thread John Reiser
I think I'd rather see a portion of the SSD be a discrete device so that the system and application scratch/swap can be pointed to it - rather than as cache. I'm not sure that this data would always stay hot enough to be assured of being in an SSD cache, whereas a discretely defined device

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-07 Thread drago01
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: On Mar 7, 2012, at 3:31 PM, drago01 wrote: On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: On Mar 7, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Yes, such a feature was

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-07 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 7, 2012, at 3:58 PM, drago01 wrote: It will come to a complete crawl which was exactly my point, faster storage does not really help you in that situation. Umm, that would seem to be fundamentally broken. I certainly haven't had this experience on Mac OS X in cases where it has

phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-02 Thread Neal Becker
Be careful what you wish for. btrfs is not a clear win on performance. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=linux_33_btrfsnum=1 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-02 Thread Michał Piotrowski
Hi, 2012/3/2 Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com: Be careful what you wish for.  btrfs is not a clear win on performance. More frightening benchmarks are shown here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FegjLbCnoBw This does not surprise me. Btrfs has more features than Ext4, so it may be slower. If

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-02 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 11:33:28AM -0500, Neal Becker wrote: Be careful what you wish for. btrfs is not a clear win on performance. [...] phoronix.com [...] Be careful what you believe. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones New in Fedora