Re: shutdown failure/delay (was: Note on 'systemd-216-9')

2014-11-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2014-11-05 at 02:56 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
 Adam Williamson composed on 2014-11-04 23:22 (UTC-0800):
 
  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1123170 , I never have time
  to investigate it properly and provide details - sorry about that. But I
  guess the same way of thinking would say the timer is a 'step in the
  right direction' for me because my system will eventually give up and
  hard power off after 30 minutes - but does that really practically make
  me feel like I'm getting a better experience?
 
 I've seen shutdown delays on various installations going back to when systemd
 was very young.

That's not my bug.
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Re: shutdown failure/delay (was: Note on 'systemd-216-9')

2014-11-04 Thread Felix Miata
Adam Williamson composed on 2014-11-04 23:22 (UTC-0800):

 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1123170 , I never have time
 to investigate it properly and provide details - sorry about that. But I
 guess the same way of thinking would say the timer is a 'step in the
 right direction' for me because my system will eventually give up and
 hard power off after 30 minutes - but does that really practically make
 me feel like I'm getting a better experience?

I've seen shutdown delays on various installations going back to when systemd
was very young. Often they seem to stem from start processes that reported
failure at init time, so at shutdown time, instead of stop jobs, I see
*start* jobs stalling.

One of the easier ways to cause a shutdown delay is to try to CAD right after
making a boot menu selection and realizing I chose the wrong one. That
typically will hang with message failed to store sound card state, and
continually repeat for as long as CAD is held down. It doesn't happen on
every installation, but it is common. Rather than trying to troubleshoot any
of these hangs I invariably have more urgent things to do and reach for the
reset button or power switch.
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