Re: XO-1.75 progress

2010-11-14 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Chris Ball's message of Wed Nov 10 22:01:28 +0100 2010: bringup last week. The 1.75 machine lives in the same industrial design (display, case, batteries) as the XO-1/XO-1.5, but uses an ARM system-on-chip from Marvell -- the Armada 610/MMP2. Congratulations on the successful

Re: XO-1.75 progress, touchscreen, developers, audience

2010-11-13 Thread Jaya Kumar
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Carlos Nazareno object...@gmail.com wrote: Another thing I find sad is people raving on the different screen technologies like with Kindle its incredible sunlight readability when Pixel Qi much, much superior. Horses for courses.

Re: XO-1.75 progress

2010-11-12 Thread Peter Robinson
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 1:56 AM, Ed McNierney e...@laptop.org wrote: Naz - Thanks for the thoughts! IMHO it's better to delay the release of the 1.75 and force putting in a touchscreen. It's not a matter of time, it's a matter of the price deployments are willing to pay for it.  The

Re: XO-1.75 progress

2010-11-12 Thread Hal Murray
IMHO it's better to delay the release of the 1.75 and force putting in a touchscreen. It's not a matter of time, it's a matter of the price deployments are willing to pay for it. The feedback we've heard so far is that since the XO-1.75 without a touchscreen is every bit as functional as

Re: XO-1.75 progress

2010-11-12 Thread david
On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, Hal Murray wrote: IMHO it's better to delay the release of the 1.75 and force putting in a touchscreen. It's not a matter of time, it's a matter of the price deployments are willing to pay for it. The feedback we've heard so far is that since the XO-1.75 without a

Re: XO-1.75 progress

2010-11-11 Thread NoiseEHC
OLPC Engineering had a trip to Taipei for the XO-1.75 motherboard bringup last week. The 1.75 machine lives in the same industrial design (display, case, batteries) as the XO-1/XO-1.5, but uses an ARM system-on-chip from Marvell -- the Armada 610/MMP2. Now that is good news. Two

Re: XO-1.75 progress

2010-11-11 Thread Ed McNierney
Two questions: 1. Here (under Tech Specs) http://bit.ly/bdr0Cz it specs the 10 tablet with an ARMADA 168. Why did not you go with that processor? Would not that be cheaper? That's a Marvell product platform page, not OLPC's. 2. What happened to the bigger display and the touch

Re: XO-1.75 progress

2010-11-11 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 11.11.2010, at 12:49, Ed McNierney wrote: [...] we're talking about XO-1.75 right now, which is a laptop. An OLPC-3 tablet is a long way away and it's not really useful to discuss/speculate on it now. We're working on XO-1.75. - Ed Back in July there were plans to have a

Re: XO-1.75 progress

2010-11-11 Thread NoiseEHC
Okay, I will rephrase my questions maybe I will get a real answer to them: 1. Is there any reason why do you use the latest and greatest Marvell SoC instead of an old (and maybe cheaper) one? Like the tablets on the Marvell product platform page do? 2. There were plans for touch screen and

Re: XO-1.75 progress

2010-11-11 Thread Ed McNierney
Bert - No, not at all. Our plans were, and are, to build XO-1.75 laptops with touchscreen support. That's an essential step in our tablet development, we think. That will essentially provide us with a 7.5 4:3 tablet inside a laptop case. That's a little small for a tablet, but it allows

Re: XO-1.75 progress

2010-11-11 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Awesome :) If we can make Sugar and its activities work on that smallish touchscreen we'd be in an excellent position for the tablet work. /me wants one - Bert - On 11.11.2010, at 19:30, Ed McNierney wrote: Bert - No, not at all. Our plans were, and are, to build XO-1.75 laptops with

Re: XO-1.75 progress

2010-11-11 Thread Ed McNierney
Marvell's Armada SoC family is complicated. There are multiple product lines, and multiple products in each product line, with new ones coming along all the time. So it's hard to nail down just which device is the latest and greatest at any time. OLPC is (unsurprisingly) doing something a

Re: XO-1.75 progress

2010-11-11 Thread Gary Martin
Ed, On 11 Nov 2010, at 18:30, Ed McNierney e...@laptop.org wrote: Bert - No, not at all. Our plans were, and are, to build XO-1.75 laptops with touchscreen support. That's an essential step in our tablet development, we think. That will essentially provide us with a 7.5 4:3 tablet

Re: XO-1.75 progress

2010-11-11 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
You can get Marvell's spec sheets on ... the Armada 610 SoCs at: http://www.marvell.com/products/processors/applications/armada_600/armada610_pb.pdf That spec sheet is kinda skimpy. In a discussion of CPU performance for the XO-1.75, Chris Ball said we're now using a dual-issue CPU. I was not

Re: XO-1.75 progress

2010-11-11 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 11.11.2010, at 21:33, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: You can get Marvell's spec sheets on ... the Armada 610 SoCs at: http://www.marvell.com/products/processors/applications/armada_600/armada610_pb.pdf That spec sheet is kinda skimpy. In a discussion of CPU performance for the XO-1.75, Chris

Re: XO-1.75 progress

2010-11-11 Thread Carlos Nazareno
Yes, the touchscreen is very important and is a complete gamechanger. The natural reaction for everyone is to try to use the screen as a touchscreen, especially children nowadays. Painting activites like colors are more natural and it becomes easier to use point-and click games/activities that

Re: XO-1.75 progress

2010-11-11 Thread Ed McNierney
Naz - Thanks for the thoughts! IMHO it's better to delay the release of the 1.75 and force putting in a touchscreen. It's not a matter of time, it's a matter of the price deployments are willing to pay for it. The feedback we've heard so far is that since the XO-1.75 without a touchscreen

Re: XO-1.75 progress, touchscreen, developers, audience

2010-11-11 Thread Carlos Nazareno
IMHO the next XO would be irrelevant to the public without it as it would offer no significant change outside the hood from the 1.5. No, but an XO-1.75 that uses half the power and therefore provides twice the battery life is an XO that is now available to many children who don't have the

XO-1.75 progress

2010-11-10 Thread Chris Ball
Hi all, OLPC Engineering had a trip to Taipei for the XO-1.75 motherboard bringup last week. The 1.75 machine lives in the same industrial design (display, case, batteries) as the XO-1/XO-1.5, but uses an ARM system-on-chip from Marvell -- the Armada 610/MMP2. There's still a great deal of

Re: XO-1.75 progress

2010-11-10 Thread Walter Bender
Congrats!! -walter On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote: Hi all, OLPC Engineering had a trip to Taipei for the XO-1.75 motherboard bringup last week.  The 1.75 machine lives in the same industrial design (display, case, batteries) as the XO-1/XO-1.5, but uses an

Re: XO-1.75 progress

2010-11-10 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Yay! - Bert - On 10.11.2010, at 22:01, Chris Ball wrote: Hi all, OLPC Engineering had a trip to Taipei for the XO-1.75 motherboard bringup last week. The 1.75 machine lives in the same industrial design (display, case, batteries) as the XO-1/XO-1.5, but uses an ARM system-on-chip from

Re: XO-1.75 progress

2010-11-10 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Hey, that looks a lot like the conference rooms *I've* been spending weeks in! ;-) --scott --                          ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: XO-1.75 progress

2010-11-10 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
I notice in the dmesg printout that the BogoMips for this initial XO-1.75 version is less than for the G1G1 XO-1. mikus ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: XO-1.75 progress

2010-11-10 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, I notice in the dmesg printout that the BogoMips for this initial XO-1.75 version is less than for the G1G1 XO-1. BogoMIPS, of course, being the ultimate measure of CPU performance.. The most obvious reason why this isn't a meaningful comparison, which isn't to say that there aren't

Re: XO-1.75 progress

2010-11-10 Thread Ed McNierney
Mikus - Well, there's a reason Linus called them BogoMips, isn't there? - Ed On Nov 10, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: I notice in the dmesg printout that the BogoMips for this initial XO-1.75 version is less than for the G1G1 XO-1. mikus

Re: XO-1.75 progress

2010-11-10 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote: Hi all, OLPC Engineering had a trip to Taipei for the XO-1.75 motherboard bringup last week.  The 1.75 machine lives in the same industrial design (display, case, batteries) as the XO-1/XO-1.5, but uses an ARM system-on-chip

Re: XO-1.75 progress

2010-11-10 Thread Sameer Verma
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote: Hi all, OLPC Engineering had a trip to Taipei for the XO-1.75 motherboard bringup last week.  The 1.75 machine lives in the same industrial design (display, case, batteries) as the XO-1/XO-1.5, but uses an ARM system-on-chip