Re: New joyride build 1591

2008-01-25 Thread david
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008, Chas. Owens wrote: > On Jan 26, 2008 12:47 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008, Chas. Owens wrote: >> >>> On Jan 26, 2008 12:38 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, Build Announcer v2 wrote: > http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott

Re: New joyride build 1591

2008-01-25 Thread Chas. Owens
On Jan 26, 2008 12:47 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sat, 26 Jan 2008, Chas. Owens wrote: > > > On Jan 26, 2008 12:38 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, Build Announcer v2 wrote: > >> > >>> http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1591 > >>> > >>> Ch

Re: New joyride build 1591

2008-01-25 Thread david
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008, Chas. Owens wrote: > On Jan 26, 2008 12:38 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, Build Announcer v2 wrote: >> >>> http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1591 >>> >>> Changes in build 1591 from build: 1590 >> >> this build appears to break

Re: New joyride build 1591

2008-01-25 Thread Chas. Owens
On Jan 26, 2008 12:38 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, Build Announcer v2 wrote: > > > http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1591 > > > > Changes in build 1591 from build: 1590 > > this build appears to break WEP (I upgraded from build 689) > > the firmwar

Re: New joyride build 1591

2008-01-25 Thread david
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, Build Announcer v2 wrote: > http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1591 > > Changes in build 1591 from build: 1590 this build appears to break WEP (I upgraded from build 689) the firmware does seem to fix the blinking backling in the console David Lang _

Re: XO as standalone dev system (was: Re: compiler / glibc optimization)

2008-01-25 Thread Bennett Todd
2008-01-26T04:58:47 C. Scott Ananian: > 2008/1/25 Bennett Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Does bootanim pull it's 60MB size freight? That's the only thing > > that struck my eye in a review of rpms by size. > > Our filesystem is compressed. You are looking at uncompressed size. > The data in questi

New update.1 build 690

2008-01-25 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://pilgrim.laptop.org/~pilgrim/olpc/streams/update.1/build690 Changes in build 690 from build: 689 Size delta: 0M -ohm 0.1.1-6.4.20080119git.fc7 +ohm 0.1.1-6.6.20080119git.fc7 -bootfw q2d08a-1.olpc2 +bootfw q2d10-1.olpc2.unsigned --- Changes for ohm 0.1.1-6.6.20080119git.fc7 from 0.1.1-6.4.

Re: XO as standalone dev system (was: Re: compiler / glibc optimization)

2008-01-25 Thread C. Scott Ananian
2008/1/25 Bennett Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Does bootanim pull it's 60MB size freight? That's the only thing > that struck my eye in a review of rpms by size. Our filesystem is compressed. You are looking at uncompressed size. The data in question is extremely compressible. Otherwise -- have f

Re: compiler / glibc optimization

2008-01-25 Thread Jeffrey Kesselman
On Jan 25, 2008 8:11 PM, Albert Cahalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Really, the XO is fully capable of being a primary development > workstation. This won't work for long without dogfooding. Oh.. you mean like a TIVO... or your router or any number of other Linux based systems you have in

Re: XO as standalone dev system

2008-01-25 Thread Bennett Todd
2008-01-26T02:13:38 Chris Ball: > > I've gotta stand with the view that a gizmo with 256MB RAM, 1GB > > "disk", and a 430MHz x86 is adequate for full system dev. > > Everything is possible, just very slowly. If the system isn't thrashing, you can do other things to entertain yourself while a slow

Re: XO as standalone dev system

2008-01-25 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, > I've gotta stand with the view that a gizmo with 256MB RAM, 1GB > "disk", and a 430MHz x86 is adequate for full system dev. Everything is possible, just very slowly. > Does bootanim pull it's 60MB size freight? That's the only thing > that struck my eye in a review of rpms by s

XO as standalone dev system (was: Re: compiler / glibc optimization)

2008-01-25 Thread Bennett Todd
I've gotta stand with the view that a gizmo with 256MB RAM, 1GB "disk", and a 430MHz x86 is adequate for full system dev. I think I'm willing to concede that the same gizmo doesn't necessarily have to be tuned for kernel recompiles and system lib rebuilding, and for first explorations by young kid

Re: compiler / glibc optimization

2008-01-25 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, > Really, the XO is fully capable of being a primary development > workstation. This won't work for long without dogfooding. Remember > that the kids will have nothing else. This is it for them. They > can't build on a Mac with a pair of quad-core Core 2 Xeons and 4 GB > of RA

Re: compiler / glibc optimization

2008-01-25 Thread Albert Cahalan
On Jan 25, 2008 4:29 AM, Wade Brainerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> People with the hardware should develop exclusively on the hardware. > > This made me smile at the thought of the "OLPC Project grinds to > a sudden halt, no commits in weeks" headline. You think? If so, there is something wrong

Re: power management experiences with joyride-1572

2008-01-25 Thread Richard A. Smith
Chris Ball wrote: >>> Can I wake up 10 seconds from now? Is there a timer in any of the >>> hardware that is left running? > >> Yes, but the software does not support this yet. See bug #4606: >> http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/4606 > > We don't *use* the southbridge RTC wakeup, bu

New joyride build 1591

2008-01-25 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1591 Changes in build 1591 from build: 1590 Size delta: 1M -sugar-evince-python 2.20.1.1-1.olpc2 +sugar-evince-python 2.20.1.1-2.olpc2 -bootfw q2d09-3.olpc2.unsigned +bootfw q2d10-1.olpc2.unsigned +desktop-file-utils 0.12-4.fc7 +djvulibr

Q2D10 Released

2008-01-25 Thread Richard A. Smith
Update.1 candidate firmware Q2D10 has been released and should show up in the next joyride. Changelog here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Firmware_q2d10 -- Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> One Laptop Per Child ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.lap

'OLPC-Health' takes off !!

2008-01-25 Thread Arjun Sarwal
Hi all, There has been a lot of interest from various groups to develop/explore medical applications around the XO laptop. While a number of people/groups have already undertaken efforts in a number of areas, there are also many more people interested in volunteering and helping out. While people

New joyride build 1590

2008-01-25 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1590 Changes in build 1590 from build: 1586 Size delta: 1M -Journal 83 +Journal 85 --- Changes for Journal 85 from 83 --- + #6190 Don't crash when an activity has its icon missing. + #6029 Don't fail when the mount point is already

Re: multilingual googletalk

2008-01-25 Thread Joshua Minor
This is awesome. Coincidentally, I just spent a few hours last night experimenting with adding machine translation to Speak via Moses ( http://www.statmt.org/moses/ ) but I was frustrated by the size of the phrase tables. Having a service on the network for translation would be an excelle

multilingual googletalk

2008-01-25 Thread Todd Kelsey
Hi - you may already know about this but evidently as of mid december you can now invite chat bots into googletalk, in order to have instant messaging conversations with people in different languages. (widget version also supports group chat). --- http://www.worldwidelexico

Re: Joyride--->Update.1 transition

2008-01-25 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, > Something I'm curious about (for a set of slides I'm working on) is > how stuff transitions from Joyride to Update.1 builds--both the > mechanics (how the bits get copied), and the procedural and > decision processes involved. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Update.1_process describes

Joyride--->Update.1 transition

2008-01-25 Thread Marcus Leech
Something I'm curious about (for a set of slides I'm working on) is how stuff transitions from Joyride to Update.1 builds--both the mechanics (how the bits get copied), and the procedural and decision processes involved. Cheers Marcus ___ Devel mai

Re: Peak IT, Dantel Announces Railroad Deployment

2008-01-25 Thread Ivan Krstić
On Jan 25, 2008, at 3:27 PM, william romsay wrote: > "Dantel has been providing the railroads with innovative remote > monitoring solutions for over 30 years," We at OLPC take security very seriously. For those of you wondering, innovative remote railroad monitoring and surveillance solutions

Re: OLPC promotes terrorism

2008-01-25 Thread Jeffrey Kesselman
Not only do we have a moderator, we have a good one. Which is why it may seem like we don't have one sometimes. To bastardize a quote.. "He moderates best who moderates least." JK On Jan 25, 2008 5:09 AM, Ivan Krstić <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 25, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Bernardo Innocenti

Peak IT, Dantel Announces Rail road Deployment of its Third Ge neration WebMon™ Edge and Matri x Remote Surveillance Platforms

2008-01-25 Thread william romsay
Peak IT, Dantel Announces Railroad Deployment of its Third Generation WebMon™ Edge and Matrix Remote Surveillance Platforms (PRWeb) December 19, 2006 -- Dantel, Inc. the leader in network surveillance and management systems, announced today that its WebMon Edge and WebMon Matrix were selected fo

Re: compiler / glibc optimization

2008-01-25 Thread Bernardo Innocenti
Rob Savoye wrote: >> (http://wiki.gnashdev.org/wiki/index.php/Building_OLPC_Tools) >> Is the geode-patched gcc4.2.1 preferrable for integration with the XO? > > I think Bernie added this to the gcc builds for the XO. I think he > also added the patched glibc as well. As I use my own toolchains,

Re: compiler / glibc optimization

2008-01-25 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008, Wade Brainerd wrote: > If the child is ready to recompile the kernel, they can probably score a > shell account on a better machine. As someone who learnt about kernel hacking on spare 386 class hardware when Pentium class hardware was about, because thats "what I had at the

Re: OLPC promotes terrorism

2008-01-25 Thread Ivan Krstić
On Jan 25, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Bernardo Innocenti wrote: > And, no, we do not have (or need) a moderator in this list, > People are free to spend their time by discussing the sex > of angels and the color of water as much as they like. Should you try discussing either, you might learn you're incorr

New joyride build 1586

2008-01-25 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1586 Changes in build 1586 from build: 1583 Size delta: 0M -olpcupdate 2.1-0 +olpcupdate 2.2-0 +xorg-x11-drv-vmware 10.15.2-2.olpc2 -sugar-base 0.2.1-1 +sugar-base 0.2.2-1.olpc2 --- Included xorg-x11-drv-vmware version 10.15.2-2.olpc2 -

Re: OLPC promotes terrorism

2008-01-25 Thread Bernardo Innocenti
Justin Gallardo wrote: > Really, I don't understand why this is being discussed here. The > author of the post is obviously not reading this. This is the perfect > definition of 'preaching to the choir'. Please don't bog down the > devel list with this stuff anymore. There is a much better place fo

Re: compiler / glibc optimization

2008-01-25 Thread Wade Brainerd
> People with the hardware should develop exclusively on the hardware. > This made me smile at the thought of the "OLPC Project grinds to a sudden halt, no commits in weeks" headline. If the child is ready to recompile the kernel, they can probably score a shell account on a better machine. -Wad

Re: compiler / glibc optimization

2008-01-25 Thread Albert Cahalan
Rob Savoye writes: > Vasilis Liaskovitis wrote: > >> 1) I haven't found a default gcc in my xo system - if there is one, >> where is it installed ? > > "yum install gcc" works. You quickly run out of room for the > development packages you need, Well, you do. Partly this is because your project mu