Re: setup for XO development

2008-10-30 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 04:35:30PM -0500, David Farning wrote: On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, for a variety of reasons, I'm working quite hard to make rainbow usable on stock linux machines like those represented by Debian and Fedora chroots

wpa_supplicant instructions?

2008-10-29 Thread Michael Stone
Javier, Michailis mentioned to me that the wireless team had worked out a set of command-line arguments for wpa_supplicant which yield excellent association reliability. Could you please publish these arguments? Thanks very much, Michael ___ Devel

9.1 Proposal: Build Tools

2008-10-29 Thread Michael Stone
I intended to spend a few minutes talking about build tools as part of my 'Forgotten Tools' talk, but Chris points out to me that this is a sufficiently important topic to be worth more in-depth discussion. Hence the following talk, which will discuss the current state of pilgrim, puritan, other

Re: [sugar] Postponement of XOCamp Event to January

2008-10-29 Thread Michael Stone
Per Ed's implicit request, I have updated http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XOcamp_2 and http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XOcamp_2/Fundraising to the postponement directive. Michael P.S. - I wish to offer special personal thanks to the six warm-hearted (but cool-headed) donors who pledged to fund

9.1 Proposal: Forgotten or Missing Tools

2008-10-28 Thread Michael Stone
I've worked on a variety of tools or tool-like communication aids, e.g * gitembed / gitedit * test-activity * the Joyride dropbox mechanism * puritan * triagebot * [[Friends in Testing]] * [[OLPC:Journal]] * summarize-activity which I frequently wish were better known.

9.1 Proposal: What's an Activity???

2008-10-28 Thread Michael Stone
I've long wondered about the ambiguities and puzzles inherent in the notion of 'activity' rather than 'application'. Therefore, I'd like to talk about them! I'll also speak about what I learned from recent experiments that I've conducted writing activity-like software for helping humans to

9.1 Proposal: Activities as Building Blocks

2008-10-28 Thread Michael Stone
If one chooses to regard Activities as the basic building blocks of learning experiences, then it seems natural to wonder how these blocks can be glued together into larger learning structures. I will present some thoughts that Cynthia, Barbara, Chris, Brian, and I have had on this subject. (I am

Re: Donations for travel to Nov 17 XOcamp, also spare bedrooms needed!

2008-10-27 Thread Michael Stone
I wish to add two things to what Scott wrote: First, two purposes for the conference have been recognized to date: 1) to facilitate planning relevant to 9.1 and beyond, 2) to build trust and relationships between community members. Given present realities, three options have been

Re: [Server-devel] xs-otp: one time passwords for the XS

2008-10-26 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 04:46:17PM +0100, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 7:33 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do the XS installation instructions offer any guidance on prohibiting booting with init=/bin/bash, booting from external media, or simply removing the XS hard

Re: 9.1 Proposal: Top five performance problems

2008-10-24 Thread Michael Stone
Marco, I did some basic profiling of my new rainbow code last night and discovered that, in the best case with the current codebase on XO, it costs about 0.5s/1 exec(python). Approximately 80% of the 0.5s was spent importing modules. I hope to dig deeper in the near future, but I am concerned at

Re: [Server-devel] xs-otp: one time passwords for the XS

2008-10-24 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 07:02:23PM +1300, Douglas Bagnall wrote: 2. If you want to disable root login via the system password, touch /etc/xs-otp/disable-root-password. This file will eventually exist by default, but for now this option should be used with care. It *could* leave you

Re: 9.1 Proposal: shutdown menu

2008-10-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:54:52AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this feature has been discussed on the list(s) earlier, but i'm not sure of its status. i'd like to make sure it gets on the table. (and it just came up in dan's ethiopian report.) currently it is much easier to crash the laptop

Re: 9.1 Proposal: shutdown menu

2008-10-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 03:15:28PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: michael wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:54:52AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this feature has been discussed on the list(s) earlier, but i'm not sure of its status. i'd like to make sure it gets on the table. (and it

Re: 9.1 Proposal: Security and Isolation

2008-10-20 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:46:37AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:53 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Persistent activity storage What does this mean? That when you resume an activity, it should come up with the same uid it had when you launched it, and

Re: Upgrading XO from a XS server

2008-10-20 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 12:45:49PM -0500, Philippe Clérié wrote: I see there is a page (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Upgrade_Server) describing a way to make an upgrade server. But it uses a debian system not an XS server. And the software is not _released_ yet. Is it safe enough to use in actual

Weekend Report

2008-10-17 Thread Michael Stone
Michael Stone (in concert with SJ Klein) wrote the 0th issue of The OLPC Journal: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC:Journal in order to have a good place to publish the devel@ summary that he wrote with Mel last week. --- I've also spent a bit of time hacking on rainbow

Re: Future Feature Weekly Planning Meeting

2008-10-16 Thread Michael Stone
Greg, Here are some comments and questions on your meeting and minutes. I hope you find them helpful. We had an internal kick off meeting for next release planning on Wed. October 15. How, in your opinion, did the private setting improve the meeting? Starting next week, this will become a

Re: ship Gnash 0.8.4 RC1 in OLPC 8.2.0?

2008-10-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 01:57:57PM -0400, Daniel Drake wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You really do not get it do you!! The basic functionality should be provided by OLPC with a build of gnash optimized for the Geode. I should note that I'm

Questions on activity signing and upgrade. (Some answers to follow later.)

2008-10-11 Thread Michael Stone
Dear devel@ and security@, Scott asked me to spend some time thinking on the topic of activity signing [1] in the context of activity upgrade [2, 3, 4]. Since I have some previous thoughts on this subject already available [5, 6], I will concentrate on new thoughts in this thread. Please enjoy my

Trip Report: GNOME UI Hackfest

2008-10-09 Thread Michael Stone
This is just a brief note summarizing our experience at the http://live.gnome.org/Boston2008/GUIHackfest In short: * Scott gave a long talk on his http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Experiments_with_unordered_paths and on his crazy journal ideas. * Michael gave a short talk on

Re: journal is hard + sugar and the digital age

2008-10-09 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 12:55:43PM -0400, Erik Garrison wrote: You acknowledge that the system is not functioning as well as it should be in its curren state. Please stop saying we are going to do this Instead, please stop saying we are going to do this and just do it and be done with it! and

Re: journal is hard + sugar and the digital age

2008-10-09 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 12:09:22PM -0700, Carol Hussein Lerche wrote: One thing that might help is a wiki FAQ about the journal collecting a roadmap and pointers to the work that has taken place already in one place. Yours is an excellent suggestion which we should strive to implement for all of

Re: journal is hard + sugar and the digital age

2008-10-09 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 01:35:40PM -0700, Carol Hussein Lerche wrote: In response to Scott's mail, if you look at the roadmaps linked to there is nothing approaching a feature oriented roadmap there, though a lot of good input is gathered in the mails captured at the end of his w.l.o/9.1 link, and

Re: [Server-devel] Password-less authentication with moodle

2008-10-03 Thread Michael Stone
Andres, Could you point me toward a writeup of your (or rather, your users') security goals for their interaction with EduBlog? (I'm also happy to offer you my suggestions as to what they should be.) Michael P.S. - You should send your mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as well since there are a number

Perspective and Compromise Positions

2008-10-02 Thread Michael Stone
John, Mitch, First, thanks for improving pretty-boot! Second, I have a suggestion for you: I have always regarded our various locks (software: firmware lock, activation lock, kernel lock, reflash lock, root password, minimal default ui; hardware: USB/SD slots, screws, solder-points) as

Re: Walter Bender: Re: devkeys, prettyboot, and G1G1

2008-10-02 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 12:27:48AM -0400, John Watlington wrote: How about providing dev. keys for G1G1 laptops with no delay ?Would you consider it an improvement ? I would consider it a mediocre usability improvement in exchange for a moderate security risk -- it fails to permit any

Re: WPA-PEAP with MSCHAPv2

2008-09-30 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 01:01:11AM -0700, pato wrote: Pato, We are using a Cisco RADIUS server that implements WPA2 enterprise and WPA-PEAP with MSCHAPv2. The SSID is also hidden. Glad to hear from you -- PEAP/802.11i/802.1X and hidden SSIDs are not yet supported but will probably be supported

Re: [Fwd: Re: Odd occurance when installing 764]

2008-09-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 03:21:49PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: To Michael: Not sure who to direct this to, but should the post install scripts do some extra checks for this potential upgrade fluff? Not sure how many upgrades this could effect. What might we do with it if we found it?

Pycon'09 CFP

2008-09-27 Thread Michael Stone
Folks, The Pycon'09 calls for proposals and tutorials have just gone up! http://us.pycon.org/2009/conference/proposals/ http://us.pycon.org/2009/tutorials/proposals/ What are we going to propose? Regards, Michael ___ Devel mailing list

Weekend report

2008-09-26 Thread Michael Stone
Michael Stone managed and assisted in the creation and signing of the 8.2-765 candidate build. -- In more detail: * I reviewed and approved the changes taking us from 8.2-760 to 8.2-765. Particular thanks are due to cscott, cjb, and marcopg for efforts above and beyond the call

Signed candidate-765 and gg-765-2 builds available for testing.

2008-09-26 Thread Michael Stone
After checking with Joe this evening and having previously discussed the necessary security signoffs with Mitch, Richard, Scott, Andres, and Deepak, I have decided to publish 8.2-765 as a signed Candidate in the interests of spurring easier and more widespread testing over the weekend. I have also

Re: Another pass through some basic Activity test results

2008-09-25 Thread Michael Stone
It seems that mangling occurred; however, I repaired it and have temporarily published the results here: http://teach.laptop.org/~mstone/gary.txt Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-24 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 04:16:17PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: We all agree that the datastore needs serious attention, although it doesn't directly impact the running of legacy activities. Rainbow is an issue. And moving data back and forth between Sugar and legacy apps is an issue. Please say

Please help test our new best 8.2.0 candidate, 8.2-763!

2008-09-23 Thread Michael Stone
You'll know that we're nearing the end of our arduous 8.2.0 release cycle when you see the polish and features in our new candidate build, 8.2-763, valid until Wednesday, September 30 [1]. Its changelog (from 759) is available here:

Work Required to produce 8.2-761

2008-09-22 Thread Michael Stone
I was hoping to be able to announce the availability of 8.2-761 but it does not seem to have been created over the weekend and I am unable to locate the required pilgrim and mock commits or changelog in any of dev.l.o:/git mock.l.o:~mock mock.l.o:~cscott pilgrim.l.o:~cscott

Re: 8.2-760 AP connect problem

2008-09-22 Thread Michael Stone
As a matter of fact, I believe that the 'reset' button actually moves your old configuration aside so that you can inspect it at your leisure. (The files are small and, as you observe, contain important data; therefore, there seemed to be no compelling reason to actually delete them...) Regards,

8.2-761, 8.2-762 (small announcement)

2008-09-22 Thread Michael Stone
Folks, this is a small announcement for devel of new release snapshots which you are going to come to know rather intimately over the next few days. In short, please start testing 762 first, when it arrives in about an hour. (761 is a 'just in case' fall-back position that separates mostly-olpc

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-21 Thread Michael Stone
My impression, based on historical conversations with the parties involved is that there are a bunch of hackers who feel that we did ourselves a disservice by dropping _so much_ backwards compatibility, specifically with Unix filesystems and desktops, in exchange for cool ideas. The feeling is

Re: 8.2-760 AP connect problem

2008-09-21 Thread Michael Stone
You folks might be interested to know that you can teach NetworkManager to prefer connecting to APs instead of to the mesh. I believe the command is echo infra /etc/NetworkManager/mesh-start Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org

Re: trac question: search with AND?

2008-09-20 Thread Michael Stone
Paul, I think what Noah meant was that you would need to create a Trac Report. Read http://dev.laptop.org/wiki/TracReports for more info. Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: testing 8.2 using qemu

2008-09-18 Thread Michael Stone
Gabriel, To understand Rainbow, start by reading http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Security http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Low-level_Activity_API#Security http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Rainbow or by asking people about it on IRC. Michael P.S. - You wrote that Since there is little documentation on

Re: testing 8.2 using qemu

2008-09-18 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 05:13:35PM -0300, Gabriel Eirea wrote: Gabriel, Thank you for your detailed and polite response. Thank you for the links. Actually I had already visited links 2 and 3 doing a search on rainbow in the wiki. Unfortuantely I was unable to understand what rainbow means from

Weekend Report

2008-09-18 Thread Michael Stone
Michael Stone prepared the way for 8.2-761, which, pending creation, announcement, and testing will probably our first signed 8.2.0 candidate build, at which time it will be in some danger of being shipped two weeks hence. He expects that 8.2-761 will be published on Friday. --- In more detail I

Release snapshot creation QA.

2008-09-17 Thread Michael Stone
On IRC today, Greg asked me several questions. My responses are inline: * How do we know when are ready to build a release snapshot? Immediately after we publish a new release snapshot, I enter my 'waiting' state. In this waiting state, I wait for test results and for new tickets to

Re: mechanisms tied to mesh: under a tree collab

2008-09-17 Thread Michael Stone
John, dlo#8354 is believed to be fixed in 8.2-760. Can you confirm or deny this? Thanks, Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: Release snapshot creation QA.

2008-09-17 Thread Michael Stone
Ed pointed out to me that I used a bit of jargon, 'release snapshot', which I had not formerly introduced. By 'release snapshot', I mean a build in a release stream (e.g. 8.2, rather than joyride) which is in danger of becoming a release candidate should testing go well. To first order, (signed)

Re: Scratch Sensor Board needs access to TTYUSB*

2008-09-12 Thread Michael Stone
rainbow-0.7.22 should recognize a 'use-serial' permission which, when specified, will add the 'uucp' group to the specifying activity's list of auxiliary groups. Please test. Regards, Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org

Improved olpc-log; privacy considerations.

2008-09-12 Thread Michael Stone
Scott and devel@, In response to several requests, I have finally made olpc-log capture more information. (Caveat: I have only tested the new olpc-log under ideal circumstances; i.e. on a clean-installed joyride). In spite of this lack of widespread testing, I think we would stll be well

Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2

2008-09-10 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 02:13:24PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Not from outside python, but from inside we are using heapy: http://guppy-pe.sourceforge.net/ Tomeu already published some guppy RPMs but here is a git repo with pacakging instructions (Makefiles) should you wish to make any changes.

Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2

2008-09-10 Thread Michael Stone
A more accurate test would be to disable the preloading itself rather than disabling isolation but leaving rainbow loading the libraries. :) To do that, see lines 31-32 of /usr/lib/python2.5/site_packages/rainbow/service.py You want to set self.preloader_hint = False and comment out the call

8.2.0 Release Criteria ECO Documentation

2008-09-10 Thread Michael Stone
In preparation for shipping an 8.2.0 build to manufacturing, we need to agree on release criteria. To that end, I have stubbed out rough ECO documentation for 8.2.0 at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/ECO/8.2.0 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/ECO/8.2.0/Checklist Please review these pages and offer

Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2

2008-09-09 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 01:10:57PM -0400, Daniel Drake wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 00:10 -0400, Michael Stone wrote: - whether we can get Browse to behave intelligently when it receives BadAlloc errors from X? I have no doubt that Browse/xulrunner has room for improvement with memory

Closing up 8.2.0.

2008-09-09 Thread Michael Stone
Dear devel@, This is your notification of our serious intent to release 8.2.0 within the next three weeks, if possible. * This week, we intend to publish an unsigned raw OS and an unsigned G1G1 derivative image for testing. We will begin our the first-boot activation security audit

Re: Font problems (affecting Java and others?)

2008-09-08 Thread Michael Stone
Alan, Thanks very much for the detailed writeup of your findings (and for your efforts make OLPC's software distribution more friendly to people who like Java). I can't personally resolve any of the questions which you raise with any authority but I can direct you toward the people who might be

Re: Font problems (affecting Java and others?)

2008-09-08 Thread Michael Stone
Thanks for the suggestions. So is all RPM packaging done by the Red Hat team? OLPC and some of its friends help maintain several packages important to OLPC in Fedora. RedHat employees assist other Fedora volunteers in the same task. (Understand that Fedora and RedHat are related but

Re: Expected date for 8.2.0

2008-09-08 Thread Michael Stone
Pia, The final weeks of September seem more likely to me at the moment. If you want to stay up to date, please watch http://wiki.laptop.org/go/8.2.0 Then you'll receive instant notifications. :) Also, will you be able to help test our next release candidate(s)? Michael

Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2

2008-09-08 Thread Michael Stone
Dear devel@, Kim, Greg, and I have concluded that the instability we experience under memory-pressure in 8.2-759 and similar is the single hard issue that we wish to _attempt_ to address before releasing 8.2 on current timeframes. (We recognize that there are several other issues marked as

Re: [Techteam] Weekend reports

2008-09-05 Thread Michael Stone
Michael Stone spent the week documenting procedures like the Trac ticket workflow, the procedure for restoring factory-default settings to an XO, and the test case and test result creation procedures on the wiki. He also released a new versions of rainbow and olpc-utils with several small

Re: How did the testing go on 8.2-757?

2008-09-04 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 10:32:33AM +1200, Martin Langhoff wrote: I'll work hard next Welly testing round (in about 24hs) to get logs and steps-to-repro on those hard ones. Do let me know if you have a better candidat than 757! Martin, Thanks for your feedback. As of today, please use 759, which

Please help test our new best 8.2.0 candidate, 8.2-759!

2008-09-04 Thread Michael Stone
We got an awesome new 8.2 candidate build, 8.2-759, valid until Wednesday, September 10. Its changelog is available here: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-September/018843.html (except that we decided to hold off on the #7415 patch) Please help test it according to the

Re: Fedora Resources

2008-09-04 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 03:20:18PM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: there is a ticket open for fedora to provide OLPC infrastructure resources. https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/740 Im needing to know what it is the OLPC would like? I think we're looking for a more secure,

Re: Cmap tools (was [Techteam] Weekend Report - due today)

2008-09-03 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 05:33:28PM -0400, Greg Smith wrote: Has anyone tried making the activity which is X-windows and inside which other activities can run? [1] and [2] seem apropos. Michael [1]: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7768#comment:8 [2]:

Trac ticket workflow updates.

2008-09-03 Thread Michael Stone
Friends, As we wind down toward the end of the 8.2.0 release cycle (and begin to tighten our change control), we must make a few tweaks to the Trac ticket workflow. I have written up the new workflow in great detail at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Trac_ticket_workflow The highlight is three new

Please help test our new 8.2.0 Alpha release candidate, 8.2-757!

2008-08-27 Thread Michael Stone
We are thrilled to announce our zeroth (Alpha) 8.2 release candidate, 8.2-757, valid until Wednesday, September 3. Please help test it according to the detailed instructions at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Friends_in_testing while we still have time to fix issues you might find! Next, since

Re: rpms not picked up

2008-08-26 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:09:36AM +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: Hi, as koji is up again i built a new xulrunner rpm http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=60150 in the OLPC-3 branch. It has not been picked up by the builds yet. Are there any changes? Yes, Dennis and Scott are

Re: Update the a beta2 XO machine

2008-08-24 Thread Michael Stone
Hilaire, Some people (Blaketh, on IRC) have reported some success updating B2's to recent software; however, the economics are such that we prefer to replace B2's with more recent hardware via the Developer's Program [1] than to support the old hardware. Michael [1]: (http://projectdb.olpc.at)

Re: Please change PILGRIM_LOCALES_jffs2

2008-08-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 07:33:15PM +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: Can someone please change the PILGRIM_LOCALES_jffs2 variable to include the locale rw ? Done. See commit 78fbbc7c on the 8.2 stream (and others on the master, autobuild, and joyride streams.) Michael

Re: [sugar] is there something that eats develop.sig ?

2008-08-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 05:17:53PM -0400, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: Is there any documentation about when develop.sig would be erased ? Because our NAND is unpartitioned, reflashing the NAND means that you lose _all_ data stored on NAND. To avoid this problem in the future, either keep your

Weekend 2008/8/22

2008-08-22 Thread Michael Stone
Michael Stone wrote several things that needed to be written, including: * the detailed 8.2.0 release roadmap: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/8.2.0 * a plan for systematic testing of 8.2.0 (to be published soon), to complement the wonderful exploratory testing contributed on devel@ * new

Re: Problems switching back from joyride-2290 to Update.1-708 (rainbow). Help wanted.

2008-08-21 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:59:13AM -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: Hmm, this sounds like it should be (a) a release note, and (b) we should post a script to 'make things right'. (Similar to the datastore issue.) I'll stub out appropriate text in the wiki for this. The other change we could

Re: customization key + system modifications

2008-08-21 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 11:35:09AM -0500, Erik Garrison wrote: Currently there is no method to set items settable via sugar-control panel using the customization key, or to run a script of some kind at customization-key unpacking time? It might be very useful if not yet exists. There are

Re: OS versioning

2008-08-21 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 06:18:47AM +0100, victor wrote: Hello everyone, I was trying to find the correct info on OS versioning in the wiki, but could not. So perhaps you can enlighten me? There's some information at [[Release process home]] on the wiki. I also have some detailed (and amusing)

More proposed 8.2.0 blockers tomorrow @ 1500 UTC, #olpc-meeting

2008-08-20 Thread Michael Stone
Please join us in #olpc-meeting after the sugar meeting! Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Trac conventions reports update.

2008-08-18 Thread Michael Stone
Folks, I put in some time on Trac today by updating report 28 (blockers) so that it shows you the 'next action' field, creating reports 29 (proposed blockers) and 30 (polish) based on 28, and touching up [[Trac conventions]] and [[Trac queries]]. Finally, I added two new 'action needed' entries:

Reminder: Tuesday Release Wednesday Software Meetings -- 2:00 PM ET in #olpc-meeting on irc.freenode.net

2008-08-18 Thread Michael Stone
Dear world, Bring your burning release questions tomorrow and your status updates on Wednesday at the usual time and place. Please reply to this thread in advance if you have specific issues you'd like to discuss. Thanks, Michael ___ Devel mailing

Re: [Server-devel] Ubuntu XS

2008-08-17 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 07:41:13AM +1000, Pia Waugh wrote: There are a few interesting feature requests I've had from local trials, including the ability to only allow an XS to talk to approved XOs, to avoid strangers parking outside a school with an XO and interacting with children (worst case

Re: rainbow and pam

2008-08-16 Thread Michael Stone
According to man sched_setscheduler you want either CAP_SYS_NICE or a non-zero RLIMIT_RTPRIO and giving these to you means that you can hardlock the machine anytime by busywaiting. Audio performance is clearly important to us in this release -- probably more important than stopping random

Re: rainbow and pam

2008-08-16 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:15:08PM +0100, victor wrote: Aren't these priorities the same ones set in /etc/security/limits.conf? Or are they set by other means? /etc/security/limits.conf is simply one vehicle (specifically, the one used by PAM) for getting a uid-0 process (hence a process w/

Re: rainbow and pam

2008-08-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 11:52:59PM +0100, victor wrote: I'm trying to get my head round how rainbow works and there is one thing I cannot figure out. Why is that the UIDs generated by rainbow do not have the same resource access privileges as other UIDs as set in limits.conf for pam? If I use a

Re: rainbow and pam

2008-08-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 09:14:47PM -0400, Jim Gettys wrote: Michael, I detect a disconnect. The disconnect is that Victor has neither explained what syscalls he wants to be able to make nor posted his patch to limits.conf. Until he does one of these things, I am unable to help him. Michael

Re: Suspend vs Network Traffic - blockers

2008-08-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 09:31:11AM -0700, Deepak Saxena wrote: On Aug 13 2008, at 03:27, Ricardo Carrano was caught saying: But the important result is that collaboration does not seem to be working in infra mode. Irrespective of the filter status, no icon is being presented in the mesh view of

[ChangeLog] - Disable OHM's idlesuspend.

2008-08-14 Thread Michael Stone
This is just a small note to announce that, per our decision in today's software status meeting, I have inhibited OHM's idlesuspend behavior in joyride in preparation for the 8.2.0 release. You can remove this inhibition by enabling the 'automatic power management' option in the Sugar Control

Next joyride beta delayed.

2008-08-14 Thread Michael Stone
Folks, We began considering joyride-2294 for this week's beta selection process this morning and, this evening, Joe discovered some interesting hangs on laptops running the sugar activity updater. We believe that these hangs may be correlated with wireless activity and with the onset of

Re: Journal activity profiling

2008-08-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 01:11:04PM +0200, riccardo wrote: Do you have any idea for redrawing less often? what do you mean ? Think of the way that terrain based games use level-of-detail computations (LoD) to figure out which portions of the screen need to be updated. Think of the use of

Reminder: Tue Wed, #olpc-meeting @ 2:00 PM ET, 1800 UTC

2008-08-14 Thread Michael Stone
Dear devel@, Apologies for the tardy reminder. We'll be meeting, as usual, in #olpc-meeting on irc.freenode.net at 2:00 PM ET, (1800 UTC) today, to discuss releasework and tomorrow to discuss ticket status. Michael ___ Devel mailing list

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Trac #7480: Need to 'reset' the network configurations - short term fix

2008-08-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 01:23:07PM -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: I moved discussion back to http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7480 , including citing Morgan's objections quoted above and proposing a solution. Does anyone want to implement an email-trac gateway, like debian's bug tracker has? That

Re: permissions for setting scheduler policy

2008-08-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 11:21:11AM +0100, Victor Lazzarini wrote: It'd be ideal if activities using csound could take advantage of this code, because it seems to help performance. We could set up group permissions for that in /etc/security/limits.conf I'd be able to give you a better opinion

Re: Journal activity profiling

2008-08-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 06:02:49PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 5:20 PM, riccardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 12:13 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 12:10 PM, riccardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Testcase: Fill the journal with hundreds

Re: Journal activity profiling

2008-08-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 12:13:14PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Yeah, no C-level function takes an absurd amount of time. It's python code that makes too much work than is really needed. It's not python code proper; it's calling any sort of code and performing any sort of I/O UNNECESSARILY. Think

[1CC] An Evening w/ BLU, August 20, 2008

2008-08-14 Thread Michael Stone
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Bcc: Subject: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Boston Linux Meeting Wednesday, August 20, 2008 An evening at One Laptop per Child] Reply-To: Hi folks. OLPC is going to host the Boston Linux and Unix User Group for an evening of fun, sharing, and occasional moments of Linux

Re: user 10002

2008-08-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 12:31:27PM +0100, Victor Lazzarini wrote: Hi all, could someone explain to me what is user 10002 and why it does not seem to take notice of /etc/security/limits.conf? User 10002 is a temporary uid generated by Rainbow when it is asked to launch your activity. The relevant

Re: Next joyride beta delayed.

2008-08-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 10:10:30AM -0700, Deepak Saxena wrote: The issues reported with the touchpad (#7788) are also a bit worrysome but until we have a way to reproduce that can be reproduced on any laptop, I'm not going to consider it a show stopper. My concern is that we are see these reports

Koji down.

2008-08-14 Thread Michael Stone
This is just a heads-up that Fedora's Koji system (and some other build infrastructure) is temporarily down as a result of errors discovered or introduced during routine maintenance. Please check https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-August/thread.html for updates.

Re: Problems switching back from joyride-2290 to Update.1-708 (rainbow). Help wanted.

2008-08-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 10:16:01PM -0400, Ton van Overbeek wrote: For my testing for trac #7788 I want to switch from Update.1 to joyride-2298 and vice versa (using alternate boot). After switching back from joyride-2298 to Update.1 most activities do not start because their home directory does

Please help test our new 8.2.0 weekly beta, joyride-2301!

2008-08-14 Thread Michael Stone
We are thrilled to announce a new test build, joyride-2301, valid until Wednesday, August 20. Please help test it according to the detailed instructions at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Friends_in_testing while we still have time to fix issues you might find! Our specific interest this week

Re: Missing critical dependency, Koji

2008-08-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 02:13:28PM +1000, James Cameron wrote: We don't have a duplicate of Koji we can use? How wrong is that! We talked about it but Dennis argued passionately that a) creating our own koji instance would be additional infrastructure that we can ill-afford to maintain

Re: A simple signed bundle/directory trust scheme for the XS

2008-08-11 Thread Michael Stone
Martin, Thanks for your note. Unfortunately, it left me with more questions than with answers. Some questions include: * What use cases are you trying to support? * What threats obstruct supporting those use cases? * What trust structure are you trying to create and how does it

Re: builds for releases

2008-08-11 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 08:28:40AM -0400, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: The next major feature release after 8.2.0 is called 9.1.0. FYI An overview of release names, status and schedules is at: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Releases That webpage says what the releases are - I wish it said more about

Re: [Server-devel] A simple signed bundle/directory trust scheme for the XS

2008-08-11 Thread Michael Stone
Martin, Thanks for your note. Unfortunately, it left me with more questions than with answers. Some questions include: * What use cases are you trying to support? * What threats obstruct supporting those use cases? * What trust structure are you trying to create and how does it

Re: Wellington smoketest notes - joyride-2270

2008-08-09 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 04:08:53PM +1200, Martin Langhoff wrote: - Filling up on the disk -- log of one test using the journal, copying large files from usb drives. XO behaves mostly normal (with Browse and chat) up to 10M free (df -f says 11M free). At that point: - Opening Write fails with

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