Re: Free Software Foundation Files Suit Against Cisco For GPL Violations

2008-12-13 Thread James Cameron
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 10:27:52PM -0800, Edward Cherlin wrote: Interesting. I have never received a Linux system with either the source code or a written offer of source code. Oh? That's not supposed to happen. If a hardware vendor provides a system with Linux on it, that is distribution,

Re: Free Software Foundation Files Suit Against Cisco For GPL Violations

2008-12-13 Thread Morgan Collett
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 10:07, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 10:27:52PM -0800, Edward Cherlin wrote: Interesting. I have never received a Linux system with either the source code or a written offer of source code. Oh? That's not supposed to happen. If a

Re: Free Software Foundation Files Suit Against Cisco For GPL Violations

2008-12-13 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Saturday 13 December 2008 03:04, da...@lang.hm wrote: for the record I believe that the google G1 phone is open, the various other android based phones are locked down. actually not true: http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2008/12/09#20081209-google_htc_android_g1 there seems to be a

Re: Free Software Foundation Files Suit Against Cisco For GPL Violations

2008-12-12 Thread Walter Bender
Are there any places where Sugar is in violation of its licenses? -walter On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:14 PM, John Gilmore g...@toad.com wrote: OLPC is at risk of similar action unless it gets its act together. The project and its customers have skated by on GPL compliance, figuring that we're

Re: Free Software Foundation Files Suit Against Cisco For GPL Violations

2008-12-12 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:14 AM, John Gilmore g...@toad.com wrote: OLPC is at risk of similar action unless it gets its act together. The project and its customers have skated by on GPL compliance, figuring that we're the good guys, and make halfhearted attempts every once in a while, so we

Re: Free Software Foundation Files Suit Against Cisco For GPL Violations

2008-12-12 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:52:54AM -0800, Edward Cherlin wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:14 AM, John Gilmore g...@toad.com wrote: OLPC is at risk of similar action unless it gets its act together. The project and its customers have skated by on GPL compliance, figuring that we're the good

Re: Free Software Foundation Files Suit Against Cisco For GPL Violations

2008-12-12 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:52:54AM -0800, Edward Cherlin wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:14 AM, John Gilmore g...@toad.com wrote: OLPC is at risk of similar action unless it gets its act together. The project and its

Re: Free Software Foundation Files Suit Against Cisco For GPL Violations

2008-12-12 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:34:18PM -0800, Edward Cherlin wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:52:54AM -0800, Edward Cherlin wrote: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/4268 That's a lost cursor bug. I assume you meant some other

Re: Free Software Foundation Files Suit Against Cisco For GPL Violations

2008-12-12 Thread Hal Murray
From http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/4265 (To be effective when shipping hundreds of thousands of units to non-English speakers, a translation of the license should be provided as well.) Does FSF have approved translations of their licenses? That sounds like something lawyers could get very

Re: Free Software Foundation Files Suit Against Cisco For GPL Violations

2008-12-12 Thread John Gilmore
Walter asked: Are there any places where Sugar is in violation of its licenses? Sugar is licensed under the GPLv2, and its source code seems to be provided. (Because it's written in an interpreted language, it never ships binaries -- I think. There may be some small parts that are written in C

Re: Free Software Foundation Files Suit Against Cisco For GPL Violations

2008-12-12 Thread John Gilmore
Some of us are new to one or another part of this issue, and need a bit more background. o Can you list the offending binaries and explain their faults? Sure. For example, ls is part of the Coreutils. In 8.2.0, it's licensed under GPLv3+ (try ls --version); in earlier releases, it's

Re: Free Software Foundation Files Suit Against Cisco For GPL Violations

2008-12-12 Thread david
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, John Gilmore wrote: anything -- without permission from the manufacturer. The OLPC comes with DRM, like the TiVo, the iPhone, and the Google G1 phone. While I for the record I believe that the google G1 phone is open, the various other android based phones are locked

Re: Free Software Foundation Files Suit Against Cisco For GPL Violations

2008-12-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 10:53 PM, John Gilmore g...@toad.com wrote: The last suggestion I heard from OLPC along these lines was that the We had a _private_ conversation in which I carefully said that I was _not_ speaking for OLPC, and had no say or authority over laptop stuff. I look after the

Re: Free Software Foundation Files Suit Against Cisco For GPL Violations

2008-12-12 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:53 PM, John Gilmore g...@toad.com wrote: Some of us are new to one or another part of this issue, and need a bit more background. o Can you list the offending binaries and explain their faults? Sure. For example, ls is part of the Coreutils. In 8.2.0, it's