Re: Clock?
Joshua Minor wrote: Is it reasonable to assume that the XO's clock is set correctly? Specifically I'd like to use python's time.time() to determine which participant of an activity has been using it the longest. A NetworkManager callout could set it, but it seems we're not doing it yet. Alternately, is there a simple way to query the network for the current time? Try: ntpdate pool.ntp.org This will also set the system clock, but not save the time in the hardware clock. We're also not setting the TZ correctly at this time, and I'm almost sure that couldn't be done automatically from the manufacturing data. -- \___/ |___| Bernardo Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \___\ One Laptop Per Child - http://www.laptop.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Fooling with Java
Bert Freudenberg wrote: On Dec 22, 2007, at 2:04 , Jeffrey Kesselman wrote: Okay, I have a JDK installed and it seems to work. For grins i put netbeans on my USB stick and fired it up. It seems to be working however I get no main display. I do get pop up dialogs though. My suspicion is that Netbeans is asking the X wm for a Window and, sicne from what I cna see the window manager in the OLPC is windowless (one fullscreen root window only) it ends u pwitha null window and all the drawing goes down the bit bucket. Has anyone else played with this? If so does anyone know any magic to get it to use the root window for the app frame? Our window manager is Matchbox, it is not window-less but full- screen, that is, it resizes each top-level window to cover the whole screen. In theory this should work fine with all well-behaved X11 apps, and in practice it seems to work for most. Can't help with Java specifically. I brought up a couple of X apps from the terminal window on my virtual XO. Alt-Tab cycles through the windows, including the Journal. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: OLPC Debian root password
As I understand, gdm will not allow you to login as root without password. And there is no olpc user. So the trick is to change to text console for login, create password or user and you'll be able to login with gdm. Maxim On Dec 22, 2007 5:27 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From looking at the build on updates.laptop.org, it looks to me like there is no password set for root. In any case, the debian build is rather old; you will get better results by repeating the steps at: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Installing_Debian_as_an_upgrade This will ensure you get the latest kernel, firmware, etc. --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
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Re: Fooling with Java
On Dec 22, 2007 5:00 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I brought up a couple of X apps from the terminal window on my virtual XO. Alt-Tab cycles through the windows, including the Journal. You can also use Alt-p or Alt-n to cycle through the windows. The related keyboard shortcuts can be found here. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Keyboard_Shortcuts -- Best regards, Yuan Chao ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
upgrading firmware on activated laptops
Is there any procedure to upgrade JUST the firmware on activated laptops? Thanks! -- Emiliano Pastorino LATU - Plan Ceibal Av. Italia 6201 CP: 11500, Montevideo, Uruguay Tel: (598 2) 601 3724 int.: 467 ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Clock?
On Dec 22, 2007 3:07 AM, Bernardo Innocenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joshua Minor wrote: Is it reasonable to assume that the XO's clock is set correctly? Specifically I'd like to use python's time.time() to determine which participant of an activity has been using it the longest. A NetworkManager callout could set it, but it seems we're not doing it yet. It's done in joyride and will be done in update.1, but not in ship.2 builds. trac #3359. --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Clock?
Great. This will be perfect. For now I've set mine manually via ntpdate and hwclock. Thanks everyone. -josh On Dec 22, 2007, at 4:49 AM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: On Dec 22, 2007 3:07 AM, Bernardo Innocenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joshua Minor wrote: Is it reasonable to assume that the XO's clock is set correctly? Specifically I'd like to use python's time.time() to determine which participant of an activity has been using it the longest. A NetworkManager callout could set it, but it seems we're not doing it yet. It's done in joyride and will be done in update.1, but not in ship.2 builds. trac #3359. --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
OLPC News 2007-12-22
1. Arahuay, Peru: If you haven't yet seen it, please take the time to read this AP article about the XO in remote Peruvian village (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-laptop_webdec22,1,6878223.story). The lead paragraph says it all: Doubts about whether poor, rural children really can benefit from quirky little computers evaporate as quickly as the morning dew in this hilltop Andean village, where 50 primary school children got machines from the One Laptop Per Child project six months ago. 2. Hinge: Jacques Gagne has been investigating the laptop hinge—the clearance between the two rotating parts should be tighter and this would reduce wobble. Mary Lou Jepsen and Quanta are investigating a possible run-in change at the earliest possible date. 3. Hardware certifications and testing data: Mary Lou has created a compilation of certification and testing data that is available on the wiki (Please see http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Hardware_Testing); it will be expanded over time. 4. Green: EMPA at the Swiss National Labs is continuing its work on life cycle analysis of the XO laptops by comparing the cost, lifetime, power consumption, and overall environmental impact with the refurbished desktops in Columbia. Mary Lou teleconferenced with the team this week and will assure that they get all the data they need to complete their analysis. The final report is due in mid-February. Columbia is widely acknowledged to have one of the most successful re-furbished desktop programs in Latin America. 5. Water: Anna Bershteyn, an MIT Ph.D. candidate, has been helping OLPC follow up on some questions from Ban Samhka, Thailand about the best way to test and improve water quality; water quality is an area of interest that is expanding in the OLPC community. Anna and Mary Lou met with Susan Murcott to discuss possible simple hands-on games on the XOs that will encourage children to test and/or filter their water. SJ Klein has put Anna in touch with groups from UNICEF and the Hesperian Foundation who are also working on water safety. To learn more about Anna, please visit the wiki (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Anna_B). 6. Power measurements: John Watlington instrumented a production machine for power measurements this week to allow continued verification of the laptop power-saving measures. This allows Chris Ball (and the rest of the software team) to continuously measure the power consumption at ten different places around the laptop, and also automatically simulate user input to wake up the laptop (power button, lid switch, etc.). We have already have a B3 unit with over twenty power measurement points, but it cannot aggressively suspend/resume, and doesn't have any of the more recent power-savings-related engineering changes. 7. Embedded controller: Richard Smith spent time studying oscilloscope traces looking for a possible cause of the reopening of Ticket 1835 (unable to resume); recent software builds were failing on the suspend/resume testbed. He has been unable to reproduce the problem with bare-board tests and he now feels that he fully understand the software causes of 1835 (three distinct causes). Running the latest EC code with Joyride kernels doesn't seem to have the problem. Richard and John will continue to run tests on the suspend/resume testbed to insure that we won't have the problem with Update.1 A second bonus was discovery and verification of EC issues that Chris Ball and Jim Gettys have run into. Andres helped Richard find an EC bug where the SCI mask was getting corrupted. The most frequent manifestation of that was the loss of AC events or battery-charge level. Richard still don't know the root cause of the corruption, but has a good test case and kernel debug logs. There appears to be a case where EC communication fails and error recover is not working. Fixing it is going to involve more oscilloscope time, because turning on serial- port debugging appears to make the problem go away. There is already a workaround in the kernel to fix the mask when it becomes corrupted, so it's not a show-stopper. Richard is also writing some cron scripts that will take a snapshot of the battery ACR while the laptop is running on battery power and then then send us the data. Richard wants to use these data to build power usage profiles. The ACR gives us a very accurate reading on the amount of mA/h drawn from the battery. Plotting it over time will begin to give us insight on our dynamic power draw. 8. School server We found a serious problem with the mesh networking in the build of School-server software released last week (Build 137), which brings down an active antenna if a large file transfer is attempted. A new build of the software with the new libertas driver (thanks David Woodhouse) greatly improves the situation. A new build is being tested and tuned and will be released in the next few days. The school-server-software build problems have returned, but this time we identified one of the
New joyride build 1465
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Re: upgrading firmware on activated laptops
Michael Stone wrote: Emiliano, First things first - caveat emptor. Direct access to the firmware makes it very easy to brick your machine. Do not attempt to use these instructions unless you are prepared to deal with the possible consequences of mistakes and/or failure. Consult OFW experts for the necessary precautions. Second - real answers. There are two user-facing mechanisms available for updating the firmware. One is to put a signed firmware blob in the right place on the filesystem and to reboot. The other is to use a developer key to issue to the necessary words to trigger a reflash directly to the firmware. See http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5565 for the current debate about the former procedure. To exercise the second method, one uses a developer key and the information on http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Cheat_codes to gain access access to the Open Firmware ok prompt. Then, after taking appropriate precautions to ensure the availability of uninterrupted power, one can manually trigger a reflash with two words similar to: get-file u:\q2d07.rom reflash Or you can just say: ok flash u:\q2d07.rom There is no reason to separate the get-file ... and reflash steps. Michael P.S. - if you have to do this for lots and lots of machines, you should probably try to work with us to qualify and release a firmware. On Sat, Dec 22, 2007 at 09:39:27AM -0300, Emiliano Pastorino wrote: Is there any procedure to upgrade JUST the firmware on activated laptops? Thanks! -- Emiliano Pastorino LATU - Plan Ceibal Av. Italia 6201 CP: 11500, Montevideo, Uruguay Tel: (598 2) 601 3724 int.: 467 ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Fooling with Java
Thanks Guys. I decided to try something a bit lighter weight so i installed JEdit. I discovered that alt-p/alt-n and at elast for JEdit that works to get my editor window up front. Two oddities in mtachbook/java pairing still. (1) Although the system window is full screen its not resizing the Java pane to full screen but to more like 1/3 of the screen. I'm wondering if matchbook is somehow lying to Java about the native window size. I suspect I could hack that for a OLPC build since the screen size is a constant. (2) More importantly, pull down Java?Swing menus don't work right. When I cli k on the menu it appears but as soon as I release the button it disappears. The proper behavior, and what I see with this same jar file on other systems, is that the menu stays so you can select an entry. Second part of this is even if I try to do hold button and drag to select an entry , it doesn't highlight the entry right. Its worth noting that using KB short cuts for menus and entries DOES do the right thing on screen so it seems like its specific to the mouse interraction. Other then that, it seems to work great! JK On Dec 22, 2007 7:23 AM, Yuan Chao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 22, 2007 5:00 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I brought up a couple of X apps from the terminal window on my virtual XO. Alt-Tab cycles through the windows, including the Journal. You can also use Alt-p or Alt-n to cycle through the windows. The related keyboard shortcuts can be found here. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Keyboard_Shortcuts -- Best regards, Yuan Chao ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- ~~ Microsoft help desk says: reply hazy, ask again later. ~~ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Clock?
FWIIW, the hardware clock configuration is set to use localtime by default. This can be reconfigured to use UTC (see /etc/rc.sysinit which includes the config file /etc/sysconfig/clock if it exists), but it probably isn't worth the effort. WRT my previous advice on using hwclock, do *not* use the --utc flag. hwclock --systohc Best regards, gvb Joshua Minor wrote: Great. This will be perfect. For now I've set mine manually via ntpdate and hwclock. Thanks everyone. -josh On Dec 22, 2007, at 4:49 AM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: On Dec 22, 2007 3:07 AM, Bernardo Innocenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joshua Minor wrote: Is it reasonable to assume that the XO's clock is set correctly? Specifically I'd like to use python's time.time() to determine which participant of an activity has been using it the longest. A NetworkManager callout could set it, but it seems we're not doing it yet. It's done in joyride and will be done in update.1, but not in ship.2 builds. trac #3359. --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Our Stories: Commercialization?
After reading the Bender update, I checked out Anna's recent effort ( http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Anna_B) which seemed to be similar to Ian Daniher's Telehealth module effort and I noticed the following goal. -Van on commercializing Our Stories: would consumers pay for something like a virtual safari tour? A micro-franchise idea Are we actually avoiding the commercialization of the technologies we develop under OLPC? ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Clock?
Jerry Van Baren wrote: FWIIW, the hardware clock configuration is set to use localtime by default. This can be reconfigured to use UTC (see /etc/rc.sysinit which includes the config file /etc/sysconfig/clock if it exists), but it probably isn't worth the effort. From hwclock's man page: If you specify neither --utc nor --localtime , the default is whichever was specified the last time hwclock was used to set the clock (i.e. hwclock was successfully run with the --set , --systohc , or --adjust options), as recorded in the adjtime file. If the adjtime file doesn't exist, the default is local time. So the first time you set the hwclock with --utc, it will be kept that way. -- \___/ |___| Bernardo Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \___\ One Laptop Per Child - http://www.laptop.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: OLPC News 2007-12-22
On 22.12.2007 17:32, Walter Bender wrote: 2. Hinge: Jacques Gagne has been investigating the laptop hinge—the clearance between the two rotating parts should be tighter and this would reduce wobble. Mary Lou Jepsen and Quanta are investigating a possible run-in change at the earliest possible date. Wasn't the clearance made wider sometime between B1 and B2 to fix the problem with interlocking plastic parts? Please explain further. 7. Embedded controller: Richard Smith spent time studying oscilloscope traces looking for a possible cause of the reopening of Ticket 1835 (unable to resume); recent software builds were failing on the suspend/resume testbed. He has been unable to reproduce the problem with bare-board tests and he now feels that he fully understand the software causes of 1835 (three distinct causes). Running the latest EC code with Joyride kernels doesn't seem to have the problem. Richard and John will continue to run tests on the suspend/resume testbed to insure that we won't have the problem with Update.1 A second bonus was discovery and verification of EC issues that Chris Ball and Jim Gettys have run into. Andres helped Richard find an EC bug where the SCI mask was getting corrupted. The most frequent Is this a hardware or software bug? manifestation of that was the loss of AC events or battery-charge level. Richard still don't know the root cause of the corruption, but has a good test case and kernel debug logs. There appears to be a case where EC communication fails and error recover is not working. Fixing it is going to involve more oscilloscope time, because turning on serial- port debugging appears to make the problem go away. There is already a workaround in the kernel to fix the mask when it becomes corrupted, so it's not a show-stopper. Richard is also writing some cron scripts that will take a snapshot of the battery ACR while the laptop is running on battery power and then then send us the data. Richard wants to use these data to build power usage profiles. The ACR gives us a very accurate reading on the amount of mA/h drawn from the battery. Plotting it over time will begin to give us insight on our dynamic power draw. This may have been asked before, but how far is the progress in freeing the EC code? IIRC first there were official statements that the EC code would be free (and all parties would agree to that), then after some time it was announced that OLPC were talking with Quanta about setting the code free, now we just hear about EC bugs, but nothing about the code. Regards, Carl-Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [PATCH] Fix padding in Terminal activity
Phil Bordelon wrote: On 650, the Terminal activity doesn't have enough padding on the left side; this makes capital Hs, numbers, and so on lose some of their pixels when they're printed flush to the side. I should have said that the bug for this is: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5641 Phil ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
New joyride build 1466
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[PATCH] Fix default channel for XoIRC (#5378)
Here's a trivial one-liner to fix the default channel that XoIRC
joins. The patch is also attached to this bug:
http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5378
Phil
diff -ur XoIRC.activity/xoircactivity.py XoIRC.activity.patched/xoircactivity.py
--- XoIRC.activity/xoircactivity.py 2007-12-06 21:43:58.0 -0600
+++ XoIRC.activity.patched/xoircactivity.py 2007-12-21 16:20:44.903647372 -0600
@@ -33,7 +33,7 @@
self.set_title(_('Xo IRC Activity'))
client = purk.Client()
-client.add_channel('#olpc-support')
+client.add_channel('#olpc-help')
client.join_server('irc.freenode.net')
client.show()
widget = client.get_widget()
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[PATCH] [XoIRC] Make default nicks more meaningful (#5385)
At last, a non-trivial patch.
By default, XoIRC uses the username when another nick is not
provided. Alas, for every XO, this is 'olpc'. This makes for
rather a mess in the IRC channels.
This patch instead generates a more-meaningful nick:
* It takes up to 11 alphabetic characters from the user's Sugar
nick;
* it appends a hyphen; and
* it adds the last four hexadecimal digits of the MD5 hash of
the user's public key.
The last serves a dual purpose: it (fairly) uniquely identifies
each XO, and it keeps the collisions to a theoretical minimum
if there are, say, lots of 'jane's or 'john's signing on.
The bug that this patch was originally posted to is at:
http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5385
Phil
diff -ur XoIRC.activity/purk/irc.py XoIRC.activity.nickfix/purk/irc.py
--- XoIRC.activity/purk/irc.py 2007-12-06 22:26:30.0 -0600
+++ XoIRC.activity.nickfix/purk/irc.py 2007-12-21 17:13:53.860637383 -0600
@@ -43,8 +43,34 @@
try:
nicks = [conf.get('nick')] + conf.get('altnicks',[])
if not nicks[0]:
-import getpass
-nicks = [getpass.getuser()]
+
+# We're going to generate a nick based on the user's nick name
+# and their public key.
+import sugar.profile
+import md5
+
+user_name = sugar.profile.get_nick_name()
+pubkey = sugar.profile.get_pubkey()
+m = md5.new()
+m.update(pubkey)
+hexhash = m.hexdigest()
+
+# Okay. Get all of the alphabetic bits of the username:
+user_name_letters = .join([x for x in user_name if x.isalpha()])
+
+# If that came up with nothing, make it 'XO'. Also, shorten it
+# if it's more than 11 characters (as we need 5 for - and the
+# hash).
+if len(user_name_letters) == 0:
+ user_name_letters = XO
+if len(user_name_letters) 11:
+ user_name_letters = user_name_letters[0:11]
+
+# Finally, generate a nick by using those letters plus the last
+# four hash bits of the user's public key.
+user_nick = user_name_letters + - + hexhash[-4:]
+
+nicks = [user_nick]
except:
nicks = [mrurk]
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Re: OLPC News 2007-12-22
Hi Carl There is an effort to open the Ec code. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OpenEC if you want to help you are welcome! :). On Dec 22, 2007 7:37 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wasn't the clearance made wider sometime between B1 and B2 to fix the problem with interlocking plastic parts? Please explain further. As I recall, we widened the base to reduce some wobble. This is an effort to further reduce wobble (in the 90 degree rotation). Is this a hardware or software bug? Software. This may have been asked before, but how far is the progress in freeing the EC code? IIRC first there were official statements that the EC code would be free (and all parties would agree to that), then after some time it was announced that OLPC were talking with Quanta about setting the code free, now we just hear about EC bugs, but nothing about the code. I don't think we'll get this code freed up because it is a tangle of ownership and licenses. But we do plan to rewrite it from scratch when we come up for air. -walter --- Walter Bender One Laptop per Child http://laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero One Laptop Per Child [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: OLPC News 2007-12-22
Wasn't the clearance made wider sometime between B1 and B2 to fix the problem with interlocking plastic parts? Please explain further. As I recall, we widened the base to reduce some wobble. This is an effort to further reduce wobble (in the 90 degree rotation). Is this a hardware or software bug? Software. This may have been asked before, but how far is the progress in freeing the EC code? IIRC first there were official statements that the EC code would be free (and all parties would agree to that), then after some time it was announced that OLPC were talking with Quanta about setting the code free, now we just hear about EC bugs, but nothing about the code. I don't think we'll get this code freed up because it is a tangle of ownership and licenses. But we do plan to rewrite it from scratch when we come up for air. -walter --- Walter Bender One Laptop per Child http://laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Our Stories: Commercialization?
Well, FWI and realizing its not my projct so my opinion means nthoing... I've thought sicne i first fired up the emulator and got a good look at it that the OLPC project is probably missing a bet for funding. I'm willing to bet if it was licensed to someone like Mattel to sell in the first world, they could sell a ton at around $250, increase the volume to lower production costs, as well as funnel some of hte profits back into funding the third world efforts. But thats just my opinion. As far as the software goes, its all open source, right? As long as someone lives up to their obligations under the open source license I don't see anything wrong with them trying something commercial with it. *shrug* On Dec 22, 2007 6:25 PM, Tom Boonsiri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After reading the Bender update, I checked out Anna's recent effort (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Anna_B) which seemed to be similar to Ian Daniher's Telehealth module effort and I noticed the following goal. -Van on commercializing Our Stories: would consumers pay for something like a virtual safari tour? A micro-franchise idea Are we actually avoiding the commercialization of the technologies we develop under OLPC? ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- ~~ Microsoft help desk says: reply hazy, ask again later. ~~ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
xo-get news
Hi, Here a few news about the latest xo-get updates: 1. Easy installation with 'wget xo-get.linuxuser.at' 2. Installation of the process watching tool with 'xo-get install pw' (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Monitoring_System_Load) 3. 32 Activities ready to install (http://www.olpcaustria.org/mediawiki/index.php/Xo-get/Repository) 4. Backup repository (on linuxuser.at), in case olpcaustria.org is down The tool also proved useful for development, when you need to do many de-/installations of xo's for testing. Have a look at it! http://www.olpcaustria.org/mediawiki/index.php/Xo-get Best regards from Vienna, - Chris ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Our Stories: Commercialization?
Tom Boonsiri wrote: After reading the Bender update, I checked out Anna's recent effort (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Anna_B) which seemed to be similar to Ian Daniher's Telehealth module effort and I noticed the following goal. -Van on commercializing Our Stories: would consumers pay for something like a virtual safari tour? A micro-franchise idea Are we actually avoiding the commercialization of the technologies we develop under OLPC? Well ... 1. A recent news item stated that some countries that are heavily into hosting on line gambling casinos are asking the World Trade Organization to fine the USA because we have legislation to protect our citizens from on line gambling casinos. 2. Any talk of commercialization of anything needs to be gone over with a fine-toothed comb by dozens of accountants and attorneys here is the USA. In short, there are always going to be grinches trying to steal our Christmases. :) But I'm personally a lot more interested in the stories of the children than I am in a virtual safari. And yes, I'd pay money for the literature, art and music that comes out of the project. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Our Stories: Commercialization?
On Dec 22, 2007 9:33 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well ... 1. A recent news item stated that some countries that are heavily into hosting on line gambling casinos are asking the World Trade Organization to fine the USA because we have legislation to protect our citizens from on line gambling casinos. Don't entirely get your point here. FWIS, I think their complaint that we are acting in restraint of trade is an interesting one. The word protect is a pretty loaded term. The more politics neutral would be to say we illegalize gambling in this country (unless its owned and operated by the government, in which case not only is it legal but its legal to promote and advertise too, but thats another topic and not so politically neutral.) Its an intrresting, global world we live in, and as soon as trade began on the internet it became a very small one. We can't expect the rest of the world to live and play by our wants and prejudices any more then we would be comfortable with another nation saying we should live and play by theirs. But in a global world economy its not so easy to isolate ourselves, either. Interesting times 2. Any talk of commercialization of anything needs to be gone over with a fine-toothed comb by dozens of accountants and attorneys here is the USA. Well, anything with the word commercialize' in it aught to be gone over by the attorney of those who wish to commercialize it. Thats basic business. In short, there are always going to be grinches trying to steal our Christmases. :) *shrug* I rather see it as the free software movement at work. You are using the software that was provided to you under open source in ways perhapse not invisioned by the authors. Others may use yours in ways not invisioned by you. Free as in speech means, by its definition, the freedom to use it in efforts that are *not* free as in beer. As long as the terms of use under which it was released are being respected. -- ~~ Microsoft help desk says: reply hazy, ask again later. ~~ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Update of activities over the web
I have noticed that PlayGo is listed as an activity on the Austria download site. I think this great, but I have one problem: Updating the activity. The browser called open routine that is connected to the open button does not update the activity to the latest version that is downloaded. In fact, before the the update happens I must remove the activity from the start bar, delete the activity directory and reboot in order to get the new version of the activity to install. Is the open button going to be more robust? Should the activity check the git repository for updates and update itself? Is there a library for this? -Gerard ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Clock?
OK, setting my hwclock to utc shows /etc/adjtime has UTC, but after rebooting it gets reset to 0 (localtime), causing the incorrect time offset. /etc/init.d/halt calls hwclock to write the current time out to the hardware. It looks in /etc/sysconfig/clock for the UTC flag. It defaults to local. My XO doesn't have an /etc/sysconfig/clock All the Linux boxes I've ever worked with have run with the hardware clock set to UTC. I'm not sure why XO is setup to use local time. It should work. (The only reason I know to have the UTC set to local time is if you are dual booting with a popular OS that needs (needed?) local time.) I try to avoid writing to the hwclock by hand. It just leads to confusion like this. If you get the system time set correctly and then cleanly reboot your machine, it should write it out the way it wants and read it back in the same way. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: upgrading firmware on activated laptops
To exercise the second method, one uses a developer key and the information on http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Cheat_codes to gain access to the Open Firmware ok prompt. Please note that there are users like me who have the exact problem described by http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5558. I have been totally __unable__ to gain access to the Open Firmware ok prompt. mikus (G1G1) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: upgrading firmware on activated laptops
Hi, Please note that there are users like me who have the exact problem described by http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5558. I have been totally __unable__ to gain access to the Open Firmware ok prompt. Please read the top section of http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Autoreinstallation_image: This page is for software developers only. It does not apply to Give One Get One laptops unless you first get a developer key; until then, please use the olpc-update or activated upgrade method. - Chris. -- Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: G1G1 laptop - Bad alt key?
Hi, The Getting Started Guide's troubleshooting guide http://www.laptop.org/en/laptop/start/troubleshooting.shtml is recommending that users email bug reports to bugs at laptop.org, which is apparently incorrect, according to bugs-owner. Probably the guide should be corrected. If this is not the correct list either, and if the problem described below is an isolated hardware failure rather than a software issue, could someone suggest the correct list to email to? Thanks, - Dan On Sat, 2007-12-22 at 23:52 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This list is not for bug discussion. Please respect the Reply-To: header and send replies to the development list, devel -AT- laptop.org. Thanks! email message attachment Forwarded Message From: Dan Krejsa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: G1G1 laptop - Bad alt key? Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:50:50 -0800 (Hi, FYI my first attempt to send this failed as I was not subscribed to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Getting Started User's Guide's troubleshooting guide http://www.laptop.org/en/laptop/start/troubleshooting.shtml suggests emailing 'bugs at laptop.org', but doesn't mention it is necessary to subscribe.) Hi, I just received 4 G1G1 laptops today (Yeah!). I've opened two already. I had no problem with the first, but on the second there appears to be a problem related to the alt key. After the first time I press it, it appears that the alt modifier stays on -- so that if I just type the 'enter' key, the display goes to full screen mode, if I type f, it toggles the frame. I can't type ordinary characters or keyboard shortcuts that don't have the alt modifier down. If I power down the XO, things are OK until the next time I use the alt key. If this isn't a known software issue, I suspect it's just a bad keyboard, and hopefully it's a rare thing. In either case I thought you would be interested in the report. Please let me know how I should proceed. There's no great time urgency for this for me, though. Thanks for the good work! - Dan P.S. One of my nephews gets a laptop for Christmas. I'll wait a bit for my other nephew neice until I can get a bit more comfortable with the laptop software, and maybe reflash with a newer build. The last one's for me ;-) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Silly Question
I've been familairiazing myself wioth my OLPC but there are a few thinsg I havent figured out yet. (1) I have a 2 gig SD card in my card slot. I can see it in the journal, but I can't figure out how to use it for anything. In particular Id like to dowload stuff to it But when I download it goes to my journal, which I assume is hiding fiels somewhere in the main filesystem, yes? Is there a way to redirect downloads directly to the SD card? If not, is ther a way from the interface to move downlaods to it after they have been downloaded? (2) About those journal downloads... I thought I'd escape to the terminal and just move stufff from there if i had to, but I can't find them. The linux find command turns up nothing. Where are they stored? Thanks JK -- ~~ Microsoft help desk says: reply hazy, ask again later. ~~ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Silly Question
On Dec 22, 2007 9:22 PM, Jeffrey Kesselman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been familairiazing myself wioth my OLPC but there are a few thinsg I havent figured out yet. (1) I have a 2 gig SD card in my card slot. I can see it in the journal, but I can't figure out how to use it for anything. Does this help? http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Journal#External_storage_devices If not, please post your question to the New Users page on the Wiki. In particular Id like to dowload stuff to it But when I download it goes to my journal, which I assume is hiding fiels somewhere in the main filesystem, yes? Is there a way to redirect downloads directly to the SD card? If not, is ther a way from the interface to move downlaods to it after they have been downloaded? (2) About those journal downloads... I thought I'd escape to the terminal and just move stufff from there if i had to, but I can't find them. The linux find command turns up nothing. Where are they stored? Thanks JK -- ~~ Microsoft help desk says: reply hazy, ask again later. ~~ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Edward Cherlin Earth Treasury: End Poverty at a Profit http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ The best way to predict the future is to invent it.--Alan Kay ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
