Re: New update.1 build 669
Dennis Gilmore wrote: On Saturday 29 December 2007, Bernardo Innocenti wrote: What happened? We applied F-7 updates as per http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5650 That's good, but aren't we doing the same in joyride too? -- \___/ |___| Bernardo Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \___\ One Laptop Per Child - http://www.laptop.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Tools for creating svg icons
I am working in 'sugarizing' some activities, Avtivities take an svg icon. I tried creating a 50 x 50 icon with Inkscape but it has color (samples do not) and does not blink properly - any suggestions for tools or settings -- Steven M. Lewis PhD 4221 105th Ave NE Kirkland, WA 98033 425-889-2694 206-384-1340 (cell) Skype lordjoe_com AIM LordJoe2000 ICQ 127138272 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (permanent) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Terminating activities
I have created a Sugar activity to launch a process (a java app). I after I spawn the task I want to cleanly terminate the activity. Also is there any way tp set the icon for an already running activity? -- Steven M. Lewis PhD 4221 105th Ave NE Kirkland, WA 98033 425-889-2694 206-384-1340 (cell) Skype lordjoe_com AIM LordJoe2000 ICQ 127138272 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (permanent) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: TurtleArt Mandelbrot
Samuel Klein wrote: Ben, that's neat. Speaking of fractals: Bernie has been working on sugarizing Gnu Xaos, and we were just tweaking an icon. It has a lovely tutorial about what fractals are that could serve as a model for other tutorials. The port somewhat preliminary, but I still think it's pretty cool: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XaoS The XaoS bundle is just 441K including dozens of examples and tutorials in several languages :-) If I have time, I'd like to port more old skool apps to the laptop. They are blazingly fast on our hardware and they rarely drag in external dependencies. -- \___/ |___| Bernardo Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \___\ One Laptop Per Child - http://www.laptop.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Tools for creating svg icons
Steve Lewis wrote: I am working in 'sugarizing' some activities, Avtivities take an svg icon. I tried creating a 50 x 50 icon with Inkscape but it has color (samples do not) and does not blink properly - any suggestions for tools or settings After you save the svg, you need to set two entities and use them as stroke and fill values, as explained here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar_Icon_Format -- \___/ |___| Bernardo Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \___\ One Laptop Per Child - http://www.laptop.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: OLPC News 2007-12-30
On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 12:05 -1000, Mitch Bradley wrote: I meant the OLPC kernel. I presume that OLPC changes will be offered to mainline in some batch fashion, rather than piecemeal. This particular one is of no upstream value in isolation, as it is utterly dependent on OLPC-specific EC commands. As a general rule, that is totally incorrect. Changes should be pushed towards upstream _before_ they're ever committed to our tree, and any change which has been made only in the OLPC tree and not pushed upstream should be considered volatile and likely to disappear... like the private wireless ioctls I removed last week because they weren't upstream for example¹. However, you're right about this patch not going upstream -- I thought I'd already told you that the naïve patch to cs5536_warm_reset() as shown in ticket #4397 was not acceptable. It doesn't live in that function, and even if it did, it shouldn't be happening unconditionally based on CONFIG_OLPC. -- dwmw2 ¹ I have actually put them back now, temporarily. But they will be going away again. Nothing is stable until it's upstream. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
iwpriv (Was: OLPC News 2007-12-30)
David Woodhouse wrote: As a general rule, that is totally incorrect. Changes should be pushed towards upstream _before_ they're ever committed to our tree, and any change which has been made only in the OLPC tree and not pushed upstream should be considered volatile and likely to disappear... like the private wireless ioctls I removed last week because they weren't upstream for example¹. ¹ I have actually put them back now, temporarily. But they will be going away again. Nothing is stable until it's upstream. btw, we still have code in /etc/init.d/olpc-configure that tries to use one of those private ioctls to remap the leds, and outputs errors if they're missing. Is this still needed? However, you're right about this patch not going upstream -- I thought I'd already told you that the naïve patch to cs5536_warm_reset() as shown in ticket #4397 was not acceptable. It doesn't live in that function, and even if it did, it shouldn't be happening unconditionally based on CONFIG_OLPC. An interesting goal would be cleaning up CONFIG_OLPC so that it could be enabled in stock kernels of standard Linux distros. -- \___/ |___| Bernardo Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \___\ One Laptop Per Child - http://www.laptop.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Tools for creating svg icons
On Dec 31, 2007 7:32 AM, Steve Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am working in 'sugarizing' some activities, Avtivities take an svg icon. I tried creating a 50 x 50 icon with Inkscape but it has color (samples do not) and does not blink properly - any suggestions for tools or settings Don't forget to refer to the HIG[0] for the standards on icons. Cheers! [0] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Human_Interface_Guidelines/The_Sugar_Interface/Icons -- Justin Gallardo ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Tricks to getting Java Frames working on the OLPC
The following code allows Java JFrames to work properly on the OLPC -
it assumes - only one active frame and that the frame is full screen.
You can add it to common applications = the active sections work only on
the OLPC
The trick is to use showFrame and hideFrame instead of setVisible -
these cause the frame to become the graphic environments full screen
window -
With this I have menus forking. I have patched JEdit to use this and
have that application fully functional
on the OLPC - I also have a first cut at a Sugar jedit launcher -
Write me for code - I will look for a good place to post this
// OLPC Patch Slewis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
/**
* true of the code is running on OLPC
*
* @return as above
*/
public static boolean isOLPC() {
String s = System.getProperty(os.name);
if (!s.equalsIgnoreCase(Linux))
return false;
s = System.getProperty(os.arch);
if (!s.equalsIgnoreCase(i386))
return false;
s = System.getProperty(os.version);
if (!s.contains(.olpc.))
return false;
return true;
}
/**
* a simgle active frame
*/
private static JFrame gActiveFrame;
/**
* retrieve the current active frame
* @return possibly null active frame
*/
protected static JFrame getActiveFrame() {
return gActiveFrame;
}
/**
* set the active frame in effect setting is visible
* @param pActiveFrame possibly null frame - null hides
* @throws IllegalStateException if there is an active frame
different from the argument
*/
protected static void setActiveFrame(JFrame pActiveFrame) throws
IllegalStateException
{
if(gActiveFrame != null) {
if(gActiveFrame == pActiveFrame)
return; // nothing to do
if(pActiveFrame != null) {
throw new IllegalStateException(Only one active frame
allowed);
}
else {
if(gActiveFrame != null)
gActiveFrame.setVisible(false); // is this needed???
}
}
GraphicsEnvironment env = GraphicsEnvironment.
getLocalGraphicsEnvironment();
GraphicsDevice[] devices = env.getScreenDevices();
// REMIND : Multi-monitor full-screen mode not yet supported
GraphicsDevice dev = devices[0];
boolean isFullScreen = dev.isFullScreenSupported(); // always
true on OLPC
dev.setFullScreenWindow(pActiveFrame);
if(pActiveFrame != null)
pActiveFrame.setVisible(true); // is this needed???
gActiveFrame = pActiveFrame;
}
/**
* Use this code instead of frame.setVisible(true)
*
* @param frame non-null frame
*/
public static void showFrame(JFrame frame) {
// OLPC Patch
if (isOLPC()) {
setActiveFrame(frame);
} else {
frame.setVisible(true);
}
}
/**
* Use this code instead of frame.setVisible(false)
*
* @param frame non-null frame
*/
public static void hideFrame(JFrame frame) {
// OLPC Patch
if (isOLPC()) {
if(getActiveFrame() == frame)
setActiveFrame(null);
} else {
frame.setVisible(false);
}
}
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3. One-line description : Customized launcher and environment for
running a hosted Inferno instance.
4. Longer description : Inferno is a virtual-machine based
distributed operating system environment originally developed at Bell
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: Adding Inferno to OLPC will create yet
another environment for development and exploration as well as a
number
: of new applications. Inferno can be run
today from the shell, but the goal of this project is to optimize
Inferno for
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Re: iwpriv (Was: OLPC News 2007-12-30)
On Mon, 2007-12-31 at 12:56 -0500, Bernardo Innocenti wrote: btw, we still have code in /etc/init.d/olpc-configure that tries to use one of those private ioctls to remap the leds, and outputs errors if they're missing. Is this still needed? Yes, I think so. And I think it probably even justifies a private ioctl. So it'll get proper consideration and it'll get sent upstream. Not just dumped into our kernel and forgotten. However, you're right about this patch not going upstream -- I thought I'd already told you that the naïve patch to cs5536_warm_reset() as shown in ticket #4397 was not acceptable. It doesn't live in that function, and even if it did, it shouldn't be happening unconditionally based on CONFIG_OLPC. An interesting goal would be cleaning up CONFIG_OLPC so that it could be enabled in stock kernels of standard Linux distros. I actually see that as a prerequisite for getting the thing upstream. And the first step along that path is to stop making it worse. -- dwmw2 ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Killing activities
I am finding myself in a situation where I start an activity that fails to start - this happens alot becaise I am writing my own activities - short of restarting sugar is there any way to kill a stuck activity - one which says it is starting and never gets the Stop/Resume menu? -- Steven M. Lewis PhD 4221 105th Ave NE Kirkland, WA 98033 425-889-2694 206-384-1340 (cell) Skype lordjoe_com AIM LordJoe2000 ICQ 127138272 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (permanent) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Tricks to getting Java Frames working on the OLPC
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007, Steve Lewis wrote: The following code allows Java JFrames to work properly on the OLPC - it assumes - only one active frame and that the frame is full screen. You can add it to common applications = the active sections work only on the OLPC The trick is to use showFrame and hideFrame instead of setVisible - these cause the frame to become the graphic environments full screen window - Sweet (*) - one JVM per child! If you're looking for where to post this, a good start would be a page on the OLPC wiki at http://wiki.laptop.org/ -- Asheesh. *. That is, if Java gets you excited in a positive way. -- This wasn't just plain terrible, this was fancy terrible. This was terrible with raisins in it. -- Dorothy Parker ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Cerebro: Scalable presence information
Announcing Cerebro - http://cerebro.mit.edu Cerebro is a scalable, light-weight protocol that allows 802.11b/g devices to form a mesh network. Cerebro has the following advantages: - It provides presence information about 100 nodes using only a single frame per 10 seconds, per node. - It runs on _any_ 802.11b/g device (tested on XO, Ubuntu, Nokia N800) - It can (but not yet) provide routing information within the mesh network that is formed by regular wifi devices. Demo: http://lyme.media.mit.edu:8000/ The simulation running here shows 50 simulated nodes and a real one (shown in the center of the screen). The nodes within the same group are all in range with each other, but each group is not in range with other groups. As a result, nodes within the same group are placed close together, whereas different groups are placed as far apart as possible. All nodes have information about presence and distance for every other node. There are 50 nodes simulated in 8 groups of 5 nodes and 1 group of 10 nodes. Although the presence algorithm scales quite well, the visualization does not scale as well (yet :-). Therefore, only the first 20 nodes are displayed properly, while the rest are simply put in the list on the right. A sugarized version of the UI will follow soon! Enjoy! Pol -- Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos Graduate student Viral Communications MIT Media Lab Tel: +1 (617) 459-6058 http://www.mit.edu/~ypod/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Updated API documentation for everything.
C. Scott Ananian wrote: The subject line of my previous message should have been 'updated API documentation', not 'updates API documentation', sigh. --scott Scott, Is this going to be a more or less permanent location? I am setting my link on my PlayGo activity page to the http://dev.laptop.org/~cscott/joyride-1477-api/sugar.activity-module.html. Do you plan to move this into the wiki? -Gerard ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Question about School Server and student tracking
This is really a question to the activity developers/learning experience folks, not server devel... On Dec 29, 2007, at 10:01 AM, Bryan Berry wrote: Question for those working on the school server In Nepal we are looking at how to track students' academic progress as they workthrough our Squeak-based activities. I believe that Moodle has a gradebook feature but I am not sure how we could integrate that w/ Squeak. For the foreseeable future, learning activities for OLPC will probably be developed using a number of different toolsets such as Squeak, Flash, Pygames,etc. I am curious how we can track students' progress across different learning activities implemented in different languages. We want to track just a few things such as whether the student completed a given activity, how long they spent on it, and how they did on the activity such as unsatisfactory, satisfactory, excellent, and perfect. This information would help our developers measure how much progress kids make on our activities. For example, after X number of tries they get to the top level or after X tries they stay at the same level. If this is for the developers, anonymous information is acceptable. If it is used to track individual student's progress, it raises larger issues. Does anyone know if there a way to log a student's progress to Moodle through a web service call from w/in a Squeak, Python, or Flash-based activity? Is there a way to do this w/ the competing platform, Sakai? I have looked at Sakai only briefly and it seems that they have a more web-services oriented architecture than Moodle. Does anyone out in OLPC-Open-land have personal experience w/ Sakai? http://www.sakaiproject.org/media2/2006/overview/overview.htm I am sure we could build our own web service from scratch but I would much rather piggyback off of an established open-source community than start something ourselves. There is not currently an OLPC recommended method for doing this. Related to this, has the school server team settled on using Moodle for the School server? Nothing has been settled. Open source is required. We've been concentrating our limited resources on basic operation, but should have more resources becoming available in January. I will be in Boston for much of January and hope to meet w/ the members of the server team based there. Please let me know exactly what dates, so we can schedule something... John ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: New Project: inferno-olpc
Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: 1. Project name : inferno-olpc Great project. Looking forward to see it in action! -- \___/ |___| Bernardo Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \___\ One Laptop Per Child - http://www.laptop.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [sugar] OLPC emulation
Matt Price wrote: i would definitely advise against trying to use the standard emulation images, as they take some work to get running. I'm interested in helping fix such problems. Please, file bugs for major problems you've experienced and assign them to me. Even better, submit patches. I'll try to allocate a small portion of my time on making our emulation experience better. -- \___/ |___| Bernardo Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \___\ One Laptop Per Child - http://www.laptop.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
qemu and the file system and development
I have gotten sugar running under windows with QEMU - no I have lots of questions 1) If I make changes in the emulated system are those changes remembered between runs? 2) Can I have the emulator point at a part of the windows file system - allowing my tools to work on data to be used by the system 3) How do I move changes I made on the XO to the emultator 4) How can I move changes I make in the emulator to the XO Is there a way to hook an external ide to the image running in QEMU -- Steven M. Lewis PhD 4221 105th Ave NE Kirkland, WA 98033 425-889-2694 206-384-1340 (cell) Skype lordjoe_com AIM LordJoe2000 ICQ 127138272 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (permanent) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Killing activities
On Dec 31, 2007, at 1:11 PM, Steve Lewis wrote: I am finding myself in a situation where I start an activity that fails to start - this happens alot becaise I am writing my own activities - short of restarting sugar is there any way to kill a stuck activity - one which says it is starting and never gets the Stop/ Resume menu? In the development versions, activities that fail to start after some amount of time should be reaped automatically by Sugar: http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=sugar;a=commitdiff;h=b876648bd616fa57b0e3c8050af46bb1c6268e75 Unless your actual processes are getting stuck (in which case you can sigkill them), there's nothing particularly bad about the pulsating icon being stuck; it's just a visual annoyance. You could crank the activity failed reaping timeout down significantly in your Sugar checkout while doing development. Please note Reply-To. Cheers, -- Ivan Krstić [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://radian.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Tricks to getting Java Frames working on the OLPC
Its good you found an hack... but this is definitely a hack. As it
stands Java wouldn't pass verification on the OLPC and thus cannot be
said to be working yet.
Does this throw some light on what might be wrong at the matchbook level?
JK
On Dec 31, 2007 1:00 PM, Steve Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The following code allows Java JFrames to work properly on the OLPC -
it assumes - only one active frame and that the frame is full screen.
You can add it to common applications = the active sections work only on
the OLPC
The trick is to use showFrame and hideFrame instead of setVisible -
these cause the frame to become the graphic environments full screen
window -
With this I have menus forking. I have patched JEdit to use this and
have that application fully functional
on the OLPC - I also have a first cut at a Sugar jedit launcher -
Write me for code - I will look for a good place to post this
// OLPC Patch Slewis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
/**
* true of the code is running on OLPC
*
* @return as above
*/
public static boolean isOLPC() {
String s = System.getProperty(os.name);
if (!s.equalsIgnoreCase(Linux))
return false;
s = System.getProperty(os.arch);
if (!s.equalsIgnoreCase(i386))
return false;
s = System.getProperty(os.version);
if (!s.contains(.olpc.))
return false;
return true;
}
/**
* a simgle active frame
*/
private static JFrame gActiveFrame;
/**
* retrieve the current active frame
* @return possibly null active frame
*/
protected static JFrame getActiveFrame() {
return gActiveFrame;
}
/**
* set the active frame in effect setting is visible
* @param pActiveFrame possibly null frame - null hides
* @throws IllegalStateException if there is an active frame
different from the argument
*/
protected static void setActiveFrame(JFrame pActiveFrame) throws
IllegalStateException
{
if(gActiveFrame != null) {
if(gActiveFrame == pActiveFrame)
return; // nothing to do
if(pActiveFrame != null) {
throw new IllegalStateException(Only one active frame
allowed);
}
else {
if(gActiveFrame != null)
gActiveFrame.setVisible(false); // is this needed???
}
}
GraphicsEnvironment env = GraphicsEnvironment.
getLocalGraphicsEnvironment();
GraphicsDevice[] devices = env.getScreenDevices();
// REMIND : Multi-monitor full-screen mode not yet supported
GraphicsDevice dev = devices[0];
boolean isFullScreen = dev.isFullScreenSupported(); // always
true on OLPC
dev.setFullScreenWindow(pActiveFrame);
if(pActiveFrame != null)
pActiveFrame.setVisible(true); // is this needed???
gActiveFrame = pActiveFrame;
}
/**
* Use this code instead of frame.setVisible(true)
*
* @param frame non-null frame
*/
public static void showFrame(JFrame frame) {
// OLPC Patch
if (isOLPC()) {
setActiveFrame(frame);
} else {
frame.setVisible(true);
}
}
/**
* Use this code instead of frame.setVisible(false)
*
* @param frame non-null frame
*/
public static void hideFrame(JFrame frame) {
// OLPC Patch
if (isOLPC()) {
if(getActiveFrame() == frame)
setActiveFrame(null);
} else {
frame.setVisible(false);
}
}
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Re: Java question
Beginner's luck, I guess. Try running javaws http://www.horstmann.com/violet/violet.jnlp to see what I mean. I ran jEdit, and indeed it works ok. I didn't have to do anything with Ctrl-n or Ctrl-p. The menus and dialogs all came up, just at weird places. Speed is acceptable, both on the device and with ssh -X. So...it seems to me that there would be a huge benefit of getting Java to work properly on the device. Cay Jeffrey Kesselman wrote: Wow. well congratulations. You take the prize for the *most* broken Java apps. I got JEdit and HeroDesigner both up and working fine except for the need to ctl-n/ctl-p between windows and the bad layout and menus. JK On Dec 29, 2007 3:36 PM, Cay Horstmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. Ctrl-n navigates to the completely white window. Once in there, neither Ctrl-n nor Ctrl-p do anything. Jeffrey Kesselman wrote: On Dec 29, 2007 3:04 PM, Cay Horstmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is much worse than that for the two apps that I tried. In the WebStart app, there was a giant gray window containing only the Java Application banner. In the other app, there was an empty white window. Did you try ctl-n/ctl-p ?? -- Cay S. Horstmann | http://horstmann.com | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Cay S. Horstmann | http://horstmann.com | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
