Re: XO activity bundle .info format

2008-08-26 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Douglas Bagnall wrote: In the course of making an activity server for the XS, I have looked at the activity.info files of 114 bundles from http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities. One (Berkeley Logo) turned out not to be a bundle at all, and otherwise the tags I found were: name

rpms not picked up

2008-08-26 Thread Simon Schampijer
Hi, as koji is up again i built a new xulrunner rpm http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=60150 in the OLPC-3 branch. It has not been picked up by the builds yet. Are there any changes? Thanks, Simon ___ Devel mailing list

Re: CIFS will be strategic in some settings, but not included

2008-08-26 Thread George Hunt
I wonder if CIFS vs WebDAV is an either/or type of decision. My first google shows a driver effort called davfs2. This appears to implement network access via a driver (ala nfs, smb). If it turns out to be usable, I can see that a single project could satisfy Martin's 6 requirements (via

Re: [sugar] how can communications mode be manually controlled ?

2008-08-26 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
2) To turn off mesh, click on wireless AP; to turn off wireless AP, click on mesh (assuming no obstacles caused by bugs). Yes. If by turn off you mean do not use, in particular. But will the indicated communications mode persist, or will Network Manager soon switch

Re: XO activity bundle .info format

2008-08-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:53 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Douglas Bagnall wrote: In the course of making an activity server for the XS, I have looked at the activity.info files of 114 bundles from http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities. One (Berkeley Logo) turned out not

Re: [Server-devel] Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Discussing the activity installer/updater control panel and olpc-update (a few days before) one design assumption from the XO team was very strong: that network clients on the XO could just ignore the XS and attempt

Infrastructure Group meeting today 20080819 irc.oftc.net/#olpc-admin 5:15 pm EDT -04:00 UCT

2008-08-26 Thread Henry Edward Hardy
*OLPC's Volunteer Infrastructure Group (infrastructure-gang) will be meeting today 2008-08-19 irc.oftc.net/#olpc-admin 5:15 pm EDT -04:00 UCT* topics: triage and migration of sysadmin docs from internalwiki rt pootle wiki drupal big sister content server mailing list installation/configuration

Re: [Server-devel] Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:39 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, it seems like you need an offline DNS solution. Many legacy applications will assume they can resolve a DNS name to an address; it seems best to let them do this. Incidentally,

Information re: power mgmt and software update (WAS: Re: Book sprint - AT update - Monday)

2008-08-26 Thread Christoph Derndorfer
[sorry, had to resend as I'm subscribed to library/devel/sugar with different mail addresses... :-/] Greg Smith schrieb: Hi Christoph et al, Hey all, I'm currently working on the chapter about the Sugar Control Panel for the BookSprint and it looks like I need some more information, especially

Re: Scratch activity problems

2008-08-26 Thread John Watlington
On Aug 26, 2008, at 2:27 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: Hi, Scott requested I pass on some information about 2 issues with the Scratch activity: 1. Version numbering: The version number in the activity bundle is wrong (it reads version 2, but the bundle is Scratch-5.xo). This confuses the

Re: using wiki pageviews per country of origin to motivate translations

2008-08-26 Thread Jameson Chema Quinn
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It has recently come to my attention that the majority of the traffic on the wiki is coming from Uruguay XO users (students it seems). Could we track, or are we already tracking, pageviews per page by country of origin

Sugar on OpenSuSE

2008-08-26 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
Apologies for the cross posting, but I thought some of you might find this interesting: http://dev.compiz-fusion.org/~cyberorg/2008/08/26/sugar-up-opensuse-a-hackweek-project/ quote The work is in progress, thanks to Fedora and our fantastic openSUSE Build Service, most packages required are now

Re: Scratch activity problems

2008-08-26 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Daniel Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Maloney (scratch developer) is aware of both issues. He is considering making Scratch use the journal in future, but this is a large amount of work. May not be so much work? I would love to discuss this and help on

Re: using wiki pageviews per country of origin to motivate translations

2008-08-26 Thread Brian Jordan
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:12 AM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It has recently come to my attention that the majority of the traffic on the wiki is coming from Uruguay XO users (students it seems). I think this could motivate activity developers as well -- it's discouraging to think

Re: Scratch activity problems

2008-08-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Daniel Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. Saving of files: Scratch does not use the Journal, it uses the regular filesystem. Rainbow prevents Scratch from saving in usual locations. So, Scratch ships with a world-writable Projects directory underneath the

Re: rpms not picked up

2008-08-26 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:09:36AM +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: Hi, as koji is up again i built a new xulrunner rpm http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=60150 in the OLPC-3 branch. It has not been picked up by the builds yet. Are there any changes? Yes, Dennis and Scott are

Re: Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 3:39 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I prefer a stronger assumption: network services are all based on cachable HTTP. Implementations of cacheable HTTP - both on the server and client - are *caching*, not replacing. We want to do partial

Re: [Server-devel] resolv.conf

2008-08-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
That sounds like network_config crashed on you. network_config is responsible for creating /etc/resolv.conf.in and then domain_config will do the rest. On xs-0.4, we call domain_config at install time (and it defaults to random.xs.l.o). The answer is that /etc/resolv.conf should probably point

Re: increased transient traffic in #olpc-ayuda

2008-08-26 Thread Seth Woodworth
During g1g1 the support-gang (even before it was formalized) answered questions in #olpc-help and many important questions get answered there on a regular basis. If there were a few support-ganger's available we would have a great resource for providing documentation and structuring things for

Re: increased transient traffic in #olpc-ayuda

2008-08-26 Thread Erik Garrison
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 05:14:23PM -0400, Seth Woodworth wrote: During g1g1 the support-gang (even before it was formalized) answered questions in #olpc-help and many important questions get answered there on a regular basis. If there were a few support-ganger's available we would have a

New joyride build 2342

2008-08-26 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2342 Changes in build 2342 from build: 2331 Size delta: 0.65M -etoys 3.0.2076-1 +etoys 3.0.2100-1 -squeak-vm 3.10-3olpc7 +squeak-vm 3.10-3olpc8 --- Changes for etoys 3.0.2100-1 from 3.0.2076-1 --- + add translations ar, bg, fa_AF,

Re: CSound server questions

2008-08-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Sun, Feb 3, 2008 at 12:31 PM, John Maloney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am porting Scratch to the XO. (Scratch is an easy-to-learn [...] Scratch includes commands to play notes and trigger drum sounds. On Windows and Mac OS, these commands use the underlying OS MIDI synthesizer. On the XO,

Re: CSound server questions

2008-08-26 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, Did you ever get a satisfactory answer to your questions? I think Pippy contains the best examples of using csound to play sounds -- is that right, Chris? Well, I'd say that TamTam does. :) But yes, Pippy does some basic synthesis using sinewaves and music files with csound.

Scratch fails to write to Scratch.activity/Projects

2008-08-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
In http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8166 there's a problem reported: Peru can't save their work in Scratch, because Scratch tries to write to Scratch.activity/Projects, and this is not writable. Luckily, there is an easy workaround: the directory $SUGAR_ACTIVITY_ROOT/data is persistent storage which

Re: Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HTTPS has many problems. None of the basic XO protocols use HTTPS. Will we never care for end-user privacy? We do. We just don't use HTTPS. You should know better. - At the protocol layer you mask a whole

Re: Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:48 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HTTPS has many problems. None of the basic XO protocols use HTTPS. Will we never care for end-user privacy? We do. We just don't use HTTPS.

Re: Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Network principles is a nice statement of desired ideal network topology. Which we may implement one day - but I am delivering a network topology and the _main source of XO services_ on a very tight timeframe and with

Re: Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:28 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a nice rhetorical trick. And wrong. No tricks with me. It is a development strategy I have been using for years to deliver working code for users.

Re: XO activity bundle .info format

2008-08-26 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
... found that people are using 'org.laptop' as a prefix incorrectly (if everyone uses org.laptop as a prefix, then OLPC loses the ability to assign unique names in this domain). Undoubtedly people who are dbus developers understand the proper use of the organization_namespace. But suppose

Re: Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Network_principles#Disconnected_operation is a principled means to substitute unavailable resources in the offline case. The solution you suggest has problems, and I mentioned them in my

Re: XO activity bundle .info format

2008-08-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... found that people are using 'org.laptop' as a prefix incorrectly (if everyone uses org.laptop as a prefix, then OLPC loses the ability to assign unique names in this domain). Undoubtedly people who are dbus

New joyride build 2343

2008-08-26 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2343 Changes in build 2343 from build: 2342 Size delta: 0.00M -olpc-library-common 1-26 +olpc-library-common 1-28 --- Changes for olpc-library-common 1-28 from 1-26 --- + updated common to include wiki searchbar and

Re: Scratch fails to write to Scratch.activity/Projects

2008-08-26 Thread John Maloney
Hi, Scott. What's wrong with just making the directory Scratch.activity/Projects writable by the world? Seems to me that it could not hurt other applications. Scratch does not run any binary files from that folder, so it should be pretty safe. At worse, some malicious software could write

Re: XO activity bundle .info format

2008-08-26 Thread Bobby Powers
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:56 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... found that people are using 'org.laptop' as a prefix incorrectly (if everyone uses org.laptop as a prefix, then OLPC loses the ability to

Re: Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:53 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a) Don't lie about DNS entries when you are connected. b) When you are disconnected, use a DNS server which allows you to map names to short lifetime addresses, then serve resources for those addresses. c) Don't try

Re: XO activity bundle .info format

2008-08-26 Thread pgf
bobby wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:56 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Undoubtedly people who are dbus developers understand the proper use of the organization_namespace. But suppose someone in a

qemu: generating ext3 images including activities

2008-08-26 Thread Erik Garrison
I am trying to generate an image usable in Qemu for use by the Peru team in the production of a series of videos about the XO. I am generating this image because the existing ones are out of date with respect to the current Peru deployment's software, and they have requested if it would be

New joyride build 2344

2008-08-26 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2344 Changes in build 2344 from build: 2343 Size delta: 0.00M -kernel 2.6.25-20080813.4.olpc.cc866cfe0c31220 +kernel 2.6.25-20080826.1.olpc.7bee90029d84945 -- This mail was automatically generated See

Re: qemu: generating ext3 images including activities

2008-08-26 Thread Daniel Drake
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 9:01 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Currently I am stuck because I do not know how to write grub to an image file. Here is what happens when I try to write the bootloader [3] on a loopback (produced via losetup /dev/loop0 os.img). Any ideas? Someone out

Re: XO activity bundle .info format

2008-08-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 9:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bobby wrote: it's helpful, but could be better. how should i, an individual contributor with no particular domain that i own or belong to, construct a name? the given example of com.redhat.Sugar.BrowserActivity isn't much of a

Re: Scratch fails to write to Scratch.activity/Projects

2008-08-26 Thread Erik Garrison
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 08:40:34PM -0400, John Maloney wrote: Hi, Scott. What's wrong with just making the directory Scratch.activity/Projects writable by the world? Seems to me that it could not hurt other applications. Scratch does not run any binary files from that folder, so it

Re: qemu: generating ext3 images including activities

2008-08-26 Thread Erik Garrison
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 09:40:09PM -0500, Daniel Drake wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 9:01 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Currently I am stuck because I do not know how to write grub to an image file. Here is what happens when I try to write the bootloader [3] on a loopback

New release8.2 build 757

2008-08-26 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://pilgrim.laptop.org/~pilgrim/xo-1/streams/8.2/build757 Changes in build 757 from build: 756 Size delta: 0.79M -libertas-usb8388-firmware 2:5.110.22.p17.1-1.olpc3 +libertas-usb8388-firmware 2:5.110.22.p18-1.olpc2 -cerebro 2.9.12-1.olpc3 +cerebro 2.9.13-1.olpc3 -etoys 3.0.2076-1 +etoys

[Server-devel] resolv.conf

2008-08-26 Thread John Watlington
I've figured out more about why my first install of 0.4 went so badly. For some reason, the network interfaces weren't configured properly on first boot (even though the files were in the right places). In conjuction with having the cable to my wired net plugged into the LAN port, nothing was

Re: [Server-devel] resolv.conf

2008-08-26 Thread Henry Edward Hardy
Wad, If you are pointing to localhost in resolv.conf, will there be at least a caching DNS named server to catch it? --HH On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 10:08 AM, John Watlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've figured out more about why my first install of 0.4 went so badly. For some reason, the

Re: [Server-devel] resolv.conf

2008-08-26 Thread John Watlington
On Aug 26, 2008, at 4:47 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: That sounds like network_config crashed on you. network_config is responsible for creating /etc/resolv.conf.in and then domain_config will do the rest. On xs-0.4, we call domain_config at install time (and it defaults to random.xs.l.o).

Re: [Server-devel] xs-config replacement strategy

2008-08-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 7:50 AM, John Watlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The proposed change to the operation of the xs-config package seem sane, with a few comments: Thanks! The make-a-replacement strategy is the crucial one. I have hesitations about the xs-config.make file used: My

Re: [Server-devel] Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HTTPS has many problems. None of the basic XO protocols use HTTPS. Will we never care for end-user privacy? We do. We just don't use HTTPS. You should know better. - At the protocol layer you mask a whole

Re: [Server-devel] Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:48 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HTTPS has many problems. None of the basic XO protocols use HTTPS. Will we never care for end-user privacy? We do. We just don't use HTTPS.

Re: [Server-devel] Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Network principles is a nice statement of desired ideal network topology. Which we may implement one day - but I am delivering a network topology and the _main source of XO services_ on a very tight timeframe and with

Re: [Server-devel] Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Network_principles#Disconnected_operation is a principled means to substitute unavailable resources in the offline case. The solution you suggest has problems, and I mentioned them in my

Re: [Server-devel] Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-26 Thread Joshua N Pritikin
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 07:53:19PM -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Network_principles#Disconnected_operation is a principled means to substitute unavailable resources in the offline case.