Re: etoys now available in Debian's non-free repository

2008-06-27 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
At Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:47:11 -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Albert Cahalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm glad that Debian didn't break the rules for etoys. You're claiming to be open source, yet you've LOST the source code decades ago. This turns out not

Re: Parallel desktops

2008-06-27 Thread Albert Cahalan
Benjamin M. Schwartz writes: There have been periodic suggestions, including some by potential OLPC buyers, that they would be more interested if the project offered a GUI that more closely resembled the environments to which they are accustomed. ~ I strongly disagree with these people,

New joyride build 2081

2008-06-27 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2081 Changes in build 2081 from build: 2080 Size delta: -52.82M +cerebro 0.0.1.72.20080626gitca7ed3-1.olpc2 -olpcsudo 1.3-0 +olpcsudo 1.4-1 -SDL_mixer 1.2.8-8.fc9 +SDL_mixer 1.2.8-8.olpc3.1 -initscripts 8.76.2-1.olpc3.4 +initscripts

Re: etoys now available in Debian's non-free repository

2008-06-27 Thread Edward Cherlin
I think that the result of all this is that we can produce all of the C (or some other language, maybe CLOS) and Smalltalk source files that Debian wants (even if we think of the C as compiler output, we don't have to bother them with that interpretation.) One of the compilers translates a subset

Re: etoys now available in Debian's non-free repository

2008-06-27 Thread david
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Edward Cherlin wrote: I think that the result of all this is that we can produce all of the C (or some other language, maybe CLOS) and Smalltalk source files that Debian wants (even if we think of the C as compiler output, we don't have to bother them with that

Re: etoys now available in Debian's non-free repository

2008-06-27 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 12:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Edward Cherlin wrote: I think that the result of all this is that we can produce all of the C (or some other language, maybe CLOS) and Smalltalk source files that Debian wants (even if we think of the C as

Re: etoys now available in Debian's non-free repository

2008-06-27 Thread david
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Edward Cherlin wrote: Subject: Re: etoys now available in Debian's non-free repository On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 12:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Edward Cherlin wrote: I think that the result of all this is that we can produce all of the C (or

Re: OLPC config in salut in F9?

2008-06-27 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
Le jeudi 26 juin 2008 à 17:23 -0400, Michael Stone a écrit : On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 05:01:04PM +0200, Morgan Collett wrote: I asked Dennis about branching salut, and he recommended we try keep everything in F-9 if possible. Is it feasible to put the rainbow specific patches in such that

Re: Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-27 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:28 AM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I gathered from my experiments, I think it makes sense for us to go with Metacity + maximus. That would require no code changes in metacity and minor changes in sugar. If we want to support activity icons

Re: Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-27 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 7:31 AM, Albert Cahalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I gathered from my experiments, I think it makes sense for us to go with Metacity + maximus. That would require no code changes in

Re: Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-27 Thread david
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:28 AM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I gathered from my experiments, I think it makes sense for us to go with Metacity + maximus. That would require no code changes in metacity and minor changes

Re: Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-27 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:15 AM, surendra sedhai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have tested for firefox only. For both firefox-2 and firefox-3 it works well. I have used my own svg file so I dont get any problem regarding icon. Its really easy to make it work. I have tried to make the xo bundle

Re: Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-27 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:28 AM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I gathered from my experiments, I think it makes sense for us to go with Metacity + maximus.

Re: Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-27 Thread david
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:28 AM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I gathered from my experiments, I think it

Re: Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-27 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking for the cheap wins first ;-) when people talk about different desktops, doesn't this also imply different window managers for each one? if this is the case, then it should be fairly simple to define a window manager that

Re: Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-27 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this wouldn't require changing any code on any apps, just selecting the right window manager for that desktop (if the app never opens secondary windows it doesn't need any decorations, if it does, it may

Re: Parallel desktops

2008-06-27 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:56 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 There have been periodic suggestions, including some by potential OLPC buyers, that they would be more interested if the project offered a GUI that more closely

Re: Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-27 Thread david
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking for the cheap wins first ;-) when people talk about different desktops, doesn't this also imply different window managers for each one? if this is the case, then it should

Re: Parallel desktops

2008-06-27 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:56 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 There have been periodic suggestions, including some by potential OLPC buyers, that

Re: Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-27 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this wouldn't require changing any code on any apps, just selecting the right window manager for that desktop (if the app never

Re: Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-27 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:31 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking for the cheap wins first ;-) when people talk about different desktops, doesn't this also imply different

Re: Trac Usage Conventions

2008-06-27 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 27.06.2008 um 02:48 schrieb Michael Stone: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 01:31:24AM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 1:24 AM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 4. People should indicate the release they _wish_ that changes would land in via the Milestone

Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-06-27 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 27.06.2008 um 04:05 schrieb Stevens: Hi Bert, all -- On Jun 25, 2008, at 11:37 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote: Sure. Do not use the Python script. You don't want to run a Python activity but a native one - otherwise you get two windows, the empty one opened by Python and the real one by

Testing branch and actions

2008-06-27 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Hello, Tomeu has a good question: Can we close a ticket once we have verified it's fixed in joyride and we don't have yet stable builds for 8.2.0? (should be s/stable/testing) http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7362#comment:4 * We need to create a testing branch so that we can start following the

Re: Manufacturing tags

2008-06-27 Thread Kim Quirk
John, Beyond SN and U#, I have found that I need these tags for correct keyboard/localization: KV LO KL KA only affects the keyboard in OFW (and default if missing is good) P# was important in older hardware. And if you change any of these tags, you need to re-image the software to actually use

Re: Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-27 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: | On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 7:31 AM, Albert Cahalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Can't regular activities just ask to be maximized | and/or ask to be the same size as the screen? | The common Python libraries could do this. | |

Re: Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-27 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: | On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 7:31 AM, Albert Cahalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Can't regular activities just ask to be maximized | and/or

Re: etoys now available in Debian's non-free repository

2008-06-27 Thread Jim Gettys
Albert, There are many communities out there; some of which have used/use even closed source tools for developing free code. That does not make the code itself any less free. Using other tools may have other costs, in particular a higher entry cost for contributors, but it doesn't make the

Re: Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-27 Thread Jim Gettys
There are ways we can implement different behavior for different windows (for example the maximus approach could be extended to do so). The problem is, how do we know which windows should be displayed fullscreen (say the firefox or the gedit one) and which not (the gimp)? afaik there is no

Re: Updates This Week to the Sugar Almanac - Using the Datastore and More

2008-06-27 Thread Faisal Anwar
Hi Tomeu, Thanks so much for the clarifications. I understand now the abstraction intended for metadata accessed through DSMetadata and DSObject and will try to write that up a little more forcefully. I guess the main thing I was concerned about was having a consistent and lasting interface to

Re: Trac Usage Conventions

2008-06-27 Thread Deepak Saxena
On Jun 26 2008, at 20:48, Michael Stone was caught saying: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 01:31:24AM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 1:24 AM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 4. People should indicate the release they _wish_ that changes would land in via the

Re: Trac Usage Conventions

2008-06-27 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Deepak Saxena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 26 2008, at 20:48, Michael Stone was caught saying: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 01:31:24AM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 1:24 AM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 4. People should

First Draft Development Process Proposal

2008-06-27 Thread Greg Smith
Hi All, I posted a first pass Release Process Overview. See: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_Process_Home Its based on work done by Michael and others on this list. It needs a lot more work, but I hope we can start using it soon and improve it over time. I could use help fleshing it out and

Re: Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-27 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:31 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking for the cheap wins first ;-)

Re: Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-27 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:28 AM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I gathered from my experiments, I think it makes sense for us to go with Metacity + maximus. That would require no code changes

Re: Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-27 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GNOME Calculator did not break in sugar when I ran it in maximized + undecorated mode. Gimp did though. Breaks as it looks really ugly (huge buttons). I guess that's something you could fix upstream though... Marco

Re: Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-27 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GNOME Calculator did not break in sugar when I ran it in maximized + undecorated mode. Gimp did though. Breaks as it looks really ugly

Re: Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-27 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 8:39 PM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are ways we can implement different behavior for different windows (for example the maximus approach could be extended to do so). The problem is, how do we know which windows should be displayed fullscreen (say the

Re: [IAEP] Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-27 Thread Jim Gettys
On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 11:19 +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: There are ways we can implement different behavior for different windows (for example the maximus approach could be extended to do so). The problem is, how do we know which windows should be displayed fullscreen (say the firefox

Re: [IAEP] Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-27 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 11:19 +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: There are ways we can implement different behavior for different windows (for example the maximus approach could be extended to do so). The problem is, how do we

Re: [IAEP] Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-27 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 11:19 +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: There are ways we can implement different behavior for different windows (for

Re: [IAEP] Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-27 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 11:19 +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote:

Re: [IAEP] Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-27 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL

Re: Trac Usage Conventions

2008-06-27 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 1:24 AM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 7. We have added a 'Needs Action' field to Trac with several states for common actions (and various kinds of ignorance of what action is needed.) Please use it. Let us know if we need to change the set of actions. I

OLPC-Update + RPMs WAS:Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-06-27 Thread Ian Daniher
What's the logic for having updates erase all manually installed RPMs? A couple of Support-Gangers and myself were talking about ways to remedy this. We came up with the following: - alias rpm -i $FILE to rpm -i $FILE cp FILE $HOME/.rpms$/FILE with a script on update that runs rpm -i

Re: OLPC-Update + RPMs WAS:Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-06-27 Thread david
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Ian Daniher wrote: What's the logic for having updates erase all manually installed RPMs? the updates aren't package based, they are snapshot based. as a result when you apply an update it alters everything outside of /home. when you have a very standardized system image

Re: [IAEP] Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-27 Thread Carol Lerche
dia folk are working on a feature that allows either the gimp style (SDI) or the windows style (MDI). Don't know when it will be released. Gimp is available via the gimpshop fork as an MDI application. Does this help? On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[RFC] Tracking upstream submissions

2008-06-27 Thread Deepak Saxena
Hi, In going through various kernel bugs and check-ing in certain changes such as the SD corruption fix (#6532) and support for a link-layer TTL (#6211), I'm wanting to add a standard way to track whether a patch has been pushed upstream that is independent of whether it has been fixed in the

Re: etoys now available in Debian's non-free repository

2008-06-27 Thread Gerard J. Cerchio
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: learning how the code works _could_ be done on generated C code (although not well). my Dad tought himself C by taking the KR book, typing in the examples and examining the resulting binaries, but he came from a mainframe systems background. most people won't go to

Re: etoys now available in Debian's non-free repository

2008-06-27 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
At Thu, 26 Jun 2008 23:43:45 -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: I think that the result of all this is that we can produce all of the C (or some other language, maybe CLOS) and Smalltalk source files that Debian wants (even if we think of the C as compiler output, we don't have to bother them with

Re: OLPC-Update + RPMs WAS:Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-06-27 Thread Erik Garrison
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 01:23:46PM -0400, Ian Daniher wrote: What's the logic for having updates erase all manually installed RPMs? A couple of Support-Gangers and myself were talking about ways to remedy this. We came up with the following: - alias rpm -i $FILE to rpm -i $FILE cp FILE

Re: OLPC-Update + RPMs WAS:Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-06-27 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 12:20 AM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 01:23:46PM -0400, Ian Daniher wrote: What's the logic for having updates erase all manually installed RPMs? A couple of Support-Gangers and myself were talking about ways to remedy this. We came

Re: OLPC-Update + RPMs WAS:Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-06-27 Thread david
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Erik Garrison wrote: We should move away from using olpc-update to upgrade systems. We should not implement this or any hack to preserve manually installed rpms through olpc-updates. Existing package managers (e.g. apt, rpm) do exactly what we want and more.

Ticket cloning

2008-06-27 Thread Noah Kantrowitz
I have enabled ticket cloning support on dev.laptop.org. Just use the new Clone button on the ticket form. Enjoy. --Noah ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

boot timings

2008-06-27 Thread pgf
hello -- yesterday, as much for an exercise in using the serial port, manipulating the kernel commandline, and doing a little exploring, i resurrected an old tool of mine which timestamps lines received over a serial port (or a socket), and i used it to get a trace of XO startup and shutdown.

Re: OLPC-Update + RPMs WAS:Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-06-27 Thread Erik Garrison
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 12:17:57PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Erik Garrison wrote: We should move away from using olpc-update to upgrade systems. We should not implement this or any hack to preserve manually installed rpms through olpc-updates. Existing package

Testing power management on Fedora 9.

2008-06-27 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, If you want to test automatic suspends without wireless on the latest joyride builds, here are some instructions. I measured battery life of over 16 hours with this setup last week (with occasional wakeups): # /usr/sbin/ohmd # echo 0 /sys/power/wlan-enabled (leave the

Re: OLPC-Update + RPMs WAS:Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-06-27 Thread david
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Erik Garrison wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 12:17:57PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Erik Garrison wrote: We should move away from using olpc-update to upgrade systems. We should not implement this or any hack to preserve manually installed rpms

Re: Parallel desktops

2008-06-27 Thread Michael Stone
Oh obviously you also need to change back /etc/X11/prefdm to run gdm. It wouldn't hurt us much to bias prefdm so that it runs gdm if it exists and our stuff otherwise. Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org

Dictionaries/spell checkers

2008-06-27 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
Hi, Can anyone provide me with any information on the dictionaries/spellcheckers that we ship in our builds ? Thanks, Sayamindu -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org

Re: boot timings

2008-06-27 Thread pgf
two quick addenda -- - i've put the source for the tool (cl.c) in my public_html on d.l.o. (i can no longer remember why it's called cl.) - there may be some red herrings in the trace i posted: to get the trace i had to completely disable the tty0 console. as a result,

Re: Parallel desktops

2008-06-27 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: | Unless I'm missing something, it's just matter of installing gdm and | xfce, and you should be ready to go. | | Oh obviously you also need to change back /etc/X11/prefdm to run gdm. As Marco noted in IRC, the file in

Re: Parallel desktops

2008-06-27 Thread pgf
benjamin m. schwartz wrote: Having modified that file... it's not quite so simple. For example, GDM now runs automatically, but can't do anything, because it isn't aware of any valid session types. It also doesn't seem to know how to handle a single-user system with no passwords. i'm

Re: OLPC-Update + RPMs WAS:Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-06-27 Thread Erik Garrison
On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 12:30:14AM +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 12:20 AM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We already have yum installed on the XO. Why are we not using it to implement software update procedures? There are several reasons which occur to

Re: Testing branch and actions

2008-06-27 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 01:24:22PM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: Hello, Tomeu has a good question: Can we close a ticket once we have verified it's fixed in joyride and we don't have yet stable builds for 8.2.0? No, because fixing the issue in joyride does fix the issue for our

Re: Dictionaries/spell checkers

2008-06-27 Thread Samuel Klein
well, there are the cracklib dictionaries. There are also the spelling dicts for aspell and the wordlists for Speak (not in the core builds, but should be). SJ On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:26 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Can anyone provide me with any information on the

Re: Dictionaries/spell checkers

2008-06-27 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
I was wondering about the languages - I guess as a minimal, we should ship the spelling dictionaries for the languages mentioned in http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Mfg-data#Keyboards (if they are available). This should also be also a part of the locale specific customization keys we have been thinking

Re: [IAEP] Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-27 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL

Re: Dictionaries/spell checkers

2008-06-27 Thread Khaled Hosny
I think we need first to spell dictionaries/engines among all applications, I think F9 did most of the job (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureDictionary), see also http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6104 Regards, Khaled On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 02:28:03AM +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote:

Re: OLPC-Update + RPMs WAS:Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-06-27 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 02:50:34PM -0400, Erik Garrison wrote: Existing package managers (e.g. apt, rpm) do exactly what we want and more. Furthermore they are extensively tested and well documented. Why have we locally manufactured and promoted the square wheels of olpc-update and

[SURVEY] builders, how do you build? what do you build?

2008-06-27 Thread Erik Garrison
Developers, specifically those running build systems, Many of us are confused about the software flows inherent in the daily build processes which are occuring at OLPC. I would like to conduct a simple survey of all people building software for OLPC so that all of us can better understand the

Re: Dictionaries/spell checkers

2008-06-27 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
Thanks for the link Khaled. I went through the wiki page, and it seems that once we switch to F9 as our base, 6104 should be fixed. We need to double check though if the versions of Xulrunner and libabiword (rather, enchant) we ship use hunspell or not. Thanks, Sayamindu On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at

Re: OLPC-Update + RPMs WAS:Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-06-27 Thread david
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Michael Stone wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 02:50:34PM -0400, Erik Garrison wrote: Existing package managers (e.g. apt, rpm) do exactly what we want and more. Furthermore they are extensively tested and well documented. Why have we locally manufactured and promoted the

Translation Technology

2008-06-27 Thread Michael Stone
Yesterday, Sayamindu, Jim, Chris, Eben, Dennis, and I met to discuss what technology we could provide to improve the experience of producing and consuming translations and other localization data on the XO. We sought to address three questions: 1) How can we make some (then every) string

Re: OLPC-Update + RPMs WAS:Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-06-27 Thread Erik Garrison
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 05:21:49PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 02:50:34PM -0400, Erik Garrison wrote: Existing package managers (e.g. apt, rpm) do exactly what we want and more. Furthermore they are extensively tested and well documented. Why have we locally

Re: Translation Technology

2008-06-27 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - we discussed two implementation ideas: + to teach the customization infrastructure about translations + to teach the customization infrastructure to install RPMs but no consensus was reached.

Re: OLPC-Update + RPMs WAS:Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-06-27 Thread C. Scott Ananian
See also http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6432, which actually has a design with limitations which seemed to satisfy folks. --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: [SURVEY] builders, how do you build? what do you build?

2008-06-27 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 05:23:44PM -0400, Erik Garrison wrote: 0) Who are you and who do you directly work for? Michael Stone, and Kim Quirk, respectively. 1) What do you build? Typically, rainbow, olpc-utils, puritan, and full OS builds. Occasionally, other things like sugar, X, xulrunner,

Re: Parallel desktops

2008-06-27 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: | Unless I'm missing something, it's just matter of installing gdm and | xfce, and you should be ready to go. | | Oh obviously you also

Re: Testing branch and actions

2008-06-27 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:43 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 01:24:22PM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: Hello, Tomeu has a good question: Can we close a ticket once we have verified it's fixed in joyride and we don't have yet stable builds for 8.2.0?

Re: Testing branch and actions

2008-06-27 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 1:06 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alternately, we could use the ambiguous 'add to build' and 'test in build' and use the comments or tags to learn exactly what build needs action. Yeah perhaps we actually already have tags which provides enough

Re: [IAEP] Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-27 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
2008/6/27 Carol Lerche [EMAIL PROTECTED]: dia folk are working on a feature that allows either the gimp style (SDI) or the windows style (MDI). Don't know when it will be released. Gimp is available via the gimpshop fork as an MDI application. Does this help? Yeah. And I think it's yet

Re: Dictionaries/spell checkers

2008-06-27 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the link Khaled. I went through the wiki page, and it seems that once we switch to F9 as our base, 6104 should be fixed. We need to double check though if the versions of Xulrunner and libabiword (rather,

Re: [IAEP] Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-27 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:07 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What happens when you try to make activities full screen in metacity (by setting the appropriate ICCCM/EWMH hints) looks like http://dev.laptop.org/~sayamindu/sugar_metacity/Captura%20de%20pantalla_1.png If you set

Re: [IAEP] Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-27 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 4:51 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:07 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What happens when you try to make activities full screen in metacity (by setting the appropriate ICCCM/EWMH hints) looks like

Re: Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-27 Thread surendra sedhai
I have tested for firefox only. For both firefox-2 and firefox-3 it works well. I have used my own svg file so I dont get any problem regarding icon. Its really easy to make it work. I have tried to make the xo bundle from those stuffs . The steps I did was 1)Sugarize the firefox 2) Copy entire

Re: [IAEP] etoys now available in Debian's non-free repository

2008-06-27 Thread Antoine van Gelder
The analogy doesn't work. If I have C, I'll send the C. I have friends who used to write APL and ship Ada as source, and their military customers never complained. If the generated C is well-structured and has the comments from the Smalltalk embedded, so that people can understand it, what's

Re: [IAEP] etoys now available in Debian's non-free repository

2008-06-27 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:17:54AM +0200, Antoine van Gelder wrote: The analogy doesn't work. If I have C, I'll send the C. I have friends who used to write APL and ship Ada as source, and their military customers never complained. If the generated

Re: Translation Technology

2008-06-27 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 05:46:27PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: Yesterday, Sayamindu, Jim, Chris, Eben, Dennis, and I met to discuss what technology we could provide to improve the experience of producing and consuming translations and other localization data on the XO. We sought to address

New joyride build 2083

2008-06-27 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2083 Changes in build 2083 from build: 2081 Size delta: 0.00M -bootanim 1.0-1 +bootanim 1.1-1 -kernel 2.6.25-20080625.2.olpc.744e740861edba9 +kernel 2.6.25-20080627.1.olpc.a5ec9961fa7089e --- Changes for bootanim 1.1-1 from 1.0-1 ---

Re: OLPC-Update + RPMs WAS:Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-06-27 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 27.06.2008 um 20:50 schrieb Erik Garrison: We already have yum installed on the XO. Only in the devel builds. You might never have wondered what the devel_ prefix means in http://pilgrim.laptop.org/~pilgrim/olpc/streams/update.1/build708/devel_jffs2/ but there was a time when there was a

Re: etoys now available in Debian's non-free repository

2008-06-27 Thread Edward Cherlin
I am no slouch at understanding a bootstrap process, but it has taken me a few days to find the information I'm trying to understand by myself, given the refusal to even consider that someone might need this information in order to answer Debian's concerns, and thus the refusal to provide the

embedding evince

2008-06-27 Thread Aleksandar Kalev
Hello, I was wondering if there is any additional information/documentation (besides the source code of the Read activity) on how to embed evince in a Python application. Thanks in advance Alex P.S I am using the Ubuntu packages for the moment... I am a Python newbie :)... (actually I am

Re: [IAEP] etoys now available in Debian's non-free repository

2008-06-27 Thread Alan Kay
To: all the parties who are worrying about this ... Given the history (not just PARC but going all the way back to the enormous differences of style and results from the ARPA community compared to the Bell Labs community), why is there any burden of proof here? For example, we published in

Re: etoys now available in Debian's non-free repository

2008-06-27 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
Hi, Edward, Thank you (again) for thinking about these things! Well, now I see a reply from Alan. I'll try to concentrate on the pure technical part. I think that the result of all this is that we can produce all of the C (or some other language, maybe CLOS) and Smalltalk source

Re: etoys now available in Debian's non-free repository

2008-06-27 Thread Albert Cahalan
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Albert Cahalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Smalltalk community is puzzled that anybody would prefer to work on Smalltalk in something other than Smalltalk. Unless you want to rewrite

Re: etoys now available in Debian's non-free repository

2008-06-27 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
Albert, You'd be all set if you had Smalltalk source code that you could feed into any random Smalltalk system to create your build tools. While I happen to like C, and it's a very popular way to achieve the required ability to bootstrap, it isn't needed. You even get a certain amount of

Re: [Server-devel] [PATCH] postprocess.py: an incrond-triggered script to cleanup file transfers

2008-06-27 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 07:10:18PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are we content with the exceptions that might result from postprocessing.py if run with fewer than two arguments? Do we ever expect that postprocess.py

Re: [Server-devel] Wikiserver on XS

2008-06-27 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Phillip, On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 9:31 PM, Philipp Kocher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a wikiserver installed on the XS? it's in the plan, but it's not there yet. The (drafty) plan is to have - a slightly customised mediawiki install for local (created in the school) content and collab