Re: minimizing footprint

2013-03-26 Thread John Gilmore
We are talking of end users systems, how many kids will add a cron task? I was more concerned with other Fedora packages that insert cron jobs when they are installed. But if Fedora gets the dependencies right, rpm would install and run cron at the same time the package that needs cron is

Re: minimizing footprint

2013-03-25 Thread Daniel Drake
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Paul Fox p...@laptop.org wrote: i think the point john (gilmore) was making is that it's a bad precedent that simply because a) systemd offers a second-rate API for scheduling events, and b) we only have a couple of uses for an event scheduler, that we should

Re: minimizing footprint

2013-03-24 Thread Tony Anderson
On 03/24/2013 09:38 AM, devel-requ...@lists.laptop.org wrote: It's true, we need learn new tricks, but does not have sense have a service not needed on every xo, if we can do it in a better way. Does this logic apply generally? 12.1.0 has a control panel entry 'Modem configuration'. How many

Re: minimizing footprint

2013-03-24 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Tony Anderson tony_ander...@usa.netwrote: On 03/24/2013 09:38 AM, devel-requ...@lists.laptop.org wrote: It's true, we need learn new tricks, but does not have sense have a service not needed on every xo, if we can do it in a better way. Does this logic

Re: minimizing footprint

2013-03-24 Thread Paul Fox
i think the point john (gilmore) was making is that it's a bad precedent that simply because a) systemd offers a second-rate API for scheduling events, and b) we only have a couple of uses for an event scheduler, that we should therefore switch from a well-established API to a lousy API. instead,

Re: minimizing footprint

2013-03-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Paul, On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Paul Fox p...@laptop.org wrote: but when systemd falls out of favor in a year or two we'll just have to change things again -- either to something new, or back to cron Not sure whether you're stating that straight or facetiously. Systemd has some

Re: minimizing footprint

2013-03-24 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
IMHO, if we can speed up the startup time a litle, the change worth it. We are talking of end users systems, how many kids will add a cron task? And who propose the change is dsd, we know him and is a conservative guy, does not do change without reason. We did this in the same way the last 30

Re: minimizing footprint

2013-03-24 Thread Paul Fox
martin wrote: Hi Paul, On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Paul Fox p...@laptop.org wrote: but when systemd falls out of favor in a year or two we'll just have to change things again -- either to something new, or back to cron Not sure whether you're stating that straight or