Re: [Sugar-devel] behaviour of F-keys on XO HS

2010-07-21 Thread pbrobin...@gmail.com
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:27 AM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah How we detect what keyboard is present? Wouldn't you be better of using xkeys or what ever gtk uses and they you don't need to what keyboard is present, it would just work. Peter On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 9:26 PM,

Re: [Sugar-devel] behaviour of F-keys on XO HS

2010-07-20 Thread Paul Fox
james wrote: On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 01:04:06AM -0400, Raul Gutierrez Segales wrote: On Mon, 2010-07-19 at 21:33 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah How we detect what keyboard is present?

Re: [Sugar-devel] behaviour of F-keys on XO HS

2010-07-19 Thread Paul Fox
i'd like to bring this discussion to a conclusion. i'm starting to be a fan of this proposal of bert's -- it's very simple, keeps the keys the same in sugar and in gnome, and on membrane and non-membrane keyboards, it's backwards compatible with existing use on XO-1, and the volume/ brightness

Re: [Sugar-devel] behaviour of F-keys on XO HS

2010-07-19 Thread Walter Bender
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Paul Fox p...@laptop.org wrote: i'd like to bring this discussion to a conclusion. i'm starting to be a fan of this proposal of bert's -- it's very simple, keeps the keys the same in sugar and in gnome, and on membrane and non-membrane keyboards, it's

Re: [Sugar-devel] behaviour of F-keys on XO HS

2010-07-19 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
Yeah How we detect what keyboard is present? Gonzalo On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Paul Fox p...@laptop.org wrote: i'd like to bring this discussion to a conclusion. i'm starting to be a fan of this proposal

Re: [Sugar-devel] behaviour of F-keys on XO HS

2010-07-19 Thread Walter Bender
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah How we detect what keyboard is present? You can possible to detect the XO 1, which guarantees a membrane keyboard. And a non-OLPC machine, which guarantees a non-membrane keyboard. It is the XO 1.5 that is at issue.

Re: [Sugar-devel] behaviour of F-keys on XO HS

2010-07-19 Thread Raul Gutierrez Segales
On Mon, 2010-07-19 at 21:33 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah How we detect what keyboard is present? You can possible to detect the XO 1, which guarantees a membrane keyboard. And a non-OLPC machine, which guarantees

Re: [Sugar-devel] behaviour of F-keys on XO HS

2010-07-19 Thread James Cameron
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 01:04:06AM -0400, Raul Gutierrez Segales wrote: On Mon, 2010-07-19 at 21:33 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah How we detect what keyboard is present?

Re: [Sugar-devel] behaviour of F-keys on XO HS

2010-07-17 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Thu, 15-07-2010 a las 23:08 -0400, Paul Fox escribió: i think everyone (except apple, i'm learning tonight) agrees this is the correct setup when not in sugar. Lenovo also seems to be switching to the Apple layout:

Re: [Sugar-devel] behaviour of F-keys on XO HS

2010-07-17 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 17.07.2010, at 09:31, Bernie Innocenti wrote: El Thu, 15-07-2010 a las 23:08 -0400, Paul Fox escribió: i think everyone (except apple, i'm learning tonight) agrees this is the correct setup when not in sugar. Lenovo also seems to be switching to the Apple layout:

Re: [Sugar-devel] behaviour of F-keys on XO HS

2010-07-15 Thread Tim McNamara
On 16 July 2010 10:50, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: Under non-sugar environments (e.g. GNOME), myself and Paul are in agreement that in order to change brightness and volume, you should press e.g. Fn+F9 (to decrease brightness). This matches behaviour of normal laptops, including the

Re: [Sugar-devel] behaviour of F-keys on XO HS

2010-07-15 Thread Gary Martin
On 15 Jul 2010, at 23:59, Tim McNamara paperl...@timmcnamara.co.nz wrote: On 16 July 2010 10:50, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: Under non-sugar environments (e.g. GNOME), myself and Paul are in agreement that in order to change brightness and volume, you should press e.g. Fn+F9 (to

Re: [Sugar-devel] behaviour of F-keys on XO HS

2010-07-15 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
May be it's too late, but i was modifying Paint to use the slider keys (F5,F6,F7,F8) to change the size of the brush. I know there aren't other uses of slider in Sugar, but I think it's useful and expressive to have keys to enlarge or reduce the brush, the fonts,etc. If we need F5 and F6 to the

Re: [Sugar-devel] behaviour of F-keys on XO HS

2010-07-15 Thread Walter Bender
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:23 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@gmail.com wrote: May be it's too late, but i was modifying Paint to use the slider keys (F5,F6,F7,F8) to change the size of the brush. I know there aren't other uses of slider in Sugar, but I think it's useful and expressive to have keys

Re: [Sugar-devel] behaviour of F-keys on XO HS

2010-07-15 Thread Walter Bender
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:23 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@gmail.com wrote: May be it's too late, but i was modifying Paint to use the slider keys (F5,F6,F7,F8) to change the size of the brush. I know there aren't other uses of slider in Sugar, but I think it's useful and expressive to have keys

Re: [Sugar-devel] behaviour of F-keys on XO HS

2010-07-15 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
This is a regression. It used to (2007) return keycodes. May be. Where is the keyboard definition? Gonzalo ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] behaviour of F-keys on XO HS

2010-07-15 Thread Daniel Drake
On 15 July 2010 18:26, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Presumably there is a way to detect which keyboard is installed in the machine? While I love Gonzalo's use of the F5-F8 keys, the need for Frame and Journal keys on the non-membrane keyboards is more important in my

Re: [Sugar-devel] behaviour of F-keys on XO HS

2010-07-15 Thread Paul Fox
daniel wrote: On 15 July 2010 18:26, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Presumably there is a way to detect which keyboard is installed in the machine? While I love Gonzalo's use of the F5-F8 keys, the need for Frame and Journal keys on the non-membrane keyboards is more