Re: vim has lost it's damn mind

2020-08-07 Thread Jonathan Wakely

On 06/08/20 11:34 -0400, John Florian wrote:

I understand better now my problems with my mappings.  Above, I said I
had a mapping for  :nohlsearch.  In actuality, this was ^E
:nohlsearch.  Both should work but only the latter now only works
with vim; gvim shows the mapping with :map but I can't make it trigger.


A mapping for "^E" (i.e. the two characters '^' and 'E') doesn't work
in vim or gvim for me.  works in both, and so does the literal
control character entered into my vimrc with CTRL-V CTRL-E.

I get the same results on two up-to-date KDE desktops but also a
headless CentOS 6.10 server.

Silly question: are you actually using the same version for vim and
gvim? Do you have some different version of vim in your path?


I still don't know what's up with the yaml indenting.  I'll have to
check on the cindent setting that's been brought up recently.  I also


You can check whether cindent is enabled in a given file (e.g. after
opening a yaml file) with ':set cindent?'

If you put 'finish' right at the top of you personal vimrc and check
':set cindent?' again you'll see whether its presence/absence is
affected by something in your vimrc. If it's on even when you make
your personal vimrc 'finish' before changing anything, then it's
coming from global settings not personal ones.



don't understand the new Ctrl-6 behavior, but I suspect that's konsole
that's changed.

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Re: vim has lost it's damn mind

2020-08-06 Thread John Florian
On 2020-07-28 17:09, John Florian wrote:
>
> I also have seen some weirdness of late, but I'm still on F31.  I had
> yaml files indented with sw=4 and my foldmethod=indent.  Now I have to
> open the fold twice, once for the invisible fold that seems to be
> implied as if sw=2 and one more to get the real thing.  If I reformat
> to use 2-space indents the folding works like I'd expect but something
> changed.  I've also gotten lots of pain with certain key combos that
> were solid for ages.  Ctrl-6 to swap buffers % and # now must be
> Ctrl-Shift-6 for vim, though the former still works in gvim.  I have a
> mapping for  :nohlsearch that I've used for over a decade to
> un-highlight a search.  That no longer works in vim or gvim.  Until
> I'd found that I figured something in konsole had changed.  But once
> gvim revealed weird issues I figured it must be more of a vim thing.
> Now seeing this message, I'm becoming even more certain.
>
I understand better now my problems with my mappings.  Above, I said I
had a mapping for  :nohlsearch.  In actuality, this was ^E
:nohlsearch.  Both should work but only the latter now only works
with vim; gvim shows the mapping with :map but I can't make it trigger.

I still don't know what's up with the yaml indenting.  I'll have to
check on the cindent setting that's been brought up recently.  I also
don't understand the new Ctrl-6 behavior, but I suspect that's konsole
that's changed.


John Florian

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Re: vim has lost it's damn mind

2020-08-04 Thread Jonathan Wakely

On 04/08/20 10:59 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:49 AM Jonathan Wakely 
wrote:


On 03/08/20 13:32 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
>I finally ran into another issue and used the vim faq. It was ":set
>cindent" that was causing the crazy indentation in spec file %changelogs.
>
>I still consider this a bug as the file doesn't even end in c, cpp, cxx,
>c++ etc.

What's turning it on for non-C files?



Got me, I haven't dug in that far, just turned it off for now.


I see nocindent by default on F32, even for C files.

My personal vimrc turns it on explicitly for ft=c and ft=cpp and off
for everything else, but it shouldn't be on unless you've turned it
on.

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Re: vim has lost it's damn mind

2020-08-04 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:49 AM Jonathan Wakely 
wrote:

> On 03/08/20 13:32 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
> >I finally ran into another issue and used the vim faq. It was ":set
> >cindent" that was causing the crazy indentation in spec file %changelogs.
> >
> >I still consider this a bug as the file doesn't even end in c, cpp, cxx,
> >c++ etc.
>
> What's turning it on for non-C files?
>

Got me, I haven't dug in that far, just turned it off for now.

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: vim has lost it's damn mind

2020-08-04 Thread Jonathan Wakely

On 03/08/20 13:32 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:

I finally ran into another issue and used the vim faq. It was ":set
cindent" that was causing the crazy indentation in spec file %changelogs.

I still consider this a bug as the file doesn't even end in c, cpp, cxx,
c++ etc.


What's turning it on for non-C files?

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Re: vim has lost it's damn mind

2020-08-04 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Mon, 2020-08-03 at 13:32 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
> I finally ran into another issue and used the vim faq. It was ":set
> cindent" that was causing the crazy indentation in spec file
> %changelogs. 
> I still consider this a bug as the file doesn't even end in c, cpp,
> cxx, c++ etc.

yes , cindent is buggy for long time, I could say about 10 years , TBH
I don't remember when I turn cindent off .  
> Thanks,
> Richard
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Re: vim has lost it's damn mind

2020-08-03 Thread Richard Shaw
I finally ran into another issue and used the vim faq. It was ":set
cindent" that was causing the crazy indentation in spec file %changelogs.

I still consider this a bug as the file doesn't even end in c, cpp, cxx,
c++ etc.

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: vim has lost it's damn mind

2020-07-29 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Wed, 2020-07-29 at 13:34 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 3:36 AM Zdenek Dohnal 
> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > first I would like to recommend you to try the steps here:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > https://vimhelp.org/vim_faq.txt.html#faq-2.5
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > it should help you find out where the problem can be.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > If you are able to reproduce the issue with the first step, please
> > file
> > 
> > a bug on bugzilla.redhat.com.
> 
> I'll give it a try, but part of my frustration is that the behavior
> changed after upgrading to Fedora 32, my .vimrc did not change, so at
> a minimum my settings are likely being interpreted differently.

is something like this  https://github.com/vim/vim/issues/989 ?  , i.e
a problem in a specific syntax highlight , I got this one on python, I
added to my .vimrc let g:python_recommended_style=0

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> Richard 
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Re: vim has lost it's damn mind

2020-07-29 Thread Richard Shaw
On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 3:36 AM Zdenek Dohnal  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> first I would like to recommend you to try the steps here:
>
> https://vimhelp.org/vim_faq.txt.html#faq-2.5
>
> it should help you find out where the problem can be.
>
> If you are able to reproduce the issue with the first step, please file
> a bug on bugzilla.redhat.com.
>

I'll give it a try, but part of my frustration is that the behavior changed
after upgrading to Fedora 32, my .vimrc did not change, so at a minimum my
settings are likely being interpreted differently.

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: vim has lost it's damn mind

2020-07-29 Thread John Florian
On 2020-07-28 17:58, Sergio Belkin wrote:
> Since a couple of years ago, I'm a happy user of neovim on Fedora :)


I play with it now and then but have yet to switch completely.  It's
been long enough that I don't remember what my hangup was.  If memory
serves, it was the lack of gneovim or whatever it'd be called.  There
was MUCH to be liked however, I remember that much.

John Florian
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Re: vim has lost it's damn mind

2020-07-29 Thread Zdenek Dohnal
Hi all,

first I would like to recommend you to try the steps here:

https://vimhelp.org/vim_faq.txt.html#faq-2.5

it should help you find out where the problem can be.

If you are able to reproduce the issue with the first step, please file
a bug on bugzilla.redhat.com.


Thank you in advance!

On 7/29/20 7:52 AM, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 08:21:53AM -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
>> After upgrading to Fedora 32 I've noticed when editing files, especially
>> spec files that vim does some crazy jumps/indents that it didn't do before.
>>
>> Right now I'm pressing i to insert a line before a Requires: and when I hit
>> enter it jumps to the next line (fine) but with 4 indents and one space...
>> WTF?
>>
>> Anyone else seeing strange vim behavior?
>   I've noticed overzealous indent while editing yaml files. I wanted
> to provide example when it turned out vim also _unindents_. This is
> quite jarring.
>
>   Example: edit a yaml file, write
> #v+
> some: text
> #v-
>
>   Press ENTER, cursor goes to the next line, indented 2 space. Write more:
> #v+
> some: text
>   write
> #v-
>
>   As soon as you put “:”, whole line gets _moved back_:
> #v+
> some: text
> write: more
> #v-
>
>   Ugh.
>
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Re: vim has lost it's damn mind

2020-07-28 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 08:21:53AM -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
> After upgrading to Fedora 32 I've noticed when editing files, especially
> spec files that vim does some crazy jumps/indents that it didn't do before.
> 
> Right now I'm pressing i to insert a line before a Requires: and when I hit
> enter it jumps to the next line (fine) but with 4 indents and one space...
> WTF?
> 
> Anyone else seeing strange vim behavior?

  I've noticed overzealous indent while editing yaml files. I wanted
to provide example when it turned out vim also _unindents_. This is
quite jarring.

  Example: edit a yaml file, write
#v+
some: text
#v-

  Press ENTER, cursor goes to the next line, indented 2 space. Write more:
#v+
some: text
  write
#v-

  As soon as you put “:”, whole line gets _moved back_:
#v+
some: text
write: more
#v-

  Ugh.

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Re: vim has lost it's damn mind

2020-07-28 Thread Sergio Belkin
El mar., 28 jul. 2020 a las 18:49, John Florian ()
escribió:

> I also have seen some weirdness of late, but I'm still on F31.  I had yaml
> files indented with sw=4 and my foldmethod=indent.  Now I have to open the
> fold twice, once for the invisible fold that seems to be implied as if sw=2
> and one more to get the real thing.  If I reformat to use 2-space indents
> the folding works like I'd expect but something changed.  I've also gotten
> lots of pain with certain key combos that were solid for ages.  Ctrl-6 to
> swap buffers % and # now must be Ctrl-Shift-6 for vim, though the former
> still works in gvim.  I have a mapping for  :nohlsearch that
> I've used for over a decade to un-highlight a search.  That no longer works
> in vim or gvim.  Until I'd found that I figured something in konsole had
> changed.  But once gvim revealed weird issues I figured it must be more of
> a vim thing. Now seeing this message, I'm becoming even more certain.
>
> John Florian
>
> On 2020-07-25 09:21, Richard Shaw wrote:
>
> After upgrading to Fedora 32 I've noticed when editing files, especially
> spec files that vim does some crazy jumps/indents that it didn't do before.
>
> Right now I'm pressing i to insert a line before a Requires: and when I
> hit enter it jumps to the next line (fine) but with 4 indents and one
> space... WTF?
>
> Anyone else seeing strange vim behavior?
>
> Thanks,
> Richard
>
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Re: vim has lost it's damn mind

2020-07-28 Thread John Florian
I also have seen some weirdness of late, but I'm still on F31.  I had
yaml files indented with sw=4 and my foldmethod=indent.  Now I have to
open the fold twice, once for the invisible fold that seems to be
implied as if sw=2 and one more to get the real thing.  If I reformat to
use 2-space indents the folding works like I'd expect but something
changed.  I've also gotten lots of pain with certain key combos that
were solid for ages.  Ctrl-6 to swap buffers % and # now must be
Ctrl-Shift-6 for vim, though the former still works in gvim.  I have a
mapping for  :nohlsearch that I've used for over a decade to
un-highlight a search.  That no longer works in vim or gvim.  Until I'd
found that I figured something in konsole had changed.  But once gvim
revealed weird issues I figured it must be more of a vim thing. Now
seeing this message, I'm becoming even more certain.

John Florian

On 2020-07-25 09:21, Richard Shaw wrote:
> After upgrading to Fedora 32 I've noticed when editing files,
> especially spec files that vim does some crazy jumps/indents that it
> didn't do before.
>
> Right now I'm pressing i to insert a line before a Requires: and when
> I hit enter it jumps to the next line (fine) but with 4 indents and
> one space... WTF?
>
> Anyone else seeing strange vim behavior?
>
> Thanks,
> Richard
>
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Re: vim has lost it's damn mind

2020-07-26 Thread Łukasz Posadowski
Sat, 25 Jul 2020 08:21:53 -0500
Richard Shaw :

> After upgrading to Fedora 32 I've noticed when editing files,
> especially spec files that vim does some crazy jumps/indents that it
> didn't do before.
> 
> Right now I'm pressing i to insert a line before a Requires: and when
> I hit enter it jumps to the next line (fine) but with 4 indents and
> one space... WTF?
> 
> Anyone else seeing strange vim behavior?
 
I would start looking in /usr/share/vim/vim82/ftplugin/spec.vim, after
that in You local vimrc. Do You have shiftwidth in it?

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Re: vim has lost it's damn mind

2020-07-25 Thread Jos Vos
On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 09:31:31AM -0400, Eric Wood wrote:

> Same thing happens to me on a Ubuntu install. Very annoying. I haven't
> dug into figuring it out either.Eric


I have similar problem with .js files, completely unusable (with .py
files it works fine BTW, 4-space indents, just the way I want it).

Didn't have the time to find out how to properly disable it, but for
now I do ":set paste" in a vim-session and then it doesn't beat me.

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RE: vim has lost it's damn mind

2020-07-25 Thread Eric Wood

Same thing happens to me on a Ubuntu install. Very annoying. I haven't dug into 
figuring it out either.Eric
 Original message From: Richard Shaw  
Date: 7/25/20  9:22 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: Development discussions related to 
Fedora  Subject: vim has lost it's damn mind 
After upgrading to Fedora 32 I've noticed when editing files, especially spec 
files that vim does some crazy jumps/indents that it didn't do before.Right now 
I'm pressing i to insert a line before a Requires: and when I hit enter it 
jumps to the next line (fine) but with 4 indents and one space... WTF?Anyone 
else seeing strange vim behavior?Thanks,Richard
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vim has lost it's damn mind

2020-07-25 Thread Richard Shaw
After upgrading to Fedora 32 I've noticed when editing files, especially
spec files that vim does some crazy jumps/indents that it didn't do before.

Right now I'm pressing i to insert a line before a Requires: and when I hit
enter it jumps to the next line (fine) but with 4 indents and one space...
WTF?

Anyone else seeing strange vim behavior?

Thanks,
Richard
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