Re: [Sugar-devel] On Sugar 0.84 - status of the Chat/collab leader issue...

2009-11-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:54 PM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: moving to mission control 5 and letting go of the admittedly antiquated sugar presence now In planning future work in rpesence and collab stuff, I have a small, humble suggestion. Figuring out if a presence service /

Re: [Sugar-devel] On Sugar 0.84 - status of the Chat/collab leader issue...

2009-11-04 Thread David Van Assche
Well, at least on Gnome, Mission Control not only works well, but its far more stable and does what its supposed to. Its been very heavily tested by Nokia (Maemo), Collabra, Google, openmoko and other heavy hitters. I don't really agree that we have something that works with sugar presence. In the

Re: [Sugar-devel] On Sugar 0.84 - status of the Chat/collab leader issue...

2009-11-04 Thread David Van Assche
Don't get me wrong though, I agree thoroughly that we should really test it and make sure it plays as advertised But I think its gonna be easier to do that than test/scale/stabalise what we currently have. David On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:06 AM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote:

versioned partitioned upgrading: safety boot configuration

2009-11-04 Thread Daniel Drake
Hi Michael, I'm working on updating olpc-update and the initramfs to be able to work with a partitioned layout where /boot is separate from the rest of the system. Thanks for the good documentation at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Early_boot This means I will probably be troubling you with a few

versioned partitioned upgrading: clean up / config creation

2009-11-04 Thread Daniel Drake
Hi Michael, Last question for now: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Early_boot#Clean_Up This part of the page seems to suggest that you only create a /versions/configs entry for systems where an unpartitioned layout is being used, and no config would be created for a partitioned layout. Am I reading

Re: OOM conditions

2009-11-04 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 11:22:13PM +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 16:58, Richard A. Smith rich...@laptop.org wrote: Working the table at the Boston book festival I was reminded how painful the OOM stuff is on a gen 1. The demo machines were in this state a lot as each

Re: [Sugar-devel] Terminal.xo patch: do not die if the cwd is gone

2009-11-04 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 12:08:20PM -0500, paul fox wrote: On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: Attached is a trivial patch that handles gracefully the situation where cwd does not exist anymore or is no longer accessible to the olpc user.

Re: [Server-devel] xs-activation and OS update info

2009-11-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Daniel, Working on unrelated code, I found that the iniparse module, which we ship on our F9 and F11 OSs, knows the ordering of the sections. from iniparse import INIConfig import os c = INIConfig(open(os.path.expanduser('~')+'/.sugar/default/config')) list(c) # gives you the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Terminal.xo patch: do not die if the cwd is gone

2009-11-04 Thread Gary C Martin
On 4 Nov 2009, at 14:56, Martin Dengler wrote: On Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 12:08:20PM -0500, paul fox wrote: On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: Attached is a trivial patch that handles gracefully the situation where cwd does not exist anymore or is

Re: [Server-devel] xs-activation and OS update info

2009-11-04 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/11/4 Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com: Hi Daniel, Working on unrelated code, I found that the iniparse module, which we ship on our F9 and F11 OSs, knows the ordering of the sections. Cool, indeed, their site makes it pretty clear that preserving order is a feature. Daniel

crond disabled?

2009-11-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
chkconfig --list shows crond completely disabled. Accident or by design? If it's by design, any hints on alternative means of running cron-ish jobs? m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny

Changes in the handling of sleep in idlesuspend (rtcwake?) for F11 based builds?

2009-11-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Chris, long time ago you warned me that towards our 9.1 release the handling of sleep would change, and that I would need to setup a wakeup alarm. Is this happening on any of our builds? If so, we need a quick audit of shell scripts using sleep More details at

Re: crond disabled?

2009-11-04 Thread Hal Murray
Agreed, on both F11 for XO-1 (os8) and F11 for XO-1.5 (os33). However / etc/cron.d has olpc specific files present. I see olpc things in /etc/cron.d/, but I don't see any way to get to it. /etc/crontab is empty (on my os8 on a XO-1) So is /var/spool/cron/ F9 for XO-1 (802) uses crond

Re: crond disabled?

2009-11-04 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/11/4 Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net: Do we really want to be running something like update which (I assume) takes significant resources without consulting with the user? Yes! Remember, these are not designed as normal laptops. They are for young children and for use in schools. The

Re: crond disabled?

2009-11-04 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Keep in mind that some of cron's duties are done by anacron (or were when I had a hand in the distro), which is laptop-friendly. Anacron only handles daily/weekly/monthly tasks, though; you do need cron running if you want tasks with sub-day scheduling. --scott -- (

Re: crond disabled?

2009-11-04 Thread Paul Fox
c. scott ananian wrote: Keep in mind that some of cron's duties are done by anacron (or were when I had a hand in the distro), which is laptop-friendly. Anacron only handles daily/weekly/monthly tasks, though; you do need cron running if you want tasks with sub-day scheduling. as dsd

Re: crond disabled?

2009-11-04 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Paul Fox p...@laptop.org wrote: c. scott ananian wrote:   Keep in mind that some of cron's duties are done by anacron (or were   when I had a hand in the distro), which is laptop-friendly.     Anacron only handles daily/weekly/monthly tasks, though; you do need

Re: crond disabled?

2009-11-04 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
Do we really want to be running something like update which (I assume) takes significant resources without consulting with the user? Yes! Remember, these are not designed as normal laptops. They are for young children and for use in schools. The only time to do updates is when the child is

Re: crond disabled? [#9605]

2009-11-04 Thread James Cameron
Being tracked. http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9605 -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: crond disabled?

2009-11-04 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com wrote: Do we really want to be running something like update which (I assume) takes significant resources without consulting with the user? Yes! Remember, these are not designed as normal laptops. They are for young children and

[Server-devel] XS 0.6 on XO

2009-11-04 Thread Philipp Kocher
Really nice to have an XS on the XO for testing and showing people what they can do with an XS. The easy setup which doesn't even need an access point is really cool. There are 3 points about XS 0.6 on XO I want to bring up: 1. How to shutdown the XS. I couldn't find the information what is the

New F11 for XO-1.5 build 36

2009-11-04 Thread Chris Ball
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_1.5 http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/f11-1.5/os36 Compressed image size: 412.28mb (-0.30mb since build 35) Description of changes in this build: * Wireless works again, fixed in #9606. * #9601: avoid a resume crash by changing agetty args. * #9605: re-enable crond

versioned partitioned upgrading: safety boot configuration

2009-11-04 Thread Michael Stone
Hi Dan, I'm working on updating olpc-update and the initramfs to be able to work with a partitioned layout where /boot is separate from the rest of the system. Thanks for the good documentation at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Early_boot You're welcome; apologies that it isn't better. :) First

versioned partitioned upgrading: clean up / config creation

2009-11-04 Thread Michael Stone
Last question for now: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Early_boot#Clean_Up This part of the page seems to suggest that you only create a /versions/configs entry for systems where an unpartitioned layout is being used, and no config would be created for a partitioned layout. Am I reading that