rawhide rocks! [was Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)]

2010-08-30 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:11:06PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: A typical developer wants the dependencies of the software they are working on to be _very_ up to date - probably not the upstream development version, but the upstream maintenance version with _all_ current bug fixes. Waiting 6

Re: rawhide rocks! [was Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)]

2010-08-30 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Matthew Miller píše v Po 30. 08. 2010 v 18:56 -0400: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:11:06PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: A typical developer wants the dependencies of the software they are working on to be _very_ up to date - probably not the upstream development version, but the upstream

Re: rawhide rocks! [was Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)]

2010-08-30 Thread darrell pfeifer
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 15:56, Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:11:06PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: A typical developer wants the dependencies of the software they are working on to be _very_ up to date - probably not the upstream development version, but

Re: rawhide rocks! [was Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)]

2010-08-30 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 01:05:34AM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: No, for rawhide to really be useful, it must be possible to put unfinished system-wide changes in there: it would be pretty much impossible to integrate systemd into the distribution on a branch, and to add it into rawhide only

Re: rawhide rocks! [was Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)]

2010-08-30 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 04:30:44PM -0700, darrell pfeifer wrote: I've moved from being a rawhide junkie to a koji junkie. I've been in that mode for the last five or six years. My experience has been that rawhide is most unstable just around alpha time. That is no longer the case. See:

Re: rawhide rocks! [was Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)]

2010-08-30 Thread Jon Masters
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 19:52 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 04:30:44PM -0700, darrell pfeifer wrote: I've moved from being a rawhide junkie to a koji junkie. I've been in that mode for the last five or six years. My experience has been that rawhide is most unstable just