On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 04:21:51PM +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 08:18:12AM -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Lennart Poettering
mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
On Mon, 23.02.15 08:45, Nico Kadel-Garcia (nka...@gmail.com)
On Mon, 2015-03-02 at 08:42 -0800, Brian C. Lane wrote:
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 04:21:51PM +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 08:18:12AM -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Lennart Poettering
mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
On
On Mon, 2 Mar 2015 08:42:25 -0800
Brian C. Lane b...@redhat.com wrote:
The underlying problem here is that it isn't just created when it is
missing. It is created *before* other tools have a chance to create
it. As I explained in 1197204 the boot.iso is created without a
/etc/resolv.conf,
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia nka...@gmail.com wrote:
Look, deciding to ignore the File System Hierarchy for installing
config files and creating new locations to store system configuration
is part of what killed the old daemontools init system replacement.
tool. You and
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Lennart Poettering
mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
On Mon, 23.02.15 08:45, Nico Kadel-Garcia (nka...@gmail.com) wrote:
[ notes snipped, ]
You know, that systemd creates a symlink if the file is missing is not
going to change behaviour of anything, since it will
On 02/27/2015 01:18 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Lennart Poettering
mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
On Mon, 23.02.15 08:45, Nico Kadel-Garcia (nka...@gmail.com) wrote:
[ notes snipped, ]
You know, that systemd creates a symlink if the file is missing is not
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 08:18:12AM -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Lennart Poettering
mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
On Mon, 23.02.15 08:45, Nico Kadel-Garcia (nka...@gmail.com) wrote:
[ notes snipped, ]
You know, that systemd creates a symlink if the file
Am 26.02.2015 um 16:37 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
On 02/26/2015 02:10 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
really?
why?
how do you come to that weird conclusion?
surely, one can say not my package, not my problem but that's
ignorant and needs no guidelines and policies - sanity should be enough
I
On 02/26/2015 02:10 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
really?
why?
how do you come to that weird conclusion?
surely, one can say not my package, not my problem but that's
ignorant and needs no guidelines and policies - sanity should be enough
I guess you did not grasp I was referring to the
On 02/26/2015 03:49 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
and without the ownership model it would have been prevented
what model would you use?
you can't only say that model is wrong without any alternative
I have already mentioned alternative before no need to repeat that
proposal to you.
Bottom
On 02/26/2015 03:58 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 26.02.2015 um 16:54 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
On 02/26/2015 03:49 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
and without the ownership model it would have been prevented
what model would you use?
you can't only say that model is wrong without any
Am 26.02.2015 um 16:54 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
On 02/26/2015 03:49 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
and without the ownership model it would have been prevented
what model would you use?
you can't only say that model is wrong without any alternative
I have already mentioned alternative
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 05:13:53PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
Sure I have a stake in systemd, but certainly none in
fedora-release.rpm. But even for systemd, there are a number of people
Sorry for the somewhat slow reply, but I've been thinking about all of
this I guess, primarily,
Am 26.02.2015 um 15:05 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
On 02/26/2015 01:29 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 05:13:53PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
Sure I have a stake in systemd, but certainly none in
fedora-release.rpm. But even for systemd, there are a number of people
On 02/26/2015 01:29 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 05:13:53PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
Sure I have a stake in systemd, but certainly none in
fedora-release.rpm. But even for systemd, there are a number of people
Sorry for the somewhat slow reply, but I've been
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Lennart Poettering
mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
On Fri, 20.02.15 16:24, Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) wrote:
Sorry for the inconvenience and feel free to add bugs to the tracker,
which are
caused by systemd changes and have to be fixed in other
On Mon, 2015-02-23 at 14:40 +0100, drago01 wrote:
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:17 PM, David Cantrell dcantr...@redhat.com wrote:
That is, and I am trying to
be specific here, changes that impact other components in the distribution
need to be coordinated in Fedora among the affected
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 08:45:56AM -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Lennart Poettering
mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
On Fri, 20.02.15 16:24, Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) wrote:
Sorry for the inconvenience and feel free to add bugs to the tracker,
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:17 PM, David Cantrell dcantr...@redhat.com wrote:
That is, and I am trying to
be specific here, changes that impact other components in the distribution
need to be coordinated in Fedora among the affected components.
Almost every change might affect other components
On Fri, 20.02.15 11:48, Dennis Gilmore (den...@ausil.us) wrote:
While moving it is great, it's not really that important to move it.
I mean, moving it is useful in the context of stateless systems that
can boot up with empty /etc. However, Fedora is so far away from that,
that we have
On Fri, 20.02.15 11:49, Dennis Gilmore (den...@ausil.us) wrote:
A recent example, systemd decided that os-release needed to be
moved to /usr/lib/ I did not see any notification on devel@ nor
was i contacted directly. the first I heard of it was a third
party person filing a bug
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 01:23:01PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Fri, 20.02.15 11:48, Dennis Gilmore (den...@ausil.us) wrote:
While moving it is great, it's not really that important to move it.
I mean, moving it is useful in the context of stateless systems that
can boot up
On Mon, 23.02.15 08:17, David Cantrell (dcantr...@redhat.com) wrote:
Communication is a two way street, and as an upstream I cannot be in
the business of pinging every single downstream about every single
change individually, in particular if I consider the change
unimportant.
To
On Mon, 23.02.15 08:45, Nico Kadel-Garcia (nka...@gmail.com) wrote:
Hey! Come on. Everything that systemd does is create a symlink for
/etc/resolv.conf if nothing else has created on for that. If something
else created and owned that file, it leaves the thing alone. That's
all. It's very
On Mon, 23.02.15 08:52, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote:
On Mon, 2015-02-23 at 14:40 +0100, drago01 wrote:
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:17 PM, David Cantrell dcantr...@redhat.com
wrote:
That is, and I am trying to
be specific here, changes that impact other components in the
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 04:27:22PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 23.02.15 08:17, David Cantrell (dcantr...@redhat.com) wrote:
Communication is a two way street, and as an upstream I cannot be in
the business of pinging every single downstream about every single
change
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:04:13AM -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:36:17 +0100
Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
On Fri, 20.02.15 16:24, Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) wrote:
Sorry for the inconvenience and feel free to add bugs to the
On Mon, 2015-02-23 at 16:29 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 23.02.15 08:52, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote:
On Mon, 2015-02-23 at 14:40 +0100, drago01 wrote:
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:17 PM, David Cantrell dcantr...@redhat.com
wrote:
That is, and I am trying to
be
Hi
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
And seriously, Rahul Sundaram is hardly a third party person. He's one
of the active maintainers of systemd package, which you can easily
check in the pkgdb, as well as your colleague from Red Hat.
Neither is correct
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 7:43 AM, Lennart Poettering
mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
On Mon, 23.02.15 08:45, Nico Kadel-Garcia (nka...@gmail.com) wrote:
Hey! Come on. Everything that systemd does is create a symlink for
/etc/resolv.conf if nothing else has created on for that. If something
else
On Mon, 23.02.15 10:52, David Cantrell (dcantr...@redhat.com) wrote:
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 04:27:22PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 23.02.15 08:17, David Cantrell (dcantr...@redhat.com) wrote:
Communication is a two way street, and as an upstream I cannot be in
the
There are patches waiting in:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1116651
And I think almost every poster so far in this thread has the technical
knowledge to review them.
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On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 07:56:50AM -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 7:43 AM, Lennart Poettering
mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
On Mon, 23.02.15 08:45, Nico Kadel-Garcia (nka...@gmail.com) wrote:
Hey! Come on. Everything that systemd does is create a symlink for
Communication is a two way street, and as an upstream I cannot be in
the business of pinging every single downstream about every single
change individually, in particular if I consider the change
unimportant.
Sure, that makes sense.
To learn about changes upstream, please follow the
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 04:02:50PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote:
There are patches waiting in:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1116651
And I think almost every poster so far in this thread has the technical
knowledge to review them.
Yeah, sorry, I previously looked at the
On 02/23/2015 05:51 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 04:02:50PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote:
There are patches waiting in:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1116651
And I think almost every poster so far in this thread has the technical
knowledge to
On Fri, 20.02.15 16:03, Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Harald Hoyer har...@redhat.com wrote:
To prevent surprises on the next systemd updates like in
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1116651, we will not apply
workarounds anymore in
To prevent surprises on the next systemd updates like in
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1116651, we will not apply
workarounds anymore in rawhide and track the issues on
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=systemd-other-tracker so, that
they are not forgotten.
We removed the
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Harald Hoyer har...@redhat.com wrote:
To prevent surprises on the next systemd updates like in
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1116651, we will not apply
workarounds anymore in rawhide and track the issues on
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Lennart Poettering
mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
On Fri, 20.02.15 16:03, Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Harald Hoyer har...@redhat.com wrote:
To prevent surprises on the next systemd updates like in
Hi
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
How many months would you like me to notify people in advance of a
simple change like this? Isn't 6 month *ample* time?
The problem isn't necessarily the speed of change but the amount of
caution and attention paid to inform
Sorry for the inconvenience and feel free to add bugs to the tracker,
which are
caused by systemd changes and have to be fixed in other components.
Are you going to start notifying deve@ of upcoming changes that may
impact other areas of the distro too rather than just land them
On Fri, 20.02.15 11:07, Dennis Gilmore (den...@ausil.us) wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 11:04:13 -0600
Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:36:17 +0100
Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
On Fri, 20.02.15 16:24, Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com)
On 02/20/2015 05:11 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
Also, NM fixed a similar issue with /etc/resolve.conf in their code a
long time ago, to my knowledge. Am I so misguided to assume that
Anaconda can fix a fricking file copy too, in all those months?
Maybe it is time to step back and consider
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 04:52:20PM +, Peter Robinson wrote:
Sorry for the inconvenience and feel free to add bugs to the tracker,
which are
caused by systemd changes and have to be fixed in other components.
Are you going to start notifying deve@ of upcoming changes that may
On Fri, 2015-02-20 at 17:43 +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
On 02/20/2015 05:11 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
Also, NM fixed a similar issue with /etc/resolve.conf in their code a
long time ago, to my knowledge. Am I so misguided to assume that
Anaconda can fix a fricking file copy too, in
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:36:17 +0100
Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
On Fri, 20.02.15 16:24, Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) wrote:
Sorry for the inconvenience and feel free to add bugs to the
tracker, which are caused by systemd changes and have to be
fixed in
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 11:04:13 -0600
Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:36:17 +0100
Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
On Fri, 20.02.15 16:24, Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) wrote:
Sorry for the inconvenience and feel free to add bugs to
On Fri, 20.02.15 11:04, Dennis Gilmore (den...@ausil.us) wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:36:17 +0100
Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
On Fri, 20.02.15 16:24, Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) wrote:
Sorry for the inconvenience and feel free to add bugs to the
On Fri, 20.02.15 16:24, Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) wrote:
Sorry for the inconvenience and feel free to add bugs to the tracker,
which are
caused by systemd changes and have to be fixed in other components.
Are you going to start notifying deve@ of upcoming changes that
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:11:38 +0100
Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
On Fri, 20.02.15 11:04, Dennis Gilmore (den...@ausil.us) wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:36:17 +0100
Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
On Fri, 20.02.15 16:24, Peter Robinson
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
communication would have avoided some of the discussion in
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1149568
Which btw, caused
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1192276
Could you review?
I'm fixing this in OSTree too,
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:12:29 +0100
Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
On Fri, 20.02.15 11:07, Dennis Gilmore (den...@ausil.us) wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 11:04:13 -0600
Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:36:17 +0100
Lennart Poettering
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