Re: wpa supplicant init and logging
On Wed, 15 Oct 2008, Ricardo Carrano wrote: Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:02:24 -0300 From: Ricardo Carrano [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tech-team [EMAIL PROTECTED], Devel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: wpa supplicant init and logging Hello all! I need help understanding two things regarding the wpa supplicant on the XO. 1 - The init process: If you boot your XO and check the running wpa processes, here is what you'll see: # ps aux | grep wpa root 1310 0.1 0.7 5444 1848 ?S23:46 0:00 /usr/sbin/wpa_supplicant -g /var/run/wpa_supplicant-global -ddd -t But this is not what I would expect by inspecting /etc/init.d/wpa_supplicant and /etc/sysconfig/wpa_supplicant. Actually, after you do a service wpa_supplicant restart you would get what I would expect. # ps aux | grep wpa root 1502 0.0 0.2 5444 580 ?Ss 23:49 0:00 wpa_supplicant -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -B -u -f /var/log/wpa_supplicant.log Where is the first coming from? NetworkManager it uses wpa_supplicant for wireless authentication /sbin/chkconfig wpa_supplicant --list should show that wpa_supplicant service is not enabled so there is not a service running twice, or the additional overhead of it. 2 - The logging Even if I enable -ddd on the logging (for instance by adding '-ddd' to OTHER_ARGS in /etc/sysconfig/wpa_supplicant and restart the daemon, I won't get anything interesting on the log (/var/log/wpa_supplicant.log). All I got after interesting associations to wpa aps is the following. its because NetworkManager starts wpa_supplicant and uses its own controls for running wpa_supplicant -- Dennis Gilmore (RHCE) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
World scriptures
We have a Bible program in Sugar. Sword allows any number of texts, dictionaries, and commentaries in any combination of languages to be integrated together. I know where many other scriptures in many languages are available, and would like to start a project to integrate them into Sword and make them globally available. Some of the materials are Qur'an, Muslim Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Sikh Tipitaka and Tripitaka, Buddhist Kanjur, Tanjur, Buddhist Vedas, Upanishads, Bhagavad Gita, Hindu Laozi, Juangzi, Daozang, Daoist Confucius, Mencius, Confucian Talmud, Jewish Popul Vuh, Mayan I am open to other suggestions, and will need help with appropriate dictionaries and commentaries. This is a large project, and will need people with a range of skills. I can contact organizations that work on each of the sets of texts listed, but we will need more contacts beyond them. o Should I create one ticket for the project, or one per religion, or what? o Where can we host this? -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज ) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Grassroots-l] World scriptures
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 08:15, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have a Bible program in Sugar. Sword allows any number of texts, dictionaries, and commentaries in any combination of languages to be integrated together. I know where many other scriptures in many languages are available, and would like to start a project to integrate them into Sword and make them globally available. Some of the materials are Qur'an, Muslim Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Sikh Tipitaka and Tripitaka, Buddhist Kanjur, Tanjur, Buddhist Vedas, Upanishads, Bhagavad Gita, Hindu Laozi, Juangzi, Daozang, Daoist Confucius, Mencius, Confucian Talmud, Jewish Popul Vuh, Mayan I am open to other suggestions, and will need help with appropriate dictionaries and commentaries. This is a large project, and will need people with a range of skills. I can contact organizations that work on each of the sets of texts listed, but we will need more contacts beyond them. The Sword activity is based on upstream software available for many platforms: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_SWORD_Project http://www.crosswire.org/sword/index.jsp Since the upstream organisation is Christian, I doubt they would want to host the texts you have listed. However we can get them to list the Sugar Sword activity on their site. My interest is to get the reader localized, and create easy-to-download bundles containing a specific Bible translation (http://www.crosswire.org/sword/modules/ModDisp.jsp?modType=Bibles) as appropriate for specific countries. That's probably easier in the short term than adding in support to download texts within the activity, especially as they are large files. In my opinion, most use would be for a specific text, perhaps including an appropriate dictionary and commentary. o Should I create one ticket for the project, or one per religion, or what? Are tickets necessary at this point? I think tickets are best suited to discrete bits of work that can be assigned to a person and have a definite completion. I think the tasks consist of work on the software, localization, work on the content, and creation of bundles with specific content. o Where can we host this? We should specifically not use the wiki for hosting the actual downloads. Downloads from the wiki are slow, and place a lot of load on it. Regards Morgan ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Grassroots-l] World scriptures
FYI, there is a Qur'an content bundle already available at: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects/Quran -walter On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 4:02 AM, Morgan Collett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 08:15, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have a Bible program in Sugar. Sword allows any number of texts, dictionaries, and commentaries in any combination of languages to be integrated together. I know where many other scriptures in many languages are available, and would like to start a project to integrate them into Sword and make them globally available. Some of the materials are Qur'an, Muslim Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Sikh Tipitaka and Tripitaka, Buddhist Kanjur, Tanjur, Buddhist Vedas, Upanishads, Bhagavad Gita, Hindu Laozi, Juangzi, Daozang, Daoist Confucius, Mencius, Confucian Talmud, Jewish Popul Vuh, Mayan I am open to other suggestions, and will need help with appropriate dictionaries and commentaries. This is a large project, and will need people with a range of skills. I can contact organizations that work on each of the sets of texts listed, but we will need more contacts beyond them. The Sword activity is based on upstream software available for many platforms: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_SWORD_Project http://www.crosswire.org/sword/index.jsp Since the upstream organisation is Christian, I doubt they would want to host the texts you have listed. However we can get them to list the Sugar Sword activity on their site. My interest is to get the reader localized, and create easy-to-download bundles containing a specific Bible translation (http://www.crosswire.org/sword/modules/ModDisp.jsp?modType=Bibles) as appropriate for specific countries. That's probably easier in the short term than adding in support to download texts within the activity, especially as they are large files. In my opinion, most use would be for a specific text, perhaps including an appropriate dictionary and commentary. o Should I create one ticket for the project, or one per religion, or what? Are tickets necessary at this point? I think tickets are best suited to discrete bits of work that can be assigned to a person and have a definite completion. I think the tasks consist of work on the software, localization, work on the content, and creation of bundles with specific content. o Where can we host this? We should specifically not use the wiki for hosting the actual downloads. Downloads from the wiki are slow, and place a lot of load on it. Regards Morgan ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: UBIFS 8.2 image
Hi, I've just subscribed to the list and do not have older mails in my mailbox. Found this in the archives: John Watlington said: I started a loop of reading two files and comparing them, then writing two 10MB files, reading them back (and comparing them), then deleting them. Repeat ad-infinitum. After 11 cycles, writing files to the file system started failing. (Read-only file system) Just created this FAQ entry to our web page: http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/faq/ubifs.html#L_sudden_ro Artem. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
planning session for a technical conference for OLPC customers and community members
Mel Chua, Hernan Pachas and I will meet in #olpc on FreeNode at 1pm EDT to discuss a technical meeting for countries, community members, and OLPC customers in general. Such a meeting would be a forum to integrate feedback from the field with our work at OLPC. Hernan suggested the idea in late August but as of yet we have no plans to implement it: 11:24 hpachas-PE wad, jg , pienso que debemos estar mejor comunicados, y que cuando OLPC cree conveniente mejorar el sw, debemos reunirnos para que OLPC reciba el feddback de nosotros 11:30 hpachas-PE wad, jg : 1 o 2 veces al año, .. la diferencia entre los workshop que OLPC esta realizando, este workshop seria diferente. 11:30 hpachas-PE wad, jg : ya que seria una reunión técnica 11:31 hpachas-PE wad, jg : y OLPC debe anotar los puntos en los cuales todos los paises coinciden. y focalizarce en realizar esa mejora. Quick and dirty translation: 11:24 hpachas-PE wad, jg , i think that we should be in better communication, and when OLPC thinks it convenient to improve the software, we should meet so that OLPC can receive our feedback 11:30 hpachas-PE wad, jg : 1 or 2 times each year, the difference between the workshops that olpc is implementing, this workshop could be different 11:30 hpachas-PE wad, jg : it could be a technical meeting 11:31 hpachas-PE wad, jg : and OLPC should take note of the points on which all the countries coincide, and focus on improving them. Please join if you are interested! Erik ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Tagged Journal Proposal
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not a fan of lots of little / characters everywhere (fine if a user want to type them in the unified text search area to look somewhere specific), but you could show entries that came (or are) outside of the local datastore by using different shaped tag icons that hint at the differences between a path tags, and arbitrary tags: Ooh, I like the look of that a lot. It does seem like it would be a little harder to learn that typing '/' gives that magic shaped tag, but maybe tag-completion does that for us by magic. ie, in a context where foo/ makes sense, typing footab will give you the slash-shaped foo. Now, how to code that in GTK... (sigh) Maybe splitting the widget into body and 'cap' will make dealing with non-rectangular widgets less painful. --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [sugar] [olpc-office-announce] Audio from demo of Scott's next-gen journal ideas, noon, 10/15/2008
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 8:15 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 6:53 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The slides from my talk are at: http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/cscott/journal2;a=blob_plain;f=journal2-talk.odp;hb=HEAD PDF version at: http://dev.laptop.org/~cscott/journal2-talk.pdf I've updated the slides at those URLs so that the final bits of the presentation make more sense, even if you're not watching a live demo as you read them. Thanks for all the screencast suggestions; recordmydesktop has won my patronage. I've got to go paint some walls and assemble ikea furniture right now, but expect a screencast tomorrow. Screencasts up! http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Journal_reloaded --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Health] VideoChat is working now - hooray!
Hi all, quote who=Martin Langhoff exactly. There's a lot of fun to be had, and a lot to learn with this. Might be useful in some cases (perhaps growing number of cases, if connectivity improves over time) and more things become viable. For health purposes, it will probably not be useful, except for a tiny % of cases. If people want health tools, that's a different project. Let's refocus that camera on collaboration and education. The Videochat app will largely be used for counselling, speech pathology, and generally for remote support to students in regions where they don't have easy access to any of the above. Obviously they'll also have fun with it, and we are looking at connecting up classrooms of children to do cultural exchanges and learning. I believe it will play a basic eHealth role in future where children/adults can communicate with health professionals for basic remote health service, which, although would require very high res for anything particualrly complicated, would be better than what some of these communities currently have. Cheers, Pia -- OLPC Australia http://olpc.org.au/ Linux Australia http://linux.org.au/ Open Source Industry Australia http://osia.net.au/ Software Freedom Day http://softwarefreedomday.org/ What are we doing today brain? We're taking over the world like we always do. - Pinky and the Brain ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Health] VideoChat is working now - hooray!
Hi all, quote who=Harshvardhan true. plus a good broadband network connection, The video is relatively small and the broadband requirements don't appear to be ridiculously high. I guess I would ask that you all download and test the app, see what it is capable, of, post to the list and VideoChat page your findings, and the potentially pitch in to making it better :) Cheers, Pia -- OLPC Australia http://olpc.org.au/ Linux Australia http://linux.org.au/ Open Source Industry Australia http://osia.net.au/ Software Freedom Day http://softwarefreedomday.org/ He who loves the world as his body may be entrusted with the empire. - Lao-tzu ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Call for Proposals for OLPC miniconference November 17-21, 2008
An OLPC miniconference will be held November 17-21, 2008 at our Cambridge offices (10th floor, 1 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA, USA) This week-long event will help frame our long-term software development efforts. In addition, we will work on prioritizing requirements, features and goals for the next major feature release called XO Software Release 9.1.0. Please submit proposals for topics to cover. These may include, but are not limited to: - Top concerns and requirements of users and countries including reviews of available feedback - Learning priorities and tools needed to support them - Technologies, applications and software design proposals - Process and infrastructure proposals - Current and needed research For details about the event and submission process, see the XOcamp description online. [1] Please submit 200 word descriptions of topics or sessions on the event page [2] or by emailing your ideas to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Thanks, Greg Smith OLPC Product Manager on behalf of the OLPC development team [1] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XOcamp [2] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XOcamp_2#Sessions ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
[Server-devel] Call for Proposals for OLPC miniconference November 17-21, 2008
An OLPC miniconference will be held November 17-21, 2008 at our Cambridge offices (10th floor, 1 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA, USA) This week-long event will help frame our long-term software development efforts. In addition, we will work on prioritizing requirements, features and goals for the next major feature release called XO Software Release 9.1.0. Please submit proposals for topics to cover. These may include, but are not limited to: - Top concerns and requirements of users and countries including reviews of available feedback - Learning priorities and tools needed to support them - Technologies, applications and software design proposals - Process and infrastructure proposals - Current and needed research For details about the event and submission process, see the XOcamp description online. [1] Please submit 200 word descriptions of topics or sessions on the event page [2] or by emailing your ideas to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Thanks, Greg Smith OLPC Product Manager on behalf of the OLPC development team [1] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XOcamp [2] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XOcamp_2#Sessions ___ Server-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: File systems usage patterns and NAND lifetime
Hi, Philippe Clérié wrote: Valerie Henson blogged about SSD's a while back (http://valhenson.livejournal.com/25228.html). Since then I've made sure I back up anything I have on flash. Yeah, managed flashes are tricky. If you are interested, here is some short writing about raw flash vs. managed flash: http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/doc/ubifs.html#L_raw_vs_ftl -- Best Regards, Artem Bityutskiy (Артём Битюцкий) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Grassroots-l] World scriptures
Edward, It sounds to me like a wonderful project. I wondered myself why only the Bible was available. Morgan, them being christian does not necessarily imply they would not host other scriptures. The link http://www.crosswire.org/sword/publisher/index.jsp seems to suggest they would be open, for at least putting it on the Cult / Unorthodox module add-on section. I for one welcome our laptop bearing levitating little monk overlords. ;-) Sebastian 2008/10/16 Morgan Collett [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 08:15, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have a Bible program in Sugar. Sword allows any number of texts, dictionaries, and commentaries in any combination of languages to be integrated together. I know where many other scriptures in many languages are available, and would like to start a project to integrate them into Sword and make them globally available. Some of the materials are Qur'an, Muslim Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Sikh Tipitaka and Tripitaka, Buddhist Kanjur, Tanjur, Buddhist Vedas, Upanishads, Bhagavad Gita, Hindu Laozi, Juangzi, Daozang, Daoist Confucius, Mencius, Confucian Talmud, Jewish Popul Vuh, Mayan I am open to other suggestions, and will need help with appropriate dictionaries and commentaries. This is a large project, and will need people with a range of skills. I can contact organizations that work on each of the sets of texts listed, but we will need more contacts beyond them. The Sword activity is based on upstream software available for many platforms: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_SWORD_Project http://www.crosswire.org/sword/index.jsp Since the upstream organisation is Christian, I doubt they would want to host the texts you have listed. However we can get them to list the Sugar Sword activity on their site. My interest is to get the reader localized, and create easy-to-download bundles containing a specific Bible translation (http://www.crosswire.org/sword/modules/ModDisp.jsp?modType=Bibles) as appropriate for specific countries. That's probably easier in the short term than adding in support to download texts within the activity, especially as they are large files. In my opinion, most use would be for a specific text, perhaps including an appropriate dictionary and commentary. o Should I create one ticket for the project, or one per religion, or what? Are tickets necessary at this point? I think tickets are best suited to discrete bits of work that can be assigned to a person and have a definite completion. I think the tasks consist of work on the software, localization, work on the content, and creation of bundles with specific content. o Where can we host this? We should specifically not use the wiki for hosting the actual downloads. Downloads from the wiki are slow, and place a lot of load on it. Regards Morgan ___ Grassroots mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/grassroots ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Health] VideoChat is working now - hooray!
I have been involved with provider-to-provider telemedicine projects in remote areas in Cambodia, Ecuador, the the Congo for the past 7 years. We have found huge advantages by focusing on structured history-taking (text) and highest possible resolution still images... These have allowed for asynchronous low-bandwidth communication (important if time zones are different) and clear images if visual inspection is important (ie skin rashes, reviewing xrays, wounds, etc). If you create some compelling case studies for the use of real-time video chat that has advantages over cell communication , we would certainly like to look for opportunities to pilot them at our clinical sites in Cambodia. Our project leverages Internet access at a hospital and a school in rural Cambodia, (which is one of hundreds of schools with Internet access - including a school sponsored by Negroponte!) Thanks Paul On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 9:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 13 Oct 2008, Paul Heinzelmann wrote: I sense that there are a lot of new and yet-to-be-discovered ways to use these kind of low-bandwidth capabilities for health (including consultation, collaboration, and education). The perceived value of these will always be user-dependent and likely require a trial and error approach. In terms of a role for clinical consultation: The tough sell, in my opinion, is to engage specialists who are expected to diagnose. The more appropriate role for video function may be to simply triage patients and make simple decisions rather than definitively diagnose or assess patients. the key thing to remember is that in many cases the alternative isn't a in-person visit to the specialist, it's going without professional diagnosis entirely. David Lang Just food for thought. Best wishes Paul On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 2008/10/14 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: but those are not all cases. exactly. There's a lot of fun to be had, and a lot to learn with this. Might be useful in some cases (perhaps growing number of cases, if connectivity improves over time) and more things become viable. For health purposes, it will probably not be useful, except for a tiny % of cases. If people want health tools, that's a different project. Let's refocus that camera on collaboration and education. m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff -- Paul Heinzelmann, MD Operation Village Health ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Grassroots-l] World scriptures
2008/10/16 Sebastian Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED]: E The link http://www.crosswire.org/sword/publisher/index.jsp seems to suggest they would be open, for at least putting it on the Cult / Unorthodox module add-on section. The irony being that this is a world-project and, buy the numbers, when comapred with say, Buddhism, Christianity is the cult/unorthodox religion. JK ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: World scriptures
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The instructions for preparing new modules are at http://www.crosswire.org/wiki/index.php/DevTools:Modules Let's pick some short texts and try them out. I'll start with the Heart Sutra in Sanskrit and Chinese. New page: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Heart_Sutra I added some notes on the Sword Read page in the OLPC Wiki. On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have a Bible program in Sugar. Sword allows any number of texts, dictionaries, and commentaries in any combination of languages to be integrated together. I know where many other scriptures in many languages are available, and would like to start a project to integrate them into Sword and make them globally available. [snip] -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज ) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Master kernel in Joyride.
Hi Deepak/Andres, Now that the Joyride floodgates are open, which kernel branch do you recommend we start testing in Joyride for the 9.1 release? If the master branch, are there any regressions in it compared to the testing branch? Which of 2.6.2[567] should we aim to ship with 9.1? Thanks, - Chris. -- Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Future Feature Weekly Planning Meeting
Greg, Here are some comments and questions on your meeting and minutes. I hope you find them helpful. We had an internal kick off meeting for next release planning on Wed. October 15. How, in your opinion, did the private setting improve the meeting? Starting next week, this will become a public Future Features planning meeting every Wed at 2PM US ET on IRC channel #olpc-meeting freenode.net Ed mentioned concerns about the value of standing weekly meetings which are not absolutely necessary. Who are you expecting will attend this Future Features meeting? For how long do you expect it will recur? (Also, can you define feature for me?) I call it Future Feature planning instead of 9.1.0 and plan to move the web page to that name as well. The idea is that we need to layout a long term strategy first, then decide which parts can be executed in the strict 9.1.0 time frame (March, 2009 delivery). Then why not just call it a (software?) strategy meeting? Very condensed minutes of yesterdays meeting are below. This is my rough take so any edits or additions welcome - Mitch and others talked about the importance of starting with the customer, finding out what they need and hearing from them directly. How to get comprehensive input and to then filter it in to a set of to items which the most benefit for the most people. There was substantial push-back from people who said that we're already swimming in feedback which has, as yet, not been acted upon. - We talked about how to find a feature champion and also a programmer and the two may not be the same. No consensus on exactly what the champion will do. I thought the key points from this discussion were as follows: * People often propose changes; sometimes, they explain why the changes are desirable. * Release contracts and release managers are believed to be helpful supporting devices for bringing changes to release quality in a timely and transparent fashion. Champions are therefore the people who perform or organize the work necessary to expire release contracts. * We haven't yet figured out how to effectively develop and release changes proposed by people who are not able to personally implement their proposals. We want to improve our ability to handle such proposals because we think that they are frequently central to our mission. - Jim mentioned the need to plan in person meeting more in advance and more than just the next one. e.g. start thinking now about one in January (around Fudcon?). More specifically, we spoke about the fact that people who want to be involved in setting OLPC's future direction should make plans _now_ to attend our =9.2 planning conference (which will be in something like 7-8 months.) The discussion around Fudcon was simply that it would be good to take time in January (e.g. before or after Fudcon) to take stock of our progress toward the goals we set in November and to make any necessary course corrections. On a personal note, thanks a lot for the super hard work everyone on this list has done recently. More notes of appreciation and recognition will be forthcoming. For me, 8.2 was a warm up to help me gauge our capacity (btw its awesome!). Take a breath now if you can, the really exciting work is just starting... Well said. Regards, Michael P.S. - I noticed that the desire of many of the meeting participants to hash out policy differences during the meeting conflicted with your understandable desire to stick to your schedule and agenda. Is there some other venue where you would prefer to see people trying to resolve these disagreements? ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Master kernel in Joyride.
On Oct 16 2008, at 21:11, Jeremy Katz was caught saying: On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 20:18 -0400, Chris Ball wrote: Now that the Joyride floodgates are open, which kernel branch do you recommend we start testing in Joyride for the 9.1 release? If the master branch, are there any regressions in it compared to the testing branch? Which of 2.6.2[567] should we aim to ship with 9.1? If 9.1 isn't going to be released for about six months, I'd suggest actually waiting and picking a later kernel -- at least 2.6.28 (likely release in January), possibly 2.6.29 (probably April) depending on the exact schedule for 9.1. Ack. But to get there, we definetely want to get k.org latest into testing so we find issues in conjunction with changes to kernel.org ~Deepak -- Deepak Saxena - Kernel Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Master kernel in Joyride.
On Oct 16 2008, at 20:18, Chris Ball was caught saying: Hi Deepak/Andres, Now that the Joyride floodgates are open, which kernel branch do you recommend we start testing in Joyride for the 9.1 release? If the master branch, are there any regressions in it compared to the testing branch? Which of 2.6.2[567] should we aim to ship with 9.1? See Jeremy's message for kernel version. For now let's just stick to testing branch as master is still on 2.6.26, not been updated since july, and does not have various things from testing in it. I'll work with Dilinger on getting 2.6.27 + testing forward ports next week. ~Deepak -- Deepak Saxena - Kernel Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Another Journal Ideas
Hello, As pointed out elsewhere, the NLS system had a data storing and sharing mechanism called Journal. It allowed full-text search, versioning, hyperlinking/annotations and sharing among users. http://www.bootstrap.org/augdocs/augment-33076.htm The sharing and searching let people do interesting things; like when somebody stored a document that includes To: DCE in the document somewhere, and if DCE searches for To: DCE, the resulting list automatically became his message inbox, for example. Anyway, that is a bit of historical background (so anybody who thinks the OLPC's journal is a new idea, I have a bit of issue^^:) And there are some requirements/desire for the new system: + Recent discussion goes that some people use full text searching more, and tagging less. And, my observation is that kids are not going to tag documents, if it has to be done in a separated window. Out of Sight, Out of Mind is the proverb. + There is some desire to support legacy applications seemlessly. + And also, there is a need for running Sugar on the other operating systems. These things suggests that the whole concept of metadata may not be a good one. So, here is another simple Journal-like data organization idea. - In the Activity/Application UI, the place for tags, document title, etc. should be readily visible. For example, in a word processor, an empty document contains something like: Creator: yoshiki Title: No Name from the beginning. These fields are just text. The user may fill them at any point, and when the document is saved, these lines are also saved as a part of the same data. (By default. More to come later.) When I was a school kid, that was how I and all other students wrote essays. It is just a blank paper with grids and, I just wrote the name and title in the same way as the main body of the essay. - For a JPEG picture created by Record, the data can be stored in a comment in EXIF. - For an application like Etoys, the data file is actually a zip containing a few files. The metadata can be stored as another fixed named file in the zip. The word processor example can do something like this, too. - Optionally, the programmer of an activity writes a little program that knows how to extract the data. (let us call it a metadata extractor.) - An activity simply stores the data file into a file system location. So, unmodified X application can save data. - The new Journal system calls the metadata accessor to extract the data. Journal can certainly cache it. - Let us say for every week, the Journal can create a new directory for the activity. The data stored in the previous week or time period stays in a directory. So that let you access the old data in a time-indexed manner. So, the advantage of this approach is: - An unmodified application can save and load data from file system. - Any platform can support this. We don't have to rely on the DBus, but also it is not incompatible with the already Sugarized acitivities that can save data via DBus; the backend of Journal stores the file into the proper location. - The application programmer can write a small program and the Journal can extract the metadata for better views. But it is optional; even without the extractor, the system runs fine. - The time-based access can be made fast. A downside is: - It wouldn't be easy to get some kind of metadata like who you worked with. But there can be an API to query it from an activity and the activity can store it in the data. Alternatively, we can still recommend people to do DBus-based access to Journal when possible, and Journal could add it for the activity. Just a thought. I shared this now and then with some people, but it seems to be a good time to brain dump^^; -- Yoshiki ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Server-devel] Getting closer: XS-0.5-dev5 preview
Martin Langhoff wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 2:35 PM, Jerry Vonau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well there are 2 issues here, that one above and the root cause of having named, dhcpd, etc.. fail on firstboot is that olpc-network-config was used to call domain_config and network_config to enable the auto-configuration, what in use now? Or did I miss something? I just half-diagnosed and worked-around a very strange heisenbug affecting the dhcpd sub-script of domain_config: http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=projects/xs-config;a=commitdiff;h=f6d184fc829d1ba1b9ec31bf340ad0d895d3c803 I think the above explains at least _part_ of your problems. During initial install, network_config _is_ called and defaults to role 1, same with domain_config, defaulting to random.xs.laptop.org . See in %post of xs-config: ## Prepare config files pushd /etc # these don't need network settings make -B -f xs-config.make earlyset # seed low-level network conf and domain /etc/sysconfig/olpc-scripts/network_config /etc/sysconfig/olpc-scripts/domain_config make -B -f xs-config.make networkset popd the block is reexec'd on every upgrade. The relevant scripts are smart enough to update any additional settings they need based on the seed settings (role and domain name). cheers, m Just so you know, service dhcpd anything or /etc/init.d/dhcpd anything from the keyboard is broken... until you change away from the built-in defaults. You must run the *_config before DHCPd can run, is the meat of the error message. See dhcpd.in, might want to bind only to the bonding devices here also. The ifcfg-lanbond0:1, ifcfg-lanbond0:2 ip address variable is wrong, that s/b $XS_LANDBOND0_ or change network_config Jerry ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] yummy moodle - xs-0.5
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 6:43 AM, David Van Assche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Martin, Is there a list of the changes you made somewhere... from a standard moodle install...? This will probably never have a pretty list - sorry! - but you can track the patches that diverge from upstream in the mdl19-xs branch here: http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/martin/moodle.git;a=summary cheers, m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] Getting closer: XS-0.5-dev5 preview
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Jerry Vonau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just so you know, service dhcpd anything or /etc/init.d/dhcpd anything from the keyboard is broken... until you change away from the built-in defaults. You must run the *_config before DHCPd can run, is the meat of the error message. Good point. Some commands (condrestart, status) might not need this. There is a nasty bit of circularity between this and the fact that domain_config tries to exec the init script itself. But I think I can live with this issue for now -- until we reimplement domain_config. See dhcpd.in, might want to bind only to the bonding devices here also. I've already changed the dhcp config to bind the right bonding devices :-) The ifcfg-lanbond0:1, ifcfg-lanbond0:2 ip address variable is wrong, that s/b $XS_LANDBOND0_ or change network_config good catch - fixed. m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
