Re: Chilling Effects paper at USENIX

2008-04-09 Thread Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos
Having received a lot of publicity, the OLPC project is a great candidate for criticism, sometimes constructive, other times done in the absence of other serious academic research. Potentially weak security models in windows is no news, but in OLPC... Now this is worth taking a shot at!

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2008-04-09 Thread Andrew Bennetts
John R.Hogerhuis wrote: Let me take a crack at it... The closest thing to a valid criticism here is that bitfrost does not protect political dissidents from government monitoring and control. Similarly, a valid criticism of my shampoo is that it doesn't protect me from falling satellites.

Re: XO-specific training for a support technician

2008-04-09 Thread Simon Schampijer
Bryan Berry wrote: howdy, I am training two teachers from our pilot schools how to maintain the XO, XS, and networking equipment. I have create a wiki page of the training program I have put together http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Nepal:_Support_Training i would very much appreciate the

Re: Cutting a slice of wikipedia - CDPedia

2008-04-09 Thread Charles Merriam
Ah, the old days were cutting out the images and putting the whole thing on one's cell phone. Seriously, one might consider: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Simple is about 10,000 articles written in simple English, aimed at children trying to learn English. FYI, Charles. On Tue,

Re: RPMs and Activity bundles

2008-04-09 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
2008/4/9 Charles Merriam [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hmm.. More details? Hi, google told me this may interest you ;) http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/ch-rpm-reloc.html Cheers, Tomeu ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org

Re: RPMs and Activity bundles

2008-04-09 Thread Charles Merriam
Hmm.. More details? ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: Chilling Effects paper at USENIX

2008-04-09 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 6:21 AM, Mitch Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would have been nice if the criticisms had been delivered directly to OLPC, instead of broadcast in a public forum, where enemies of OLPC can cite and expand on them as evidence that OLPC is hopelessly screwed up, so

Re: RPMs and Activity bundles

2008-04-09 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
It depends on the contents of the rpm. In some cases you would need to rebuild... Marco On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 6:20 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I am trying to construct an activity that is simple, but depends on a Fedora

Re: Chilling Effects paper at USENIX

2008-04-09 Thread Charles Merriam
I'm a bit slow, being a bugbear of very little brain. I read the paper, and it seems to summarize as: 1. The BitFrost Specification is documentation, not detailed implementation. The author does not read code. 2. BitFrost does not promise anonymity. 3. BitFrost does not cover how to

Re: [PATCH] Remove Ctrl-O (the letter oh) keyboard shortcut to fix #4646

2008-04-09 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Pushed, will be in next sugar release. Thanks, Martin! Tomeu On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I'm fine with this. - Eben On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Martin Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eben, There's been a trac bug open for a

Re: Cutting a slice of wikipedia - CDPedia

2008-04-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 6:21 AM, Charles Merriam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, the old days were cutting out the images and putting the whole thing on one's cell phone. :-) Seriously, one might consider: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Simple is about 10,000 articles written in

Re: Cutting a slice of wikipedia - CDPedia

2008-04-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
[fixed the server-devel list address] On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 6:21 AM, Charles Merriam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, the old days were cutting out the images and putting the whole thing on one's cell phone. :-) Seriously, one might consider: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

Re: [Server-devel] [OLPC India] need help w/ OLPC technical training program

2008-04-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 3:38 AM, Bryan Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The XS guide would be extremely useful. I am concerned about creating a guide for it when it is still under rapid development. Please make sure you are in close contact w/ Martin Langhoff so you don't have to document a

Re: Chilling Effects paper at USENIX

2008-04-09 Thread Walter Bender
Charles, An attempt to answer some of your questions: Could someone let me know if *all* the BitFrost implementation is opensource? yes Long lived photograph/name/laptop pairing is made. In current implementations, there is no photograph, so any discussion of the implementation details is

Re: RPMs and Activity bundles

2008-04-09 Thread Paul Fox
benjamin m. schwartz wrote: I am trying to construct an activity that is simple, but depends on a Fedora 7 RPM that is not installed by default. The security system prevents my activity from installing any RPMs, as it should. However, I would like to include this software within my

Re: RPMs and Activity bundles

2008-04-09 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: | It depends on the contents of the rpm. In some cases you would need to | rebuild... | OK, how about instructions starting with a SRPM? - --Ben -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment:

Re: RPMs and Activity bundles

2008-04-09 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: | It depends on the contents of the rpm. In some cases you would need to | rebuild... | OK, how about instructions starting with a

Re: Line In Not Responding

2008-04-09 Thread Chris Barrett
Hello all you fabulous people. After much review and consulting an electrical engineer who owed me a favor I was able to get into the XO and figure out what had happened. The Zener Diode D13 had indeed fried, I removed it and the system works again. I will replace it with something suitable

Re: Chilling Effects paper at USENIX

2008-04-09 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler
Charles Merriam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I read the paper, and it seems to summarize as: 1. The BitFrost Specification is documentation, not detailed implementation. The author does not read code. [...] It seems like OLPC F. should issue an immediate (preemptive) response saying:

New faster build 1847

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Re: Chilling Effects paper at USENIX

2008-04-09 Thread Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
On 09.04.2008 05:50, Jaya Kumar wrote: On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Joshua N Pritikin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 10:24:34PM -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: A paper called Freezing More Than Bits: Chilling Effects of the OLPC XO Security Model will be

Re: Cutting a slice of wikipedia - CDPedia

2008-04-09 Thread Samuel Klein
It's nice to see a python toolchain for this (though I don't see any code at that url?) They exist in other languages as well. We've been working with Linterweb's Kiwix (kiwix.org) and the Schools-Wikipedia, which use their own toolchains. Alecu, take a look at the [[wikislice]] project on the

Re: Chilling Effects paper at USENIX

2008-04-09 Thread Jeffrey Kesselman
I'm not a security expert and won't even BEGIN to comment on that aspect. My only comment is that one true measure of success is the prominence of your detractors. SO rather then getting noses out of joint, I'd suggest taking it as a compliment and true measure of success that the project was

Re: Bundles, versions, and updates - oh my!

2008-04-09 Thread Jameson Chema Quinn
My terminology in the preceding letter was bad. Rather than resend the fixed version, I put it on the wiki: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Bundles_and_updates. Please read that instead of the letter above: it has all the same content, but with better clarity, and one added paragraph near the end.

Re: Bundles, versions, and updates - oh my!

2008-04-09 Thread Jameson Chema Quinn
Sorry for clogging people's inboxes, but, in the spirit of having a livelier discussion on the mailing list, here are the most-changed sections from the wiki page. If we reach some conclusion here, I will take responsibility for keepint the wiki page up-to-date.

Re: Cutting a slice of wikipedia - CDPedia

2008-04-09 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yesterday we had a mini-sprint with argentinian pythonistas and we discussed Alecu's CDPedia which is a Python toolchain that does are good job of cutting a slice of wikipedia and cutting off the least interesting

Re: Line In Not Responding

2008-04-09 Thread Arjun Sarwal
Chris Thank you for the feedback and for sharing your experience. I'm glad to know your XO is fine now. Please do include what voltage you used (and approx how long if possible) that made this happen. many thanks Arjun 2008/4/9 Chris Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello all you fabulous people.

Re: Cutting a slice of wikipedia - CDPedia

2008-04-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Samuel Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's nice to see a python toolchain for this (though I don't see any code at that url?) They exist in other languages as well. We've been working with Linterweb's Kiwix (kiwix.org) and the Schools-Wikipedia, which use their

Re: Cutting a slice of wikipedia - CDPedia

2008-04-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Samuel Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's nice to see a python toolchain for this (though I don't see any code at that url?) They exist in other languages as well. We've been working with Linterweb's Kiwix (kiwix.org) and the Schools-Wikipedia, which use their

New joyride build 1849

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Re: Get involved - Measure Activity on the XO

2008-04-09 Thread Edward Cherlin
2007/9/14 Arjun Sarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Measure Activity on the XO (The Activity which converts the XO into an oscilloscope, a spectrum analyzer and a data logger !) [Improvements snipped] How can you help ? I wrote a report some years ago under the title Personal Instruments, talking about

New faster build 1850

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Re: Get involved - Measure Activity on the XO

2008-04-09 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Richard A. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Edward Cherlin wrote: Use the stereo input channels as sources for XY plots and for two-channel input, either in half-screen windows or on the same axes. The two data sources can be plotted in different colors.