Re: Congratulations! but Sugar sucks

2008-07-31 Thread Bastien
Let me try to prioritize this list, from what I've experienced in the field (Haïti): Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. The datastore 2. OS Updates 3. File Sharing 4. Activity Modification 5. Bitfrost 6. Power management I'd reorder this into: 1. Power management 2. OS

Re: Congratulations! but Sugar sucks

2008-07-25 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 24.07.2008 um 17:53 schrieb Benjamin M. Schwartz: Bert Freudenberg wrote: | Am 24.07.2008 um 14:25 schrieb Benjamin M. Schwartz: | | 1. The datastore | 2. OS Updates | 3. File Sharing | 4. Activity Modification | 5. Bitfrost | 6. Power management | | Note that half of these items

Re: [sugar] Congratulations! but Sugar sucks

2008-07-25 Thread Jameson Chema Quinn
| 1. The datastore | 2. OS Updates | 3. File Sharing | 4. Activity Modification | 5. Bitfrost | 6. Power management On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 11:02 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: really surprisingly

Congratulations! but Sugar sucks

2008-07-24 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
(Foreword: I originally intended to send this e-mail after the release of 8.2.0, but I have been convinced to send it earlier in order to prompt discussion) Dear OLPC developers, Congratulations on your work so far towards 8.2.0, with its new UI, new underpinnings, and thousands of individual

Re: Congratulations! but Sugar sucks

2008-07-24 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
I'm not familiar with the details of the Rainbow implementation, but I question this claim: Sugar, as it currently stands, is among the least secure operating systems ever, far less secure than any modern Linux or Windows OS. I can easily write an Activity that, when run by the user,

Re: Congratulations! but Sugar sucks

2008-07-24 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mikus Grinbergs wrote: | I'm not familiar with the details of the Rainbow implementation, but | I question this claim: | | Sugar, as it currently stands, is among the least secure operating systems | ever, far less secure than any modern Linux or

Re: Congratulations! but Sugar sucks

2008-07-24 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 24.07.2008 um 14:25 schrieb Benjamin M. Schwartz: 1. The datastore 2. OS Updates 3. File Sharing 4. Activity Modification 5. Bitfrost 6. Power management Note that half of these items have nothing to do with Sugar, oo the subject line is a bit misleading. - Bert -

Re: Congratulations! but Sugar sucks

2008-07-24 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bert Freudenberg wrote: | Am 24.07.2008 um 14:25 schrieb Benjamin M. Schwartz: | | 1. The datastore | 2. OS Updates | 3. File Sharing | 4. Activity Modification | 5. Bitfrost | 6. Power management | | Note that half of these items have nothing to do

Re: Congratulations! but Sugar sucks

2008-07-24 Thread Kimberley Quirk
Ben, I think many people will agree with much of what you have identified in your rant; and we have been working on making the most progress we can given the constraints of the 'real' world: 1 - 350,000 laptops in the hands of kids today. This alone takes most of the resources away from

From way out in right field Re: [sugar] Congratulations! but Sugar sucks

2008-07-24 Thread Joel Rees
On 平成 20/07/25, at 6:53, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bert Freudenberg wrote: | Am 24.07.2008 um 14:25 schrieb Benjamin M. Schwartz: | | 1. The datastore | 2. OS Updates | 3. File Sharing | 4. Activity Modification | 5. Bitfrost | 6. Power

Re: Congratulations! but Sugar sucks

2008-07-24 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kimberley Quirk wrote: | I think many people will agree with much of what you have identified | in your rant; and we have been working on making the most progress we | can given the constraints of the 'real' world: Kim: Though I was obviously trying

Re: Congratulations! but Sugar sucks

2008-07-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The list of missing features needed to make Sugar a first-rate system is really surprisingly short. Fantastic news! As Kim points out, we knew most (all?) those things already, and we are just extremely short on

Re: Congratulations! but Sugar sucks

2008-07-24 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: really surprisingly short. Each item on the list has been debated to a stationary point over the last two years, so all that is left is to make a final decision for the engineers to execute. Each task could be