Re: Translation refresh

2008-04-21 Thread Charles Merriam
Just so I can get it into the wiki correctly, the primary release steps you mention: 1. Check-in: Making sure all the relevant changes are checked into GIT on proper branches, and that the result is only completed functionality that seems to work together. 2. Testing: Building it, getting

Cerebro released

2008-04-21 Thread Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos
(sorry for cross-postings) The first release of Cerebro is out! Cerebro basically offers scalable presence information and a simple collaboration API. Features currently include: - presence information (including distance and route) for all other users in the network - dynamic rate of updates

Re: [solved] freezing DCON for insecure boot

2008-04-21 Thread Yuan Chao
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 8:39 PM, Bernie Innocenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Forth command dcon-freeze will freeze the screen immediately. Either can be executed from inside olpc.fth Putting dcon-freeze in olpc.fth works great on my B4. This is of secondary importance to me, but I

Re: list of laptops connected to jabber

2008-04-21 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
Le samedi 19 avril 2008 à 22:18 +0300, Giannis Galanis a écrit : In the testbed in peabody, the list of peers seen from the server is usually a superset of what we see from each individual mesh view. Could be related to: #6883 #6884 #6888 It would be very useful if we could get the list

Re: to be deployed Epaati version is out!

2008-04-21 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 21.04.2008, at 10:38, Ties Stuij wrote: Well, it took us at OLE Nepal a whole lot of sweat and especially tears, but finally, after half a year of hard work, we finished the first build that is actually going to be used by actual Nepali kids, in an actual classroom setting. This build,

Re: Translation refresh

2008-04-21 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
2008/4/20 Kim Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Bernie, I'd like to make two points regarding your notes: 1 - OLPC cannot be responsible for activities. So it is really much better that the activities are now separate from the base code to help get this point across to the country. As a 'sales' type

Benevolence and morale

2008-04-21 Thread Morgan Collett
Interesting essay by Paul Graham on running a startup like a non-profit - the power of benevolence: http://paulgraham.com/good.html I found it inspiring in the context of OLPC, given that OLPC is a non-profit, yet going through startup-style challenges. Note his section on morale: Morale is

to be deployed Epaati version is out!

2008-04-21 Thread Ties Stuij
Well, it took us at OLE Nepal a whole lot of sweat and especially tears, but finally, after half a year of hard work, we finished the first build that is actually going to be used by actual Nepali kids, in an actual classroom setting. This build, version 10, sports a whopping 47 activities, which

Re: [Olpc-open] Making Plans

2008-04-21 Thread Simon Schampijer
Hi, Edward Cherlin wrote: On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Chris, Scott, and I are formulating a release strategy for the next 8 or so months with detailed information about what we hope to release in 4 months. It remains to be seen how the

Re: [solved] freezing DCON for insecure boot

2008-04-21 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Mon, 2008-04-21 at 10:04 +0200, Yuan Chao wrote: If your XOs are B4 or prior, I've asked similar questions to OLPC support and they said this is normal. B4 doesn't have the activate entry in mfg-data as I check which might be the cause? Yes, min was actually a B3. You can list what

Re: to be deployed Epaati version is out!

2008-04-21 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi, On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Ties Stuij [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... This build, version 10, sports a whopping 47 activities, which is why it's 105 mb in size. The loading time of individual activities has also diminished by quite a bit (sometimes loading is 3 to 4 times as

Internet wide chat

2008-04-21 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Ciao, here in Turkey they asked me how two kids or a kid and a parent may chat to each other between two households. Usually I get quite the opposite question :-) They understand there will also be privacy concerns to be addressed, but for now they are more interested in how feasible it would

Re: Mini-conference followup

2008-04-21 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, sorry for the late reply, I've been laying in bed with quite heavy fever the whole of last week. On the plus side I was fit again this (last) saturday, to go to Berlin and found the olpc germany association. (More news on this will follow..) On Tuesday 08 April 2008 15:21, Holger Levsen

cleaning up machine-specific security settings - what can I delete in /security/state?

2008-04-21 Thread Bryan Berry
Michael, I am customizing build 703 w/ a custom set of activities, rpms, and other settings. Currently, I am deleting - rm ~/.sugar - delete host name from /etc/hosts - rm -r ~/isolation - rm /var/lib/dbus/machine-id Which machine-specific settings can I remove from /security/state ? I

Re: [Olpc-open] Making Plans

2008-04-21 Thread Kim Quirk
OLPC's focus is on development, funding and delivery of laptops to the least developed countries. The expectations for features, testing, support, logistics, delivery, IT and RF infrastructure (to name a few things) are widely different between schools in Rwanda and those in NYC (for example). We

RPMs for speech-dispatcher missing python code?

2008-04-21 Thread James Simmons
Hemant, Yesterday I finally got around to installing your ROMs on my XO. I was able got configure speech-dispatcher and get spd-say to work correctly, but when I tried to run my test python program it bailed out on the import speechd statement, saying speechd could not be found. This leads

Document sharing issues

2008-04-21 Thread James Simmons
Morgan, I did some work on View Slides over the weekend and I got the document sharing code to work OK. There are still some bugs, but they are not related to sharing, at least not directly. However, in fixing the code I discovered the following issues: 1). Unlike the core Read activity,

Re: Internet wide chat

2008-04-21 Thread Eben Eliason
- for large schools of 1000 students, they ask how the mesh view UI would scale. Are we switching to a search-based interface in when there are so many kids clustered in the same LAN? This is the intended design direction, but it hasn't been implemented yet. We do have search, but we

Re: Internet wide chat

2008-04-21 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, - They asked if video chat is possible. I recall someone was working on it months ago. What is the current status? We need two things: a codec that we can encode and decode in real-time (the demo from 2006 used h.263) and a transport layer -- I think we have a UDP transport for

New joyride build 1889

2008-04-21 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1889 Changes in build 1889 from build: 1870 Size delta: 17.57M +kernel-PAE 2.6.23.1-21.fc7 -python-jinja 1.2-2.fc7 +python-jinja 1.2-1.fc7 -kernel 2.6.22-20080408.1.olpc.de2a86ff3b60edc --- Included kernel-PAE version 2.6.23.1-21.fc7

Re: Document sharing issues

2008-04-21 Thread Chris Ball
Hi James, 3). Because downloading documents is so slow, I have modified my Read toolbar to have a running count of bytes downloaded so the user doesn't have to stare at an unchanging screen for several minutes wondering if anything is going on. In the core Read code I

Re: Internet wide chat

2008-04-21 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - They asked if video chat is possible. I recall someone was working on it months ago. What is the current status? We need two things: a codec that we can encode and decode in real-time (the demo from 2006

New faster build 1889

2008-04-21 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/faster/build1889 Changes in build 1889 from build: 1870 Size delta: 17.43M +kernel-PAE 2.6.23.1-21.fc7 -python-jinja 1.2-2.fc7 +python-jinja 1.2-1.fc7 -kernel 2.6.22-20080408.1.olpc.de2a86ff3b60edc --- Included kernel-PAE version 2.6.23.1-21.fc7

Re: cleaning up machine-specific security settings - what can I delete in /security/state?

2008-04-21 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Please customize the pre-boot image, thanks. That will spare you these problems. --scott On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Bryan Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, I am customizing build 703 w/ a custom set of activities, rpms, and other settings. Currently, I am deleting - rm

Re: cleaning up machine-specific security settings - what can I delete in /security/state?

2008-04-21 Thread Bryan Berry
sounds great and perhaps easier said than done. Do you mean editing the 703...tar.bz2 package? Then I have to package it up into a nice jffs2 iso image, test it again to make sure everything works. Unfortunately, I don't have time to try out something new, I have to complete the custom image

Re: New joyride build 1889

2008-04-21 Thread Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
On 21.04.2008 18:00, Build Announcer v2 wrote: http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1889 Changes in build 1889 from build: 1870 Size delta: 17.57M +kernel-PAE 2.6.23.1-21.fc7 -kernel 2.6.22-20080408.1.olpc.de2a86ff3b60edc --- Included kernel-PAE version

Re: New joyride build 1889

2008-04-21 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Cannot boot this build, it hangs after saying it is loading the ramdisk. Tomeu On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Build Announcer v2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1889 Changes in build 1889 from build: 1870 Size delta: 17.57M

Re: New joyride build 1889

2008-04-21 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, +kernel-PAE 2.6.23.1-21.fc7 -kernel-2.6.22-20080408.1.olpc.de2a86ff3b60edc WTF?!? Since when does the XO have 4GB of RAM? And since when can the processor address more than 4G of RAM? This is clearly a bug -- we've pulled in an updated Fedora kernel instead of our OLPC

Re: Internet wide chat

2008-04-21 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Mon, 2008-04-21 at 11:54 -0400, Chris Ball wrote: - They asked if video chat is possible. I recall someone was working on it months ago. What is the current status? We need two things: a codec that we can encode and decode in real-time (the demo from 2006 used h.263) and a

Problems with Olpc-update and Joyride

2008-04-21 Thread karl
Olpc-update fails to load any updates for me in after Joyride-1872. It says there is no such update in updates.laptop.org. Anybody else experiencing this ? Karl ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: RPMs for speech-dispatcher missing python code?

2008-04-21 Thread Hemant Goyal
Hi, Yesterday I finally got around to installing your ROMs on my XO. I was able got configure speech-dispatcher and get spd-say to work correctly, but when I tried to run my test python program it bailed out on the import speechd statement, saying speechd could not be found. Can I know

Re: Benevolence and morale

2008-04-21 Thread karl
Morgan Collett wrote: Interesting essay by Paul Graham on running a startup like a non-profit - the power of benevolence: http://paulgraham.com/good.html I found it inspiring in the context of OLPC, given that OLPC is a non-profit, yet going through startup-style challenges. Note his

Re: RPMs for speech-dispatcher missing python code?

2008-04-21 Thread Hemant Goyal
Hi, In continuation to my previous mail. I ve managed to upload the required RPM packages online. Please note they are still not *approved* packages. http://www.nsitonline.in/hemant/stuff/speechd-rpm The python package must be downloaded and installed separately. Best, Hemant On Mon, Apr 21,

Re: New faster build 1889

2008-04-21 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 12:30:32PM -0400, Build Announcer v2 wrote: http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/faster/build1889 Changes in build 1889 from build: 1870 Size delta: 17.43M +kernel-PAE 2.6.23.1-21.fc7 -python-jinja 1.2-2.fc7 +python-jinja 1.2-1.fc7 -kernel

Re: RPMs for speech-dispatcher missing python code?

2008-04-21 Thread James Simmons
Hemant, I got the RPMs from this page: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Screen_Reader#Installing_speech-dispatcher_on_the_xo I assumed they were the latest available. It will be awhile before I can try anything else, so don't worry about being able to upload new RPM's. I just wanted you to know

RE: New faster build 1889

2008-04-21 Thread Marcus Leech
Also, was the fact that it bricks your machine design intent? I'm sad now. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Stone Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:57 PM To: Build Announcer v2 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New faster build

Re: New faster build 1889

2008-04-21 Thread Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
On 21.04.2008 20:58, Marcus Leech wrote: Also, was the fact that it bricks your machine design intent? I'm sad now. Wrong kernel. Didn't we have recovery mechanisms for such situations? Regards, Carl-Daniel ___ Devel mailing list

Re: New faster build 1889

2008-04-21 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 21.04.2008, at 21:02, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote: On 21.04.2008 20:58, Marcus Leech wrote: Also, was the fact that it bricks your machine design intent? I'm sad now. Wrong kernel. Didn't we have recovery mechanisms for such situations? Certainly. Hold down the O-game-key while

Re: New faster build 1889

2008-04-21 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 21.04.2008, at 21:26, Chris Barrett wrote: When I do this I am unable to use the terminal in the rollback to do anything of value. It keeps returning permission denied errors when I try to switch user. Makes using olpc-update again impossible. At least if you rollback to stable

Re: Internet wide chat

2008-04-21 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, We need two things: a codec that we can encode and decode in real-time (the demo from 2006 used h.263) and a transport layer -- I think we have a UDP transport for Salut, but not for Gabble, so video chat would be on the local mesh only. So are we designing from scratch?

New joyride build 1890

2008-04-21 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1890 Changes in build 1890 from build: 1889 Size delta: -17.57M +kernel 2.6.22-20080408.1.olpc.de2a86ff3b60edc -python-jinja 1.2-1.fc7 +python-jinja 1.2-2.fc7 -kernel-PAE 2.6.23.1-21.fc7 --- Included kernel version

New faster build 1890

2008-04-21 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/faster/build1890 Changes in build 1890 from build: 1889 Size delta: -17.43M +kernel 2.6.22-20080408.1.olpc.de2a86ff3b60edc -python-jinja 1.2-1.fc7 +python-jinja 1.2-2.fc7 -kernel-PAE 2.6.23.1-21.fc7 --- Included kernel version

where is Walter?

2008-04-21 Thread Walter Bender
After more than two years without a break at One Laptop per Child, I have decided to take some time to reflect on how I can best contribute going forward to the goal of giving children around the world opportunities for a quality learning experience. The OLPC Association is making headway getting

Re: [sugar] where is Walter?

2008-04-21 Thread Joe Barr
On Mon, 2008-04-21 at 18:22 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: Thank you for all of your support over the past two years and for all the feedback and encouragement you have given me. regards. -walter It really sucks to see OLPC shriveling up and dying. -- Resistance is not futile,

Re: Turkish keyboard layout

2008-04-21 Thread Kim Quirk
Walter, Can you provide the state of the keyboards that have no note in the table: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Mfg-data I have been assuming that this is the table that is most up to date. If there is no note in saying 'not yet approved', does that mean they have been through the entire approval

Re: Translation refresh

2008-04-21 Thread Kim Quirk
I guess I'd like to err on the side that people believe by default that 'no activities are supported'. That way anything that works is a plus! In reality there are going to be some important things that we want to ensure are really working with every major build... so we will need to do some

Re: Turkish keyboard layout

2008-04-21 Thread Walter Bender
Actually, I don't recall ever approving a Turkish keyboard... The rest of the table seems up to date as far as I know. I had been in close contact with several groups in Turkey about 12 months ago and at the time, they were advocating the F layout. It would certainly be easy enough to do a Q

Re: [sugar] where is Walter?

2008-04-21 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 05:54:13PM -0500, Joe Barr wrote: It really sucks to see OLPC shriveling up and dying. Joe, It's good for people who have been unable to reconcile their differences with one another to separate themselves, to recuperate, and eventually, to re-engage one another with

Re: [sugar] where is Walter?

2008-04-21 Thread Kim Quirk
We are all grateful to have had Walter's leadership and inspiration to get us to this point. It should be inspiring to see OLPC branching out, expanding and increasing support for children in many different ways. OLPC has increased funding and resources in 2008 toward a continued commitment to

Re: [sugar] where is Walter?

2008-04-21 Thread Drew Hess
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Kim Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OLPC has increased funding and resources in 2008 toward a continued commitment to helping kids in the least developed countries through deployment of XOs and Sugar. I don't think there is any shriveling or dying going on here.

Re: [sugar] where is Walter?

2008-04-21 Thread Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
On 22.04.2008 02:13, Michael Stone wrote: What in this description of events leads you to the conclusion that OLPC is shriveling up and dying? Perhaps not shriveling up, but quite a few contributors/participants from the early days (pre-A-Test till B2-Test) have left and the perceived goals

Re: [sugar] where is Walter?

2008-04-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22.04.2008 02:13, Michael Stone wrote: What in this description of events leads you to the conclusion that OLPC is shriveling up and dying? Perhaps not shriveling up, but quite a few

Re: [Server-devel] Customizing build 703 for mass deployment

2008-04-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Bryan Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Currently, I use an extremeley inelegant method to create standard images for Nepal's deployment and I would very much like assistance in finding a more elegant method. Michael Stone has been helping me hack jffs2 images

Re: Turkish keyboard layout

2008-04-21 Thread Kim Quirk
Thanks Walter, Does this mean you have approved Uzbec, Pashto, French Canadian, and Kazakh? I am aware of the need for final approval of Italian, Khmer, and Napali. Quanta is sending these keyboards to OLPC this week. In the past when Quanta sends a first article for approval, do we need to match

Re: [Server-devel] Customizing build 703 for mass deployment

2008-04-21 Thread Kim Quirk
What happens when you want to upgrade to the next OLPC build? Do you have to do it all again? Kim On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 10:25 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Bryan Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Currently, I use an extremeley inelegant method

Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-21 Thread Michael Stone
Martin, Based on feedback from Peru, Mexico, and Nepal, the restoration from disaster-recovery backups XO/XS coordination feature has been steadily rising in priority. I also notice that Backups is your first line-item on the XS-0.3 roadmap. My large question is: what changes need to be made to

Re: [Server-devel] Customizing build 703 for mass deployment

2008-04-21 Thread Bryan Berry
yes :), I would have to do it all over again. I don't expect to update the os image for at least 4 months. Given that it would take me a week's worth of testing to verify a new OLPC build. In that four month period, I hope to find a more elegant solution. not very elegant. Would like a better

Re: [Server-devel] Customizing build 703 for mass deployment

2008-04-21 Thread Michael Stone
Bryan, not very elegant. Would like a better solution but time is short. I've already suggested three more elegant mechanisms: * tarball - edit - mkfs.jffs2, * bootUSB - edit - savenand, and * puritan. We don't expect the kids to run olpc-update do we? Running OLPC-Update on 170

Re: Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Michael, thanks for looking into this - I had the wikipage in my sight, but not the bugs you listed. Excellent, reading up to fill the gaps. Based on feedback from Peru, Mexico, and Nepal, the restoration from disaster-recovery backups XO/XS coordination feature has been steadily rising

Re: Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-21 Thread Ixo X oxI
FYI, Awhile back ago, I developed a quick-n-dirty little *rsync* script which can be ran on the XO Laptop at any time and regularly. Here's the latest online version... http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Ixo/Script/xo-backup-server I've set it up on my XO. And run it when-ever and where-ever

Disk Images and Version Control

2008-04-21 Thread Michael Stone
Dear devel, Our builds are nothing more than specially-formatted Unix filesystems. Q: What useful purpose is served by regenerating these filesystems from scratch every time we want to change them? A: We maintain an explanation of where the filesystem came from encoded in the

Re: [Server-devel] Customizing build 703 for mass deployment

2008-04-21 Thread Bryan Berry
Thanks Michael, I was looking for a quick solution since time is limited. I am wary of trying something very different but I will put two hours to it this afternoon and see what I can accomplish. I have added Anna Schoolfield from the Birmingham deployment and Stefan Reitzis to this thread. On

Re: [Server-devel] [sugar] sugar roadmap

2008-04-21 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Wednesday 16 April 2008 16:47, Benj. Mako Hill wrote: Ion has the ability to launch different types of workspaces. There are three by default (although we could add to that). One of these is a floating workspace. It's rather bad, but it works, and I think it would be pretty cool to

Re: [Server-devel] [sugar] sugar roadmap

2008-04-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
2008/4/22 Holger Levsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ion also has an quite difficult upstream author. I'd suggest you look into awesome, see http://awesome.naquadah.org/ Looks nice. Trade difficult author for bad-choice-of-name? ;-) cheers, m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School

Re: [Server-devel] The road towards xs-0.3

2008-04-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am just settling down in my temporary office in Buenos Aires. And right now I am back in my actual office in Wellington, NZ. ;-) Work in BA was interrupted by a visit to Montevideo and Lima to meet the local teams

[Server-devel] Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-21 Thread Michael Stone
Martin, Based on feedback from Peru, Mexico, and Nepal, the restoration from disaster-recovery backups XO/XS coordination feature has been steadily rising in priority. I also notice that Backups is your first line-item on the XS-0.3 roadmap. My large question is: what changes need to be made to