Re: [Its.an.education.project] An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-13 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 2:03 AM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have always believed we need Sugar. One only has to watch a child struggle with a conventional desktop (Windows, Linux or Mac) to see the need

Re: [Its.an.education.project] An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-13 Thread Bobby Powers
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 2:03 AM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have always believed we need Sugar. One only has to watch a child

Re: [Its.an.education.project] An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 2:03 AM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have always believed we need Sugar. One only has to watch a child struggle with a conventional desktop (Windows, Linux or Mac) to see the need It's a lot more than that . When you contrast the current WIMP UI and generic

Re: [Its.an.education.project] An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-10 Thread Edward Cherlin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; OLPC Devel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 9, 2008 4:59:04 PM Subject: Re: [Its.an.education.project] An OLPC Development Model On 10.05.2008 00:13, Bert Freudenberg wrote: On 09.05.2008, at 20:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bert, if you try and say that the entire world

Re: [Its.an.education.project] An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-10 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Mikus Grinbergs wrote: Frankly, I don't see a logic difference between Negroponte talking about extending the OLPC hardware to Windows (presumably to increase recognition of the OLPC), and those talking about extending Sugar to a standard desktop (presumably to increase recognition of

Re: [Its.an.education.project] An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-10 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Slight correction, I should have said GNU/Linux below. Bernie Innocenti wrote: Mikus Grinbergs wrote: Frankly, I don't see a logic difference between Negroponte talking about extending the OLPC hardware to Windows (presumably to increase recognition of the OLPC), and those talking about

Re: [Its.an.education.project] An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi David, unfortunately I don't have time right now to enter again in this debate, but I wanted to do one comment: On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 6:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: many people have pointed out the limitations of the journal approach, and problems with not naming activites and files.

Re: [Its.an.education.project] An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-09 Thread david
On Wed, 7 May 2008, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: On Tue, 6 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ubuntu takes packages maintaned externally and picks what version of each of those packages to put in the main distro. the versions of these seperate packages are almost entirely independant of each

Re: [Its.an.education.project] An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-09 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 09.05.2008, at 09:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 7 May 2008, Jim Gettys wrote: On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 09:17 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: On Tue, 6 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ubuntu takes packages maintaned externally and picks what version of each of those packages

Re: [Its.an.education.project] An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-09 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 9:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 7 May 2008, Jim Gettys wrote: We must fix this Help greatfully appreciated. It isn't very much work to get there from here. at the moment it doesn't seem as if there's agreement yet that this does need to get fixed.

Re: [Its.an.education.project] An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-09 Thread david
On Fri, 9 May 2008, Bert Freudenberg wrote: On 09.05.2008, at 09:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 7 May 2008, Jim Gettys wrote: On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 09:17 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: On Tue, 6 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ubuntu takes packages maintaned externally and

Re: [Its.an.education.project] An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-09 Thread david
On Fri, 9 May 2008, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 9:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 7 May 2008, Jim Gettys wrote: We must fix this Help greatfully appreciated. It isn't very much work to get there from here. at the moment it doesn't seem as if there's

Re: [Its.an.education.project] An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-09 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what about Sugar software running as well as possible on normal linux boxes? without having to install the full sugar package and run everything under sugar in one window. this doesn't mean that some libraries won't need to be

Re: [Its.an.education.project] An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-09 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in part the other response to my message that seemed to have the attitude that 'fixing' the problem would reduce Sugar to 'just another WM' rendering it worthless. That's not how I read Greg post but anyway... there have been other

Re: [Its.an.education.project] An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-09 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 09.05.2008, at 09:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: which is why I fail to see the big point of Sugar. [...] a perfect example was the suggeation to make the sugarized activities use a standard file picker call so that it could go to the journal on the XO machine, or to a normal file

Re: [Its.an.education.project] An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-09 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On 5/9/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 7 May 2008, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: On Tue, 6 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ubuntu takes packages maintaned externally and picks what version of each of those packages to put in the main distro. the versions of these

Re: [Its.an.education.project] An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-09 Thread Bobby Powers
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what about Sugar software running as well as possible on normal linux boxes? without having to install the full sugar package and run everything under

Re: [Its.an.education.project] An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-09 Thread Morgan Collett
2008/5/9 Bobby Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As for the sharing stuff, I know you can download and use the telepathy libs, but would you also need a presence service running? Could this be automatically started when an app wants to collaborate, or is it something that would have to be running in

Re: [Its.an.education.project] An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-09 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Bobby Powers wrote: On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what about Sugar software running as well as possible on normal

Re: [Its.an.education.project] An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-09 Thread Jim Gettys
On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 15:30 +0200, Bobby Powers wrote: The way I see it it is somewhat of a two way street. Personally, if I'm going to run Sugar apps in Gnome I would prefer them to integrate nicely with my other apps, just as I would prefer apps running in Sugar to be 'sugary'.

Re: [Its.an.education.project] An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-09 Thread david
On Fri, 9 May 2008, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: Bobby Powers wrote: On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what about Sugar

Re: [Its.an.education.project] An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-09 Thread david
On Fri, 9 May 2008, Bert Freudenberg wrote: On 09.05.2008, at 09:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: which is why I fail to see the big point of Sugar. [...] a perfect example was the suggeation to make the sugarized activities use a standard file picker call so that it could go to the journal on

Re: [Its.an.education.project] An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-09 Thread Greg DeKoenigsberg
On Fri, 9 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 9 May 2008, Bert Freudenberg wrote: On 09.05.2008, at 09:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: which is why I fail to see the big point of Sugar. [...] a perfect example was the suggeation to make the sugarized activities use a standard file

Re: [Its.an.education.project] An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-07 Thread Greg DeKoenigsberg
On Tue, 6 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ubuntu takes packages maintaned externally and picks what version of each of those packages to put in the main distro. the versions of these seperate packages are almost entirely independant of each other. they then do a lot of testing and some

Re: [Its.an.education.project] An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-07 Thread Jim Gettys
On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 09:17 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: On Tue, 6 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ubuntu takes packages maintaned externally and picks what version of each of those packages to put in the main distro. the versions of these seperate packages are almost entirely

Re: [Its.an.education.project] An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-07 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 3:04 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 07.05.2008, at 22:11, C. Scott Ananian wrote: And it's certainly no coincidence that the list of activities in olpc3 is

Re: [Its.an.education.project] An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-07 Thread Steve Holton
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Stephen John Smoogen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is something I remember coming up a lot back when Red Hat first started putting out Rawhide. We would get lots of tickets from people who would install it and expect it to a) work and b) be supported. This was

Re: [Its.an.education.project] An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-07 Thread Samuel Klein
2008/5/7 Steve Holton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Case in point, it bugs me when the wiki documents features of versions which haven't been released yet, or declares a problem fixed because some later, as yet unreleased version no longer shows the problem. Well, it's correct to document features of