Re: 870 on XO1
On 26 June 2011 00:03, Kevin Gordon kgordon...@gmail.com wrote: Folks, on XO 1 with new 870 build : 1) At boot, once the animation has completed its little circle, the screen goes black for about 17 seconds before the favourite wheel comes up. Does this on multiple XO's. Does not happen on os23. Thanks, filed as http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/11019 2) In general, boot takes about twice as long on 870 than on os23, again on multiple XO's compared. 3) Activities take longer to launch, flashing icon stays almost twice as long on the screen before the screen comes up than it did on os23 for some. These are due to the filesystem switch, or more specifically the switch in compression methods used. The result is significantly reduced disk utilisation (higher compression) but more CPU-intensive work needed to read and write files. Unfortunate, but true. A slowdown is expected, as a tradeoff for not shipping a nearly-full disk. What we've effectively done is reverted to what we had for 10.1.3. So, a more interesting comparison would be observing build 860 at the side of build 870. Bear in mind that some activities take a lot longer to launch the first time after flashing, e.g. Browse and Record, so care is needed to ensure the comparison is fair. Thanks, Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: 870 on XO1
dsd: Yes sir, 860 behaves just like 870 in identical comparisons in terms of time of booting and activity launching, just as you predicted. However 860 leaves the completed boot animation circle up, instead of turning the screen black for that rather long period of time between animation completion and the appearance of the favourite wheel. Guess I had just gotten used to (and happy with) the quicker osxx series of builds. Cheers, KG On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On 26 June 2011 00:03, Kevin Gordon kgordon...@gmail.com wrote: Folks, on XO 1 with new 870 build : 1) At boot, once the animation has completed its little circle, the screen goes black for about 17 seconds before the favourite wheel comes up. Does this on multiple XO's. Does not happen on os23. Thanks, filed as http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/11019 2) In general, boot takes about twice as long on 870 than on os23, again on multiple XO's compared. 3) Activities take longer to launch, flashing icon stays almost twice as long on the screen before the screen comes up than it did on os23 for some. These are due to the filesystem switch, or more specifically the switch in compression methods used. The result is significantly reduced disk utilisation (higher compression) but more CPU-intensive work needed to read and write files. Unfortunate, but true. A slowdown is expected, as a tradeoff for not shipping a nearly-full disk. What we've effectively done is reverted to what we had for 10.1.3. So, a more interesting comparison would be observing build 860 at the side of build 870. Bear in mind that some activities take a lot longer to launch the first time after flashing, e.g. Browse and Record, so care is needed to ensure the comparison is fair. Thanks, Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Screen dimming XO1 vs XO 1.5
Folks: On the XO 1 with the osxx builds and 870, with no power setting options turned on, the screen still dims after a period of inactivity. The unit is active, but just the screen has dimmed off. Tapping a key or the trackpad brings the screen back on, and everything else including wifi is still active. This is a really neat 'feature', as it mitigates some issues with sleep/resume functions on the XO, while still saving an appreciable amount of battery life. However, on the XO 1.5, when, as well, both items in power settings are unchecked, the screen never dims. As such, walking away from the machine for 20 minutes or so is a pretty significant battery usage hit. Any chance at getting the 1.5 to behave like the 1.0? Even if this by design because the power settings behave better on the 1.5, IMO auto dim of the screen regardless of settings would be nice. KG ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: 870 on XO1
On 26 June 2011 14:47, Kevin Gordon kgordon...@gmail.com wrote: Yes sir, 860 behaves just like 870 in identical comparisons in terms of time of booting and activity launching, just as you predicted. However 860 leaves the completed boot animation circle up, instead of turning the screen black for that rather long period of time between animation completion and the appearance of the favourite wheel. Will be fixed in 871, thanks for spotting it. Guess I had just gotten used to (and happy with) the quicker osxx series of builds. It's definitely something we'll revisit. When you have a small disk like ours, it is a hard tradeoff. Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Screen dimming XO1 vs XO 1.5
On 26 June 2011 14:55, Kevin Gordon kgordon...@gmail.com wrote: Folks: On the XO 1 with the osxx builds and 870, with no power setting options turned on, the screen still dims after a period of inactivity. The unit is active, but just the screen has dimmed off. You might be talking about http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10856 but I don't quite understand your description. Are you talking about a screen dim where the screen remains on and readable but with less backlight intensity, or where the screen turns off and goes completely black? Thanks, Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Updates for OLPC English Keyboard mappings table
I have been consulting http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_English_Keyboard and performing some of my own tests with an external US-style keyboard (Logitech Internet 350) on an XO-1.5 running XO-AU OS 10.1.3-au2. So far I have determined that: * F1-F4 changes views (Neighbourhood/Friends/Home/Activity) * F5 switches to the journal * F6 shows the frame * F11/F12 controls volume (also, volume controls on most keyboards work) * right Alt behaves as AltGr * Windows key acts as Hand/Grab (hold this button and move on the track pad to scroll) * my additional volume keys also work It looks to me that the function/modifier keys for frame, volume and grab are not mapped in the table on that wiki page. I didn't want to edit it unless I was sure about it. Can someone knowledgeable please confirm and/or update the page? Thanks, Sridhar Sridhar Dhanapalan Technical Manager One Laptop per Child Australia M: +61 425 239 701 E: srid...@laptop.org.au A: G.P.O. Box 731 Sydney, NSW 2001 W: www.laptop.org.au ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Screen dimming XO1 vs XO 1.5
Sorry, soon I will learn to use terminology correctly. In this case, by dim I meant instant off. :-) If I just walk away from an XO1 leaving it up, let's say, on the favourites wheel, after about 15 mins the screen backlight goes off, not dark, not dim, it goes completely off. This is with no power saving settings checked on. I dont think it's officially sleeping, or idle, since the 'activity' lights are still flashing, and the unit appears to still be on the WIFI lan. Tapping on a key brings the screen back on, and it would appear nothing else is 'resuming', because the rest of the box responds instantly, and to me still seems to have continued as active. As, I said, this to me is a 'desired' behaviour. This is on os23 and 870 on the XO1. With no power saving setting checked on the XO 1.5 walking away for, o, let's say, 24 hours, upon return, the screen is still on at full brightness. I'm also now testing simultaneously with 860 on an XO-1 to see if this screen-off is something 'new'. 20 minutes have already passed with no 'screen off' occurring, but stay tuned. I'm going to leave it on, and go out and cut the grass. I'll then also simultaneously try the same 4 scenarios in gnome upon return as well. (XO 1.0/860, XO 1.0/870, XO 1.0/os23, XO1.5/870) Cheers, KG On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On 26 June 2011 14:55, Kevin Gordon kgordon...@gmail.com wrote: Folks: On the XO 1 with the osxx builds and 870, with no power setting options turned on, the screen still dims after a period of inactivity. The unit is active, but just the screen has dimmed off. You might be talking about http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10856 but I don't quite understand your description. Are you talking about a screen dim where the screen remains on and readable but with less backlight intensity, or where the screen turns off and goes completely black? Thanks, Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Screen dimming XO1 vs XO 1.5
On 26 June 2011 15:22, Kevin Gordon kgordon...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, soon I will learn to use terminology correctly. In this case, by dim I meant instant off. :-) Yep, this is a known issue - but one that we treat only with low priority. Auto screen poweroff on inactivity has been implemented on XO-1 but not on XO-1.5. The XO-1 implementation is a bit questionable, that's why it is not a trivial task to include it for XO-1.5. In future this may get easier, when we get our OLPC-specific display controller driver into the kernel, and when we eventually move our graphics driver into the kernel (KMS). So, I wouldn't worry about digging into this. Here is a relevant ticket you could track: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9710 Thanks, Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Screen dimming XO1 vs XO 1.5
daniel wrote: On 26 June 2011 15:22, Kevin Gordon kgordon...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, soon I will learn to use terminology correctly. In this case, by dim I meant instant off. :-) Yep, this is a known issue - but one that we treat only with low priority. Auto screen poweroff on inactivity has been implemented on XO-1 but not on XO-1.5. given you referred to #9710, i'm assuming you think kevin is seeing DPMS. did we reenable DPMS on XO-1? i hadn't realized that. i've recommended keeping it off for some time, because it fights with powerd, but maybe you've fixed that. The XO-1 implementation is a bit questionable, that's why it is not a trivial task to include it for XO-1.5. equivalent functionality would be trivial, with a new checkbox to reconfigure powerd to allow dimming/blanking the screen but prevent sleeping. this would work on both platforms. paul In future this may get easier, when we get our OLPC-specific display controller driver into the kernel, and when we eventually move our graphics driver into the kernel (KMS). So, I wouldn't worry about digging into this. Here is a relevant ticket you could track: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9710 Thanks, Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
