Re: CIPA done

2008-05-09 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Martin et al, Not a lawyer... but I know law and I have studied the issue of law and filtering of the public information and I gave consulting to many congressmen that were the ones that establish the peruvian laws about what children can see and cannot see (I will not get in the debate about

Re: CIPA done

2008-05-09 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello John and all, Tip 1: Due to one of my previous works I have been able to check the log of huge servers here in Peru. I was looking for technical reasons for some weird behaviour on a small network. Then, suddenly, I realize that the word sex and sex related websites were all over the

Re: CIPA done

2008-05-09 Thread Hal Murray
b) The filtering software MUST be installed on each computer (not in a proxy or any other intermediary device). Article 2 (El cumplimiento de esta obligacion se hace efectivo mediante la instalaciĆ³n, en todas las computadoras, de programas o software especiales de filtro y bloqueo...)

Re: CIPA done

2008-05-09 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Martin Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 04:06:03PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: [. . .] It is sufficient if we clearly obey the law, and don't seek to go beyond it. Any lawyers around? go beyond implies interpret -- the only safe

Re: CIPA done

2008-05-09 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't know why Hal... that was not one of my suggestions to the law. Been in the law is not a guarantee that is related to justice or related to technical stuff. Be totally sure that the kids will disable the filters by themselves... (go kids! :-) ) but the problem is the same: we need

Re: CIPA done

2008-05-08 Thread John Watlington
On May 7, 2008, at 4:28 PM, Eben Eliason wrote: On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Joshua N Pritikin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 04:17:04PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Joshua N Pritikin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That doesn't mean it's a

Re: CIPA done

2008-05-08 Thread Joshua N Pritikin
On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 02:52:52PM -0400, John Watlington wrote: It appears acceptable for the filtering to be done external to the laptop/computer, as long as it can't easily be circumvented. Hence my questions to devel a while back about forcing Gecko to use a non-transparent proxy. Why

Re: CIPA done

2008-05-08 Thread Tom Hoffman
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Joshua N Pritikin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe we MUST error on the conservative side, especially for American deployments. If you're sending home user modifiable wifi-capable computers with kids, you're already a long way from the conservative side of

Re: CIPA done

2008-05-08 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An acceptable middle ground for you would probably be software which mangles the US constitution like this: Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of sXXXch, or the right of the people peaceably to

Re: CIPA done

2008-05-08 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 08.05.2008 22:29, Joshua N Pritikin wrote: On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 04:16:48PM -0400, Tom Hoffman wrote: On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Joshua N Pritikin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe we MUST error on the

Re: CIPA done

2008-05-08 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 04:06:03PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: [. . .] It is sufficient if we clearly obey the law, and don't seek to go beyond it. Any lawyers around? go beyond implies interpret -- the only safe course is to comply exactly and minimally, IMHO. Martin pgpDcz8IyqO41.pgp

Re: CIPA done

2008-05-08 Thread John Watlington
On May 8, 2008, at 7:58 PM, Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 04:06:03PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: [. . .] It is sufficient if we clearly obey the law, and don't seek to go beyond it. Any lawyers around? go beyond implies interpret -- the only safe course is to comply

Re: CIPA done (was: OLPC Project suggestions.)

2008-05-07 Thread Joshua N Pritikin
On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 02:35:07AM -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote: Child-safe web filtering on XO Regardless of its merits, CIPA requires it for XO deployments in US schools: Here are the requirements: http://ifea.net/cipa.pdf The easy way out is child ownership. The requirements only

Re: CIPA done (was: OLPC Project suggestions.)

2008-05-07 Thread Albert Cahalan
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Joshua N Pritikin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is totally half-assed. As a parent, I would be pissed off when I became aware of the quality of such an OLPC web filtering solution. How about if we place a DansGuardian transparent proxy on a public IP

Re: CIPA done

2008-05-07 Thread Joshua N Pritikin
[Already sent to Cahalan, forgot to CC devel] On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 02:51:27PM -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote: On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Joshua N Pritikin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is totally half-assed. As a parent, I would be pissed off when I became aware of the quality of

Re: CIPA done

2008-05-07 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Joshua N Pritikin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Already sent to Cahalan, forgot to CC devel] On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 02:51:27PM -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote: On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Joshua N Pritikin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is totally

Re: CIPA done

2008-05-07 Thread Joshua N Pritikin
On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 04:17:04PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Joshua N Pritikin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That doesn't mean it's a good idea to allow them to read filthy stories. It's one thing to comply with the law, but we should try to comply with the

Re: CIPA done

2008-05-07 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Joshua N Pritikin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 04:17:04PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Joshua N Pritikin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That doesn't mean it's a good idea to allow them to read filthy stories.