(Announcement) OLPC-Health mailing list

[Arjun Sarwal]

Announcing the setup of a separate mailing list for the OLPC Health
project. Please join the mailing list by going to
http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/Health

* About the OLPC Health project
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Health
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Health/Vision
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Health/People

* About the mailing list (from the Mailing list main page)
"Mailing list for discussions on the OLPC Health project. See
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Health for more details on the various
existing projects, project proposals, volunteers, coordinators and
Advisers."


*Conference call coming up this Sunday, March16th, 1pm EST**
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Health_meetings#March_16th.2C_2008
Please see agenda and modify if required!

Agenda (first pass)-
*  New participants in the project -- please welcome Nand, Tom
Boonsori, Adesina
* Walter Humberto joins us as an adviser. About Walter, see
http://faculty.washington.edu/wcurioso/
* Updates from Anna, Mika, Benjamin, Jennifer, Chris Leonard, Lia,
Drew...(anyone else, please add )
* Is this a good time to start actively recruiting volunteers for
health projects ?
* Health Jam!
* We need some sort of weekly boot-camp in which we can welcome
new participants and help them get integrated into the workflow of
Health projects
* Peru deployment -- What can we immediately deliver for the Peru
deployment and how can we collaborate?
* Volunteers needed for meeting minutes and meeting co-ordination
and organization!


Thanks
Arjun
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Update.1 build status

[Dennis Gilmore]

There will not be a new build tonight.  I need to know what sugar build we 
need pulled in.   We need to have at least a patch applied for 
http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6671 and  http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5933 

I would be really nice to also have http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6405 and 
http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6170 fixed 

and we should really consider http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6299 

I also need to know exactly what activities we will be putting in the build.  

I have put going to go to get my Visa off until Monday the 17th  so that we 
can get a build done in the morning.

Dennis


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Re: OLPC seeks a CEO -- who was your favorite CEO elsewhere?

[M. Edward (Ed) Borasky]

John Gilmore wrote:
>   ==>  Who's the best manager or CEO you ever worked for?

Hands down, C. Norman (Norm) Winningstad!

[snip]

> OLPC has already changed the world in a small
> way, by teaching us that there's a vibrant world market for low cost,
> high function portable computers, and reminding us how much leverage
> there is in third world educational improvement.  OLPC still has a
> chance to change the world in a big way, by satisfying that market,
> rather than leaving it to commercial companies to half-assedly pick up
> the pieces.

One *big* challenge OLPC faces is that those commercial companies aren't 
half-assed at all -- they are *directly* competing with OLPC by all 
legal means!

> Steering OLPC back on to the rails before it crashes and
> burns will be a job your favorite CEO or manager will never forget.

I'm not sure your presuppositions are accurate here. First of all, I 
don't think OLPC is "off the rails" or headed towards a "crash and burn" 
fate. Second, there are very real constraints OLPC has accepted:

1. Non-profit status
2. Open-source licensing
3. Depending on volunteer software engineering.

Finally, I don't think your problem is going to be finding *applicants*. 
Your problem is going to be finding the *right* applicant.

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Re: [OLPC library] A proposal to give some DICTIONARY pre-installed on the XOs that will be delivered to Peruvian Kids

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Hello Dr. Kalyanaram

>I had earlier given a free licence to use, and submitted my Indian 
Lexicon (for 25 languages) for inclusion in OLPC.


When you say "Indian lexicon"... it means a "25 international languages 
lexicon build in India" or "25 Indian languages" ??? (In Peru we have 
Quechua (around 4 to 6 varieties), Aymara (I don't know if it is a 
unique version, and the "Instituto de Verano" (NGO) described more than 
40 other languages in the peruvian jungle).


>A general consensus may have to be arrived at on the availability of 
basic lexical/language resources at various levels, from primary to 
secondary school levels.


Our goverment (peruvian goverment) says that this project is for primary 
schools (6 to 12 years old aproximately).   I don't think that we must 
ask the children to return his/her dear XO once he get 12 years old... 
we, old grown adults, use many kinds of devices that are small: 
cellullars & palmtops are very common and we check mail, and send short 
messages... if we "open the window"... why we need to close it when the 
kid reachs 12 years old? (that "window" reference is without any 2nd 
implication! (smile) ).


>Every prospective OLPC user is a child and will not be restricted to 
children alone, particularly in, for example, the rural areas of India 
with one billion population with a large percentage of illiteracy.


uhmmm... that was I thought when I realize there will be 250,000 XOs in 
Peru in the next year (40,000 are here in this moment).  All of these 
machines can CHANGE the whole world because they are the TOOLS to 
communicate with the world.  One of the big problems that will arise in 
2 or 3 years is when these machines will be used to develop VOIP (very 
low bandwith needed).  Communication tools they are! then they will be 
used as COMMUNICATION tools without any restriction. 

Learning tool: in some areas of Peru more than 70% of the women are not 
able to read, that's what official statistics show.  From my personal 
experience I can say that it is not rare in the isolated towns and 
villages that the women are not able to speak spanish (only the men), 
and they have not personal identification document (no I.D they 
don't exist for the occidental society.. but they pay taxes: every soft 
drink, every beer (thats the kind of occidental culture that we carry to 
those towns) has its government tax included (VAT)).


My conclusion: XOs are not for children only.  They will be 
revolutionary tool for this generation.  It should be.


Regards,

Javier Rodriguez
Lima, Peru


kalyan97 wrote:
Sorry for digressing on the subject of Dictionaries on OLPC and taking 
the issue beyond Peru. I had earlier given a free licence to use, 
and submitted my Indian Lexicon (for 25 languages) for inclusion in 
OLPC. A general consensus may have to be arrived at on the 
availability of basic lexical/language resources at various levels, 
from primary to secondary school levels. Every prospective OLPC user 
is a child and will not be restricted to children alone, particularly 
in, for example, the rural areas of India with one billion population 
with a large percentage of illiteracy. Best regards, Dr. S. kalyanaraman


On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 5:02 AM, Samuel Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


2008/3/11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] >:

>  I agree: some "dynamic" database will be better than a "static"
database.
> It is not hard to build: just add a form and some "append/sort"
routine to
> the main database.  Easy to say! (smile)... the "upgrade/add
words" option
> can not be done in plain javascript  (it goes against the idea that
> javascript comes from the server and runs on the client machine
in a typical
> Internet connection... many security issues raise up!).  So... the
> "add/upgrade" option or form needs to feed some "php" or java or
phyton
> or... any other language that can be installed on the XO (I
don't know which
> ones are installed in this moment... which languages come
installed with the
> XO? Phyton and... what else? )

Effectively, just Python.

>  Sharing new words: how the modifications of one user can be
"shared" with
> the rest of the "group" or the rest of the "neighborhood" ?
 Possible
> answers:
>  * The school server will collect, organize and share the
"additional words
> & meanings".

To keep a record of all dictionary changes made by each individual,
you will need to do something on a machine or site with a fair bit of
memory that intends to be up for a long time.

XOs will probably want a way to merge a new dictionary with their
existing one, from the mesh, a server, or another place; it has no
reason to store lots of changes in memory.

> So we will have "english word =
> spanish word" or "english word = english

Re: Microsoft? (was Re: OLPC seeks a CEO -- who was your favorite CEO elsewhere?)

[Ivan Krstić]

On Mar 11, 2008, at 10:26 PM, victor wrote:
> I didn't know Microsoft and Windows were going to be there.  So why  
> all the
> effort if in the end a closed OS is going to be used?


There is no change in strategy. For background (and comment furor) on  
the XP situation, see:

 

This thread is already stretching propriety by taking place on the  
devel list, but I feel uncomfortable asking for it be moved to olpc- 
open since the kind of people who might have good responses to John's  
question are much more likely to be on this list than that one. That  
said, let's please keep Microsoft out of it and have replies be  
maximally focused.

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Re: Microsoft? (was Re: OLPC seeks a CEO -- who was your favorite CEO elsewhere?)

[Charles Merriam]

>
>  Um, you guys do know how to use the search function on the Wiki, don't you?
>
Please be civil.

>  Yeah, Nicholas said pretty much the first half of that months ago.
The issue is the conflicting Negroponte quotes:

Windows on XO "has not only been happening with our consent, but (also
our) collaboration. Some of the first engineering models from any
given build go to them," Negroponte said.

http://www.news.com/Negroponte-Windows-key-to-OLPC-philosophy/2100-1016_3-6215837.html


Negroponte says that a Windows operating system is in the process of
being fine-tuned on the XO as we speak. "Microsoft and OLPC are in
discussion on how to release it, as well as how to announce," he said.
Negroponte added that the Windows operating system should be available
on the XO in less than 60 days.

http://www.olpcnews.com/software/windows/xp_on_the_xo_in_60_days.html



So, who knows?

Charles
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Re: A proposal to give some DICTIONARY pre-installed on the XOs that will be delivered to Peruvian Kids

[Samuel Klein]

2008/3/11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>  I agree: some "dynamic" database will be better than a "static" database.
> It is not hard to build: just add a form and some "append/sort" routine to
> the main database.  Easy to say! (smile)... the "upgrade/add words" option
> can not be done in plain javascript  (it goes against the idea that
> javascript comes from the server and runs on the client machine in a typical
> Internet connection... many security issues raise up!).  So... the
> "add/upgrade" option or form needs to feed some "php" or java or phyton
> or... any other language that can be installed on the XO (I don't know which
> ones are installed in this moment... which languages come installed with the
> XO? Phyton and... what else? )

Effectively, just Python.

>  Sharing new words: how the modifications of one user can be "shared" with
> the rest of the "group" or the rest of the "neighborhood" ?  Possible
> answers:
>  * The school server will collect, organize and share the "additional words
> & meanings".

To keep a record of all dictionary changes made by each individual,
you will need to do something on a machine or site with a fair bit of
memory that intends to be up for a long time.

XOs will probably want a way to merge a new dictionary with their
existing one, from the mesh, a server, or another place; it has no
reason to store lots of changes in memory.

> So we will have "english word =
> spanish word" or "english word = english meaning" ... and many other
> combinations: common phrases... localisms... concepts... etc.

Also picture dictionaries, working in both directions (word to image,
or image to words in various languages).

>  Othe names different than "words" ?

Do you mean phrases?

Cheers,
SJ
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Re: Microsoft? (was Re: OLPC seeks a CEO -- who was your favorite CEO elsewhere?)

[Edward Cherlin]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Jeffrey Kesselman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Charles Merriam
>  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  >  Nothing mean, cruel, or chilling.  Just OLPC does not help and support
>  >  this effort.  MS is on their own.

Um, you guys do know how to use the search function on the Wiki, don't you?

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_myths#The_laptop_will_run_a_Microsoft_Windows_operating_system

The laptop will run a Microsoft Windows operating system

* True: Microsoft is working on a Windows based system that can be
executed on the XO laptop with substantial extra storage.

* False: There is no strategy change. The OLPC is continuing to
develop a Linux-based software set for the laptop in conjunction with
Red Hat. But since the OLPC project is open we cannot (and maybe even
don't want to) stop other people from developing and supplying
alternate software packages.

>  Maybe a bit more?  it might be good to acknwledge that it is an open
>  platform and anyone cna write anything they want to it... and then give
>  them a back handed slap.  You know, something like...
>
>  "We are gratified that Microsoft  finds the OLPC an appealing platform.
>  We would encourage them to get invovled with and support the open
>  software community effort on it rather then spending all their energy
>  in other proprietary directions."

Yeah, Nicholas said pretty much the first half of that months ago.

Anyway, Microsoft said that they have XP on an XO with 2 extra GB of
flash, but they didn't say anything about running any of Office on it
yet. No worries, mates.

Don't forget, Sugar will run on Windows. I hear that Wine 1.0 is due
out soon, and it will also run on the XO. (yum install wine), but that
doesn't mean that you will be able to stuff any particular piece of M$
bloatware in with it.
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Re: Microsoft? (was Re: OLPC seeks a CEO -- who was your favorite CEO elsewhere?)

[Jameson "Chema" Quinn]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Charles Merriam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Is there *any* suggestion that the entire "Microsoft on OLPC" story is
> anything other than:
> 1.  A small group of experimenters at Microsoft playing around in the
> slack time.
> 2.  FUD stories to downplay OLPC.
>

You forgot 3. Name dropping by lazy journalists to provide an appearance of
understanding and context.
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AddTwo hosting application; public key..

[Charles Merriam]

Add to my application for git hosting under /users/CharlesMerriam/AddTwo.

Oddly, the application asks for code, but gives no where to place it.


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Re: Raise the level of the Hardware specifications... or let's do some field tests!

[Mitch Bradley]

Bennett Todd wrote:
> 2008-03-11T15:18:57 Jameson Chema Quinn:
>   
>> Now that there are a significant number of laptops in Peru, high-altitude
>> testing may be more feasible. What test plan would you want followed in
>> order to be able to raise the specs?
>> 
>
> Surely this has to start with the folks who specified the current
> limit? Which components or subsystems aren't certified higher, what
> failure mode, what rate?
>   

Very often specifications of this ilk are not the result of knowing that 
the system will fail beyond the limits, but rather the availability of 
test equipment and methodologies.  Manufacturers are extremely 
conservative.  If a manufacturer is no accustomed to testing beyond some 
particular limit, they can be very resistant to it.

> If the failure is "after 8 months, 1% of systems in this specific
> 500-meter altitude window will start exploding at random", a test
> protocol isn't something we'll be able to invent.
>
> -Bennett
>   
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OLPC seeks a CEO -- who was your favorite CEO elsewhere?

[Gerard J. Cerchio]

John Gilmore wrote:
> http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2008/tc2008035_429837.htm 
>
>
> OLPC is looking for a CEO. 
Hey folks, John is looking for an organizer not another M$ free-for all!

Tongue in cheek, I hear Vladmir Putin just lost his job, talk about 
someone that can make order out of chaos

I wish the organization the best of luck finding the best person for 
this job!  I have never worked under a CEO that I thought was worth half 
the salt hes taking from the company.

Gerard Cerchio
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Re: Microsoft? (was Re: OLPC seeks a CEO -- who was your favorite CEO elsewhere?)

[Jeffrey Kesselman]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Charles Merriam
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Nothing mean, cruel, or chilling.  Just OLPC does not help and support
>  this effort.  MS is on their own.
>
>

Maybe a bit more?  it might be good to acknwledge that it is an open
platform and anyone cna write anything they want to it... and then give
them a back handed slap.  You know, something like...

"We are gratified that Microsoft  finds the OLPC an appealing platform.
We would encourage them to get invovled with and support the open
software community effort on it rather then spending all their energy
in other proprietary directions."
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Re: OLPC seeks a CEO -- who was your favorite CEO elsewhere?

[Jeffrey Kesselman]

Randy Kommisar

Former head of Lucas Arts (during its great period)
Former head of Cyrstal Dynamics (a ship that had to much water tkaen
on before he got there)

Last I heard he was doing venture consulting in Silicon Valley.
- Show quoted text -



On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Charles Merriam
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That would be Alan Baratz, former CEO of JavaSoft, last seen at Cisco
>  after his latest company was acquired.  Rumor has that Cisco is
>  choosing not to integrate NeoPath gracefully and Alan may be
>  available.
>
>  Anyone keep closer relationships with him?  I haven't talked to him
>  since JavaSoft.
>
>  Charles Merriam
>
>
>
>  On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 1:47 PM, John Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2008/tc2008035_429837.htm
>  >
>  >  OLPC is looking for a CEO.  Nicholas is more of an "idea man", and he
>  >  plans to continue as Chairman and cheerleader.  But he appears to have
>  >  realized that with its current management, the organization can't
>  >  outgrow its early chaos.  (For this I give him every credit; most
>  >  founders who aren't suited to manage a larger, more structured
>  >  organization resist installing a steady hand at the wheel.)
>  >
>  >  There are probably a few people on the devel list who are actually
>  >  qualified to be CEO of a nonprofit tech company like OLPC.  I
>  >  encourage them to apply (it's not clear how, which shows you how far
>  >  things have degenerated).  But I'm more interested in asking the
>  >  software developers on the list:
>  >
>  >   ==>  Who's the best manager or CEO you ever worked for?
>  >
>  >  Suggest to that person that they consider the job.
>  >
>  >  OLPC has plenty of resources, and also plenty of challenges.  We on
>  >  the outside have only seen a fraction of them (like schedules sliding
>  >  out of control; botched distribution; support handled only by the skin
>  >  of the teeth; key people dragged around to fill big holes, leaving
>  >  other big holes behind them; diminished expectations in both sales and
>  >  technical achievement).  OLPC has already changed the world in a small
>  >  way, by teaching us that there's a vibrant world market for low cost,
>  >  high function portable computers, and reminding us how much leverage
>  >  there is in third world educational improvement.  OLPC still has a
>  >  chance to change the world in a big way, by satisfying that market,
>  >  rather than leaving it to commercial companies to half-assedly pick up
>  >  the pieces.  Steering OLPC back on to the rails before it crashes and
>  >  burns will be a job your favorite CEO or manager will never forget.
>  >
>  >  Give 'em a call...
>  >
>  > John
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Re: Microsoft? (was Re: OLPC seeks a CEO -- who was your favorite CEO elsewhere?)

[Charles Merriam]

Is there *any* suggestion that the entire "Microsoft on OLPC" story is
anything other than:
1.  A small group of experimenters at Microsoft playing around in the
slack time.
2.  FUD stories to downplay OLPC.

The OLPC corporate needs to respond with a one liner that "we have no
plans to now or in the future".  The story could change, but the
current stance does need to be known.  FUD works kind of like nuisance
law-suits:  failure to say anything is an automatic loss.

Nothing mean, cruel, or chilling.  Just OLPC does not help and support
this effort.  MS is on their own.

Charles


2008/3/11 Todd Cranston-Cuebas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I'm waiting to hear about this one also. On the one hand the OLPC can't be
> shipped with the Flash plug-in but the whole project is going to go to
> Microsoft? Talk about moving between extremes. I'm not sure why a more
> balanced approach couldn't work but then again, I'm more of a supporter
> (bought unit through the G1G1 program) and advocate. I'm not a coder, etc.
> but have been really encouraged by the dramatic grassroots support for the
> unit to take up the need for support, etc. I have to say that I'm a little
> surprised that the actual shipping OS, Sugar interface, activities etc. are
> still very much a work in progress (some bugs, keys not enabled, no "reveal
> code" key, networking problems, etc.), but that's not necessarily bad as
> long as there is healthy support for refinement. It's this titanic shift
> that is catching me off-guard. Let's face it, the OLPC has been both
> enhanced by, and perhaps held back by, a hard line support of just OS and a
> strict constructivist educational approach. Then again, fervent adherence to
> a philosophy and cause has pushed the world to see what could be "possible"
> through this little green machine.
>
> Todd
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 2:26 PM, victor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > More worrying is this bit from the article in the link
> >
> > "OLPC will hand more of the development and support of its XO laptop and
> its
> > core software to technology companies, (...), and Microsoft (MSFT), which
> is
> > just now putting the finishing touches on a version of Windows for the XO
> > machine."
> >
> > I didn't know Microsoft and Windows were going to be there.  So why all
> the
> > effort if in the end a closed OS is going to be used?
> >
> > Is this true?
> >
> > Victor
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "John Gilmore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:47 PM
> > Subject: OLPC seeks a CEO -- who was your favorite CEO elsewhere?
> >
> >
> > >
> http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2008/tc2008035_429837.htm
> > >
> > > OLPC is looking for a CEO.  Nicholas is more of an "idea man", and he
> > > plans to continue as Chairman and cheerleader.  But he appears to have
> > > realized that with its current management, the organization can't
> > > outgrow its early chaos.  (For this I give him every credit; most
> > > founders who aren't suited to manage a larger, more structured
> > > organization resist installing a steady hand at the wheel.)
> > >
> > > There are probably a few people on the devel list who are actually
> > > qualified to be CEO of a nonprofit tech company like OLPC.  I
> > > encourage them to apply (it's not clear how, which shows you how far
> > > things have degenerated).  But I'm more interested in asking the
> > > software developers on the list:
> > >
> > >  ==>  Who's the best manager or CEO you ever worked for?
> > >
> > > Suggest to that person that they consider the job.
> > >
> > > OLPC has plenty of resources, and also plenty of challenges.  We on
> > > the outside have only seen a fraction of them (like schedules sliding
> > > out of control; botched distribution; support handled only by the skin
> > > of the teeth; key people dragged around to fill big holes, leaving
> > > other big holes behind them; diminished expectations in both sales and
> > > technical achievement).  OLPC has already changed the world in a small
> > > way, by teaching us that there's a vibrant world market for low cost,
> > > high function portable computers, and reminding us how much leverage
> > > there is in third world educational improvement.  OLPC still has a
> > > chance to change the world in a big way, by satisfying that market,
> > > rather than leaving it to commercial companies to half-assedly pick up
> > > the pieces.  Steering OLPC back on to the rails before it crashes and
> > > burns will be a job your favorite CEO or manager will never forget.
> > >
> > > Give 'em a call...
> > >
> > > John
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Re: Raise the level of the Hardware specifications... or let's do some field tests!

[Bennett Todd]

2008-03-11T15:18:57 Jameson Chema Quinn:
> Now that there are a significant number of laptops in Peru, high-altitude
> testing may be more feasible. What test plan would you want followed in
> order to be able to raise the specs?

Surely this has to start with the folks who specified the current
limit? Which components or subsystems aren't certified higher, what
failure mode, what rate?

If the failure is "after 8 months, 1% of systems in this specific
500-meter altitude window will start exploding at random", a test
protocol isn't something we'll be able to invent.

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Re: Microsoft? (was Re: OLPC seeks a CEO -- who was your favorite CEO elsewhere?)

[Todd Cranston-Cuebas]

I'm waiting to hear about this one also. On the one hand the OLPC can't be
shipped with the Flash plug-in but the whole project is going to go to
Microsoft? Talk about moving between extremes. I'm not sure why a more
balanced approach couldn't work but then again, I'm more of a supporter
(bought unit through the G1G1 program) and advocate. I'm not a coder, etc.
but have been really encouraged by the dramatic grassroots support for the
unit to take up the need for support, etc. I have to say that I'm a little
surprised that the actual shipping OS, Sugar interface, activities etc. are
still very much a work in progress (some bugs, keys not enabled, no "reveal
code" key, networking problems, etc.), but that's not necessarily bad as
long as there is healthy support for refinement. It's this titanic shift
that is catching me off-guard. Let's face it, the OLPC has been both
enhanced by, and perhaps held back by, a hard line support of just OS and a
strict constructivist educational approach. Then again, fervent adherence to
a philosophy and cause has pushed the world to see what could be "possible"
through this little green machine.

Todd

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 2:26 PM, victor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> More worrying is this bit from the article in the link
>
> "OLPC will hand more of the development and support of its XO laptop and
> its
> core software to technology companies, (...), and Microsoft (MSFT), which
> is
> just now putting the finishing touches on a version of Windows for the XO
> machine."
>
> I didn't know Microsoft and Windows were going to be there.  So why all
> the
> effort if in the end a closed OS is going to be used?
>
> Is this true?
>
> Victor
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "John Gilmore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:47 PM
> Subject: OLPC seeks a CEO -- who was your favorite CEO elsewhere?
>
>
> >
> http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2008/tc2008035_429837.htm
> >
> > OLPC is looking for a CEO.  Nicholas is more of an "idea man", and he
> > plans to continue as Chairman and cheerleader.  But he appears to have
> > realized that with its current management, the organization can't
> > outgrow its early chaos.  (For this I give him every credit; most
> > founders who aren't suited to manage a larger, more structured
> > organization resist installing a steady hand at the wheel.)
> >
> > There are probably a few people on the devel list who are actually
> > qualified to be CEO of a nonprofit tech company like OLPC.  I
> > encourage them to apply (it's not clear how, which shows you how far
> > things have degenerated).  But I'm more interested in asking the
> > software developers on the list:
> >
> >  ==>  Who's the best manager or CEO you ever worked for?
> >
> > Suggest to that person that they consider the job.
> >
> > OLPC has plenty of resources, and also plenty of challenges.  We on
> > the outside have only seen a fraction of them (like schedules sliding
> > out of control; botched distribution; support handled only by the skin
> > of the teeth; key people dragged around to fill big holes, leaving
> > other big holes behind them; diminished expectations in both sales and
> > technical achievement).  OLPC has already changed the world in a small
> > way, by teaching us that there's a vibrant world market for low cost,
> > high function portable computers, and reminding us how much leverage
> > there is in third world educational improvement.  OLPC still has a
> > chance to change the world in a big way, by satisfying that market,
> > rather than leaving it to commercial companies to half-assedly pick up
> > the pieces.  Steering OLPC back on to the rails before it crashes and
> > burns will be a job your favorite CEO or manager will never forget.
> >
> > Give 'em a call...
> >
> > John
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Microsoft? (was Re: OLPC seeks a CEO -- who was your favorite CEO elsewhere?)

[victor]

More worrying is this bit from the article in the link

"OLPC will hand more of the development and support of its XO laptop and its 
core software to technology companies, (...), and Microsoft (MSFT), which is 
just now putting the finishing touches on a version of Windows for the XO 
machine."

I didn't know Microsoft and Windows were going to be there.  So why all the
effort if in the end a closed OS is going to be used?

Is this true?

Victor

- Original Message - 
From: "John Gilmore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:47 PM
Subject: OLPC seeks a CEO -- who was your favorite CEO elsewhere?


> http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2008/tc2008035_429837.htm
>
> OLPC is looking for a CEO.  Nicholas is more of an "idea man", and he
> plans to continue as Chairman and cheerleader.  But he appears to have
> realized that with its current management, the organization can't
> outgrow its early chaos.  (For this I give him every credit; most
> founders who aren't suited to manage a larger, more structured
> organization resist installing a steady hand at the wheel.)
>
> There are probably a few people on the devel list who are actually
> qualified to be CEO of a nonprofit tech company like OLPC.  I
> encourage them to apply (it's not clear how, which shows you how far
> things have degenerated).  But I'm more interested in asking the
> software developers on the list:
>
>  ==>  Who's the best manager or CEO you ever worked for?
>
> Suggest to that person that they consider the job.
>
> OLPC has plenty of resources, and also plenty of challenges.  We on
> the outside have only seen a fraction of them (like schedules sliding
> out of control; botched distribution; support handled only by the skin
> of the teeth; key people dragged around to fill big holes, leaving
> other big holes behind them; diminished expectations in both sales and
> technical achievement).  OLPC has already changed the world in a small
> way, by teaching us that there's a vibrant world market for low cost,
> high function portable computers, and reminding us how much leverage
> there is in third world educational improvement.  OLPC still has a
> chance to change the world in a big way, by satisfying that market,
> rather than leaving it to commercial companies to half-assedly pick up
> the pieces.  Steering OLPC back on to the rails before it crashes and
> burns will be a job your favorite CEO or manager will never forget.
>
> Give 'em a call...
>
> John
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Re: OLPC seeks a CEO -- who was your favorite CEO elsewhere?

[Charles Merriam]

That would be Alan Baratz, former CEO of JavaSoft, last seen at Cisco
after his latest company was acquired.  Rumor has that Cisco is
choosing not to integrate NeoPath gracefully and Alan may be
available.

Anyone keep closer relationships with him?  I haven't talked to him
since JavaSoft.

Charles Merriam

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 1:47 PM, John Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2008/tc2008035_429837.htm
>
>  OLPC is looking for a CEO.  Nicholas is more of an "idea man", and he
>  plans to continue as Chairman and cheerleader.  But he appears to have
>  realized that with its current management, the organization can't
>  outgrow its early chaos.  (For this I give him every credit; most
>  founders who aren't suited to manage a larger, more structured
>  organization resist installing a steady hand at the wheel.)
>
>  There are probably a few people on the devel list who are actually
>  qualified to be CEO of a nonprofit tech company like OLPC.  I
>  encourage them to apply (it's not clear how, which shows you how far
>  things have degenerated).  But I'm more interested in asking the
>  software developers on the list:
>
>   ==>  Who's the best manager or CEO you ever worked for?
>
>  Suggest to that person that they consider the job.
>
>  OLPC has plenty of resources, and also plenty of challenges.  We on
>  the outside have only seen a fraction of them (like schedules sliding
>  out of control; botched distribution; support handled only by the skin
>  of the teeth; key people dragged around to fill big holes, leaving
>  other big holes behind them; diminished expectations in both sales and
>  technical achievement).  OLPC has already changed the world in a small
>  way, by teaching us that there's a vibrant world market for low cost,
>  high function portable computers, and reminding us how much leverage
>  there is in third world educational improvement.  OLPC still has a
>  chance to change the world in a big way, by satisfying that market,
>  rather than leaving it to commercial companies to half-assedly pick up
>  the pieces.  Steering OLPC back on to the rails before it crashes and
>  burns will be a job your favorite CEO or manager will never forget.
>
>  Give 'em a call...
>
> John
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OLPC seeks a CEO -- who was your favorite CEO elsewhere?

[John Gilmore]

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2008/tc2008035_429837.htm

OLPC is looking for a CEO.  Nicholas is more of an "idea man", and he
plans to continue as Chairman and cheerleader.  But he appears to have
realized that with its current management, the organization can't
outgrow its early chaos.  (For this I give him every credit; most
founders who aren't suited to manage a larger, more structured
organization resist installing a steady hand at the wheel.)

There are probably a few people on the devel list who are actually
qualified to be CEO of a nonprofit tech company like OLPC.  I
encourage them to apply (it's not clear how, which shows you how far
things have degenerated).  But I'm more interested in asking the
software developers on the list:

  ==>  Who's the best manager or CEO you ever worked for?

Suggest to that person that they consider the job.

OLPC has plenty of resources, and also plenty of challenges.  We on
the outside have only seen a fraction of them (like schedules sliding
out of control; botched distribution; support handled only by the skin
of the teeth; key people dragged around to fill big holes, leaving
other big holes behind them; diminished expectations in both sales and
technical achievement).  OLPC has already changed the world in a small
way, by teaching us that there's a vibrant world market for low cost,
high function portable computers, and reminding us how much leverage
there is in third world educational improvement.  OLPC still has a
chance to change the world in a big way, by satisfying that market,
rather than leaving it to commercial companies to half-assedly pick up
the pieces.  Steering OLPC back on to the rails before it crashes and
burns will be a job your favorite CEO or manager will never forget.

Give 'em a call...

John
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Re: mesh with ejabberd

[John Watlington]

daf gave a good summary.  A few more details
about the process are at:

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Schoolserver_Testing#Laptop_Registration

and more gory details are available at:

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/School_Identity_Manager

John

On Mar 10, 2008, at 12:49 PM, sulochan acharya wrote:

> Hey guys,
> I was experimenting the active antenna with ejabberd server, and i  
> have a question.
> My understanding is that when the laptop is linked to a jabber  
> server the laptop goes into a infrastructure mode?? which then  
> helps to cut on the overhead caused by multicast traffic?? I am not  
> sure how this happens? I have jabbered running and working with the  
> XO but the XO (mesh) is still on ad-hoc mode...does this mean  
> anything? I ask this because when i use a router as an AP to do the  
> same the XO mesh goes into managed mode..does this mean anything?
> Sorry for my lack of understanding of the mesh. Isnt the rreq and  
> rrep stop once a unicast route is set? And only recast a rreq when  
> a node goes missing or moves away??
>
> How does jabbered help with this?
> Would really appreciate some pointers on this.
> thanks once again.
>
> -Sulochan
>

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Re: mesh with ejabberd

[Dafydd Harries]

Ar 10/03/2008 am 22:34, ysgrifennodd sulochan acharya:
> Hey guys,
> I was experimenting the active antenna with ejabberd server, and i have a
> question.
> My understanding is that when the laptop is linked to a jabber server the
> laptop goes into a infrastructure mode?? which then helps to cut on the
> overhead caused by multicast traffic?? I am not sure how this happens? I
> have jabbered running and working with the XO but the XO (mesh) is still on
> ad-hoc mode...does this mean anything? I ask this because when i use a
> router as an AP to do the same the XO mesh goes into managed mode..does this
> mean anything?
> Sorry for my lack of understanding of the mesh. Isnt the rreq and rrep stop
> once a unicast route is set? And only recast a rreq when a node goes missing
> or moves away??
> 
> How does jabbered help with this?
> Would really appreciate some pointers on this.
> thanks once again.

In recent builds, you need to explicitly tell the laptop to register with the
Jabber server. It uses the server named in ~olpc/.sugar/default/config.

If the laptop has registered with a Jabber server, the Presence Service
process on the laptop tries to connect to it periodically. If connection
fails, mesh collaboration is used instead.

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Re: Update.1

[C. Scott Ananian]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Paul Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  to avoid a re-install (if that's desirable -- it might not be, i
>  suppose) can activities simply be moved manually from /usr/share
>  to /home before the upgrade?  i.e., assuming the activity was
>  properly written, will any of the meta-info surrounding its
>  installation or operation contain location-specific references?

Probably not, because core activities likely do need to be updated for
update.1.  The versions included in old builds may not work properly.

You can reasonably skip the update.1 build and wait to upgrade until
update.2, which will update your activities properly (at least that's
the plan).
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Re: Regarding public/private key pairs, was Re: [laptop.org #7741] project hosting request (resend)

[Charles Merriam]

Right.  Added it to the wiki.  I missed it as well:  application is in
70's area fixed text/tabbed fields and often shows as a jumble.

There are also a number of free Trac/Git servers out that can host
these without the hassle. FYI.

-- Charles

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 5:05 AM, Henry Hardy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Regarding public keys required for hosting applications:
>
>  The use of public keys is not optional in our security system. Without
>  a private/public keypair, we could set up a repository but you would
>  not ever be able to access it.
>
>  The ssh key is necessary in order for you to be able to connect to the
>  repository. It serves in place of a password. If you are not familiar
>  with the use of public key infrastructure, you can learn about it at
>  wikipedia:
>
>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-key_cryptography
>
>  In the Unix/Linux/Mac environment, you can use ssh-keygen to create
>  the public/private key pair. See
>  
> http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Networking/Public_key_authentication_with_ssh
>  for an example. In our case you need only do step one above and
>  provide us with the public key or a link to it in your application. We
>  will provision the server with it. You must be responsible to keep
>  track of your private key as there is no reasonable way to recover it
>  if lost or compromised.
>
>  In the Windows environment, the free program puttygen.exe can be used
>  to create a public/private key pair, and the program pageant.exe can
>  be used to facilitate connection to your account using your private
>  key once we have set up your account with the public key you will
>  provide to us.
>
>  http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html
>
>  --HH.
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>  On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 7:28 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >
>  >  Tue Mar 11 07:28:24 2008: Request 7741 was acted upon.
>  >  Transaction: Ticket created by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  >Queue: sysadmin
>  >  Subject: project hosting request (resend)
>  >Owner: Nobody
>  >   Requestors: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  >   Status: new
>  >   Ticket http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=7741 >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  1. Project name : csndsugui
>  >  2. Existing website, if any :
>  >  3. One-line description : a toolkit for the development of custom
>  >  csound activities
>  >
>  >  4. Longer description   : csndsugui is a Python-based toolkit for the
>  >  development of
>  >  : activities based on csound under sugar: lab
>  >  demos, instruments
>  >  : and music-related applications. It also aims
>  >  to provide a simple migration
>  >  : path for csound code that uses FLTK widgets.
>  >
>  >  5. URLs of similar projects :
>  >
>  >  6. Committer list
>  > Please list the maintainer (lead developer) as the first entry. Only 
> list
>  > developers who need to be given accounts so that they can commit to 
> your
>  > project's code repository, or push their own. There is no need to list
>  > non-committer developers.
>  >
>  >Username   Full name SSH2 key URL
> E-mail
>  >   - 
> --
>  > #1   Victor
>  >  Lazzarini  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > #2
>  > #3
>  >...
>  >
>  > If any developers don't have their SSH2 keys on the web, please attach
>  >  them
>  > to the application e-mail.
>  >
>  >  7. Preferred development model
>  >
>  > [X] Central tree. Every developer can push his changes directly to the
>  > project's git tree. This is the standard model that will be
>  >  familiar to
>  > CVS and Subversion users, and that tends to work well for most
>  >  projects.
>  >
>  > [ ] Maintainer-owned tree. Every developer creates his own git tree, or
>  > multiple git trees. He periodically asks the maintainer to look at 
> one
>  > or more of these trees, and merge changes into the 
> maintainer-owned,
>  > "main" tree. This is the model used by the Linux kernel, and is
>  > well-suited to projects wishing to maintain a tighter control on 
> code
>  > entering the main tree.
>  >
>  > If you choose the maintainer-owned tree model, but wish to set up some
>  > shared trees where all of your project's committers can commit 
> directly,
>  > as might be the case with a "discussion" tree, or a tree for an 
> individual
>  > feature, you may send us such a request by e-mail, and we will set up 
> the
>  > tree for you.
>  >
>  >  8. Set up a project mailing list:
>  >
>  > [ ] Yes, named after our project name
>  > [ ] Yes, named __
>  > [X] No
>  >
>  > When your project is just getting off the ground, we suggest you esche

Re: Update.1

[Paul Fox]

bert wrote:
 > 
 > G1G1 recipients will lose all other activities when upgrading, they  
 > can then download the lost activities from the web. Same for other  
 > developers.

to avoid a re-install (if that's desirable -- it might not be, i
suppose) can activities simply be moved manually from /usr/share
to /home before the upgrade?  i.e., assuming the activity was
properly written, will any of the meta-info surrounding its
installation or operation contain location-specific references?

paul
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Re: Update.1

[C. Scott Ananian]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Korakurider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Summaries by Bert and Korakurider sound right to me.  I believe that
I've posted these explanations previously on devel@, but it is true
that I have not done so as a 'top level' thread.

It is true that there is no build-in mechanism for updating activities
in Update.1, but we hope to have that in place for Update.2 (which is
when the activities would logically need to be updated again).
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Re: Raise the level of the Hardware specifications... or let's do some field tests!

[Jameson "Chema" Quinn]

Now that there are a significant number of laptops in Peru, high-altitude
testing may be more feasible. What test plan would you want followed in
order to be able to raise the specs?

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 9:00 AM, John Watlington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> I understand your concern.   I requested that the laptops be tested
> to at least 15,000 ft
> operationally, but was ignored.   I will inquire into the reasons.
>
> John
>
> On Mar 10, 2008, at 3:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am trying to pass this info to some "hardware" development
> > list... but I don't know where it is or if it exists.
> >
> > Anyway, maybe some person can register this "bug" (?) to the
> > tracking system... if you consider that this is a bug.. or if it is
> > something valuable to be taken in account...
> >
> > --
> > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Hardware_specification
> > Environmental specificationsMaximum altitude: –15m to 3048m (14.7
> > to 10.1 PSIA) (operating), –15m to 12192m (14.7 to 4.4 PSIA) (non-
> > operating);
> > --
> >
> > The Huancavelica city (big city, poor city) is at 12,100 feet
> > (around 3,688 meters) altitude.  There are tons of computers in
> > that city, they work without any modification.  I think that the
> > 3.048 m altitude capacity must been raised... maybe it has not been
> > tested accurately.. or.. other reasons? The more isolated children
> > are in the 4,500 meters (around 15,000 feet)
> >
> > Cuzco city is at 12,500 feet = 3,810 meters altitude. (so... no XOs
> > for Cuzco city.. and that is the capital of the region... there are
> > hundreds of smaller villages in higher altitude in the Cuzco
> > surrounding areas).
> >
> > Table
> > 
> > 10,000 feet = 10.11 PSIA
> > 11,000 feet = 9.73 PSIA
> > 12,000 feet = 9.35 PSIA
> > 13,000 feet = 8.96 PSIA
> > 14,000 feet = 8.63 PSIA
> > 15,000 feet = 8.29 PSIA
> >
> > Andahuaylas city = 13,000 feet
> >
> > The maximum altitude in "hardware specification" for all the
> > equipment should be raised.  In Peru the towns (villages) that you
> > can find in the 3,048 meters vecinity are not the poorest or the
> > ones that are more isolated.  Our national president (Mr. Alan
> > García) launch a law proposal to do all territories over the 3,200
> > meters altitude a "tax free" territories.  That is because, in the
> > words of the President, and according to all our national
> > statiscall records, the deep poverty and the isolation starts at
> > 3,000 meters altitude.  Below the 3,000 meters altitude... well...
> > there is poverty in whole Peru... but some tests should be done to
> > see if the XOs (and the rest of the hardware) can work at more than
> > 3,048 meters altitude.  I think they will work because I have seen
> > normal standard PCs and all kind of equipment working at 4,500
> > meters altitude.  That is the altitude were all the isolated
> > communities (the ones that need more our help) are located.  There
> > are around 5,000 villages and small communities (with 100 families
> > each village, averaged) over the 4,000 meters altitude.  Deep
> > poverty in those areas.
> >
> > Maybe the manufacturer (Quanta?) can put more light over the
> > issue.  My guess is that the capacity of the XOs is underestimated
> > by the manufacturer...
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Javier
> >
> > Some useful for those interested in the issue...
> >
> > About PSIAs: http://www.aempower.com/Faqs.aspx?FaqCategoryID=30
> > About the 2006 peruvian map of poverty: www.foncodes.gob.pe
> >
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Re: Update.1

[Korakurider]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Countries can install unsupported activities on each machine using a
>USB key:
>
>   http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Customization_key
>
>G1G1 recipients will lose all other activities when upgrading, they
>can then download the lost activities from the web. Same for other
>developers.
>  The unsupported activities will be installed in the user's home
>  directory so they will at least not be lost again when the base system
>  is upgraded. But they also will not be automatically updated anymore,
>  this will have to be done manually.

Please confirm my understanding:

+ all of ex-"preinstalled" activities that have been installed and
tested in /usr/share/activies will be installed under /home/olpc.
(even for deployment with customization key, right?)
So additional testing will be needed for them under new layout.  At
least TamTam needed it: #6673

+ Now all of ex-"preinstalled" activities need to expose link to their
.xo bundle at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities for download.

I think we will need to build Joyride with the new activities layout
if we really test and support "unsupported" activities.

/Korakurider
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Re: Raise the level of the Hardware specifications... or let's do some field tests!

[John Watlington]

I understand your concern.   I requested that the laptops be tested  
to at least 15,000 ft
operationally, but was ignored.   I will inquire into the reasons.

John

On Mar 10, 2008, at 3:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am trying to pass this info to some "hardware" development  
> list... but I don't know where it is or if it exists.
>
> Anyway, maybe some person can register this "bug" (?) to the  
> tracking system... if you consider that this is a bug.. or if it is  
> something valuable to be taken in account...
>
> --
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Hardware_specification
> Environmental specificationsMaximum altitude: –15m to 3048m (14.7  
> to 10.1 PSIA) (operating), –15m to 12192m (14.7 to 4.4 PSIA) (non- 
> operating);
> --
>
> The Huancavelica city (big city, poor city) is at 12,100 feet  
> (around 3,688 meters) altitude.  There are tons of computers in  
> that city, they work without any modification.  I think that the  
> 3.048 m altitude capacity must been raised... maybe it has not been  
> tested accurately.. or.. other reasons? The more isolated children  
> are in the 4,500 meters (around 15,000 feet)
>
> Cuzco city is at 12,500 feet = 3,810 meters altitude. (so... no XOs  
> for Cuzco city.. and that is the capital of the region... there are  
> hundreds of smaller villages in higher altitude in the Cuzco  
> surrounding areas).
>
> Table
> 
> 10,000 feet = 10.11 PSIA
> 11,000 feet = 9.73 PSIA
> 12,000 feet = 9.35 PSIA
> 13,000 feet = 8.96 PSIA
> 14,000 feet = 8.63 PSIA
> 15,000 feet = 8.29 PSIA
>
> Andahuaylas city = 13,000 feet
>
> The maximum altitude in "hardware specification" for all the  
> equipment should be raised.  In Peru the towns (villages) that you  
> can find in the 3,048 meters vecinity are not the poorest or the  
> ones that are more isolated.  Our national president (Mr. Alan  
> García) launch a law proposal to do all territories over the 3,200  
> meters altitude a "tax free" territories.  That is because, in the  
> words of the President, and according to all our national  
> statiscall records, the deep poverty and the isolation starts at  
> 3,000 meters altitude.  Below the 3,000 meters altitude... well...  
> there is poverty in whole Peru... but some tests should be done to  
> see if the XOs (and the rest of the hardware) can work at more than  
> 3,048 meters altitude.  I think they will work because I have seen  
> normal standard PCs and all kind of equipment working at 4,500  
> meters altitude.  That is the altitude were all the isolated  
> communities (the ones that need more our help) are located.  There  
> are around 5,000 villages and small communities (with 100 families  
> each village, averaged) over the 4,000 meters altitude.  Deep  
> poverty in those areas.
>
> Maybe the manufacturer (Quanta?) can put more light over the  
> issue.  My guess is that the capacity of the XOs is underestimated  
> by the manufacturer...
>
> Best regards,
>
> Javier
>
> Some useful for those interested in the issue...
>
> About PSIAs: http://www.aempower.com/Faqs.aspx?FaqCategoryID=30
> About the 2006 peruvian map of poverty: www.foncodes.gob.pe
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Activity hosting application: View Slides

[James Simmons]

1. Project name : View Slides Activity
2. Existing website, if any : None
3. One-line description : A simple Python Activity for viewing a series of
images in a Zip file

4. Longer description   : This activity will support paging through a
   : collection of image files stored in a Zip
   : file.  The images can be JPG, PNG, GIF, TIFF,
   : or anything else that can be displayed by
   : pygtk. It will have a user interface
   : similar to the Read activity.  I see this as
   : an alternative to Read for books composed
   : of raw scanned images, like children's 
   : picture books, comic books, photo essays,

   : magazine articles, etc.

5. URLs of similar projects : http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Read_Etexts

6. Committer list
  Please list the maintainer (lead developer) as the first entry. Only list
  developers who need to be given accounts so that they can commit to your
  project's code repository, or push their own. There is no need to list
  non-committer developers.

 Username   Full name SSH2 key URLE-mail
    - --
  #1 jdsimmons  James Simmons attached  ja.simmons at 
sbcglobal.net
  #2
  #3
 ...

  If any developers don't have their SSH2 keys on the web, please attach them
  to the application e-mail.

7. Preferred development model

  [X] Central tree. Every developer can push his changes directly to the
  project's git tree. This is the standard model that will be familiar to
  CVS and Subversion users, and that tends to work well for most projects.

  [ ] Maintainer-owned tree. Every developer creates his own git tree, or
  multiple git trees. He periodically asks the maintainer to look at one
  or more of these trees, and merge changes into the maintainer-owned,
  "main" tree. This is the model used by the Linux kernel, and is
  well-suited to projects wishing to maintain a tighter control on code
  entering the main tree.

  If you choose the maintainer-owned tree model, but wish to set up some
  shared trees where all of your project's committers can commit directly,
  as might be the case with a "discussion" tree, or a tree for an individual
  feature, you may send us such a request by e-mail, and we will set up the
  tree for you.

8. Set up a project mailing list:

  [ ] Yes, named after our project name
  [ ] Yes, named __
  [X] No

  When your project is just getting off the ground, we suggest you eschew
  a separate mailing list and instead keep discussion about your project
  on the main OLPC development list. This will give you more input and
  potentially attract more developers to your project; when the volume of
  messages related to your project reaches some critical mass, we can
  trivially create a separate mailing list for you.

  If you need multiple lists, let us know. We discourage having many
  mailing lists for smaller projects, as this tends to
  stunt the growth of your project community. You can always add more lists
  later.

9. Commit notifications

  [ ] Notification of commits to the main tree should be e-mailed to the list
  we chose to create above
  [ ] A separate mailing list, -git, should be created for commit
  notifications
  [X] No commit notifications, please

10. Shell accounts

  As a general rule, we don't provide shell accounts to developers unless
  there's a demonstrated need. If you have one, please explain here, and
  list the usernames of the committers above needing shell access.

11. Translation
  [X] Set up the laptop.org Pootle server to allow translation
commits to be made
  [ ] Translation arrangements have already been made at ___

12. Notes/comments:  Since the toolbar will be adapted from the Read
toolbar I should be able to use the same translations.  Also, since the 
activity will be simple and entirely in Python it might be good sample 
code for new Activity developers to look at.


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Regarding public/private key pairs, was Re: [laptop.org #7741] project hosting request (resend)

[Henry Hardy]

Regarding public keys required for hosting applications:

The use of public keys is not optional in our security system. Without
a private/public keypair, we could set up a repository but you would
not ever be able to access it.

The ssh key is necessary in order for you to be able to connect to the
repository. It serves in place of a password. If you are not familiar
with the use of public key infrastructure, you can learn about it at
wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-key_cryptography

In the Unix/Linux/Mac environment, you can use ssh-keygen to create
the public/private key pair. See
http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Networking/Public_key_authentication_with_ssh
for an example. In our case you need only do step one above and
provide us with the public key or a link to it in your application. We
will provision the server with it. You must be responsible to keep
track of your private key as there is no reasonable way to recover it
if lost or compromised.

In the Windows environment, the free program puttygen.exe can be used
to create a public/private key pair, and the program pageant.exe can
be used to facilitate connection to your account using your private
key once we have set up your account with the public key you will
provide to us.

http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html

--HH.
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On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 7:28 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Tue Mar 11 07:28:24 2008: Request 7741 was acted upon.
>  Transaction: Ticket created by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Queue: sysadmin
>  Subject: project hosting request (resend)
>Owner: Nobody
>   Requestors: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Status: new
>   Ticket http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=7741 >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  1. Project name : csndsugui
>  2. Existing website, if any :
>  3. One-line description : a toolkit for the development of custom
>  csound activities
>
>  4. Longer description   : csndsugui is a Python-based toolkit for the
>  development of
>  : activities based on csound under sugar: lab
>  demos, instruments
>  : and music-related applications. It also aims
>  to provide a simple migration
>  : path for csound code that uses FLTK widgets.
>
>  5. URLs of similar projects :
>
>  6. Committer list
> Please list the maintainer (lead developer) as the first entry. Only list
> developers who need to be given accounts so that they can commit to your
> project's code repository, or push their own. There is no need to list
> non-committer developers.
>
>Username   Full name SSH2 key URLE-mail
>   - --
> #1   Victor
>  Lazzarini  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> #2
> #3
>...
>
> If any developers don't have their SSH2 keys on the web, please attach
>  them
> to the application e-mail.
>
>  7. Preferred development model
>
> [X] Central tree. Every developer can push his changes directly to the
> project's git tree. This is the standard model that will be
>  familiar to
> CVS and Subversion users, and that tends to work well for most
>  projects.
>
> [ ] Maintainer-owned tree. Every developer creates his own git tree, or
> multiple git trees. He periodically asks the maintainer to look at one
> or more of these trees, and merge changes into the maintainer-owned,
> "main" tree. This is the model used by the Linux kernel, and is
> well-suited to projects wishing to maintain a tighter control on code
> entering the main tree.
>
> If you choose the maintainer-owned tree model, but wish to set up some
> shared trees where all of your project's committers can commit directly,
> as might be the case with a "discussion" tree, or a tree for an individual
> feature, you may send us such a request by e-mail, and we will set up the
> tree for you.
>
>  8. Set up a project mailing list:
>
> [ ] Yes, named after our project name
> [ ] Yes, named __
> [X] No
>
> When your project is just getting off the ground, we suggest you eschew
> a separate mailing list and instead keep discussion about your project
> on the main OLPC development list. This will give you more input and
> potentially attract more developers to your project; when the volume of
> messages related to your project reaches some critical mass, we can
> trivially create a separate mailing list for you.
>
> If you need multiple lists, let us know. We discourage having many
> mailing lists for smaller projects, as this tends to
> stunt the growth of your project community. You can always add more lists
> later.
>
>  9. Commit notifications
>
> [ ] Notification of commits to the main

Update.1

[Bert Freudenberg]

So apparently no "product manager" or other person in a leading role  
feels compelled to clear up the confusion.

Here is what I understand:

Quanta will soon switch to pre-install the "update.1" build. This  
means any new XO will come only with very basic activities factory- 
installed, the ones "supported by OLPC" as per 
http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6598 
  (currently Journal, Read, Chat, Browse, Write, Record, and Paint,  
possibly also Terminal).

Countries can install unsupported activities on each machine using a  
USB key:

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Customization_key

G1G1 recipients will lose all other activities when upgrading, they  
can then download the lost activities from the web. Same for other  
developers.

The unsupported activities will be installed in the user's home  
directory so they will at least not be lost again when the base system  
is upgraded. But they also will not be automatically updated anymore,  
this will have to be done manually.

Is that about right?

- Bert -

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