More Planning Thoughts
Dear devel@, While I'm still rather far away from done, I may have imposed enough structure on my present fragmented reflections on our goals to be worth your review [1]. [1]: http://teach.laptop.org/~mstone/planning/r1 As always, questions comments are greatly appreciated. In this particular email, I'm most interested in thoughts that my commentary inspires in you and in your contributions toward my represents the diversity of justified views within the tech community goal. In future emails, I will be more concerned with your analysis of the quality of the justifications given and of the appropriateness of the proposed primary and backup plans. (Also, this week, particular thanks are due to Greg for his excellent and intriguing discussion [2] of, in my words, how to avoid painting your team into ugly corners.) [2]: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Mstone/August_planning#A_suggestion_on_how_to_reach_a_decision_quickly Michael P.S. - (Feel free to wikify if it matters to you; I certainly appreciate the feedback I've received on [2], particularly Greg's comments [3]. Alternately, would people find something like the FSF's GPLv3 comment system, the Django Book's comment system, or the Real World Haskell Book's comment system handy for preparing this sort of planning document? If so, can anyone volunteer to put up an instance? Alternately, does TOPP supply anything that addresses the communication problems posed by documents like this one?) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: More Planning Thoughts
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, Michael Stone wrote: Dear devel@, While I'm still rather far away from done, I may have imposed enough structure on my present fragmented reflections on our goals to be worth your review [1]. [1]: http://teach.laptop.org/~mstone/planning/r1 Having just read it, I'll digest it in my sleep tonight. P.S. - (Feel free to wikify if it matters to you; I certainly appreciate the feedback I've received on [2], particularly Greg's comments [3]. Alternately, would people find something like the FSF's GPLv3 comment system, the Django Book's comment system, or the Real World Haskell Book's comment system handy for preparing this sort of planning document? If so, can anyone volunteer to put up an instance? Alternately, does TOPP supply anything that addresses the communication problems posed by documents like this one?) I'd like to suggest the AGPL-licensed, GPLv3-comment-system-like co-ment.net. I nominate the system, but I require a second before doing it; since I'll be asleep, if that second emerges, I suggest acting by just doing it. (-: -- Asheesh. P.S. I thought it was a proprietary hosted web service, like Flickr, but then Michael pointed out to me it's AGPLware! -- I guess you guys got BIG MUSCLES from doing too much STUDYING! ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: How to use Salut?
Le mardi 15 avril 2008 à 20:32 +0200, Morgan Collett a écrit : A very quick test for which one is running is: ps ax |grep telepathy - if it shows telepathy-gabble, you're on a jabber server. If it shows telepathy-salut, you're on salut. If it shows neither, then something made salut crash - please log a ticket and attach logs if you have them enabled[0]. If it shows both gabble and salut, also log a ticket against presence-service with presenceservice.log. ... and the needed footnote :) [0] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Telepathy-debug ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Record (was Re: [sugar] VoiceThreads ... a very interesting education service)
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 4:48 AM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ** except for the (my opinion) design flaw where you can't share existing recordings, only ones you record after someone else joins a shared session – so no point taking a bunch of photos of things and then clicking share – no one sees anything. For a test, a while back, I set up a Record session, named it 'View out your window', took a couple of photos, and turned sharing on. A bunch of folks joined over an hour or so and left photos of their view, but they couldn't see my photos, and I could only see a thumbnail of their photos (gave a network time-out error if I tried to click a thumb). Still a fascinating exercise even if it didn't quite go to plan (showed the potential). Record sends the thumbnails as people take photos, and only transfers the full photo when you click on it. That assumes the XO with that photo is still around - or that someone else in the shared session has obtained that photo from the sharer. I've logged #6896 about improving this. I've logged #6897 about joiners getting existing content in the session. I think it depends on #4497, which is a redesign of the collaboration in Record. *** If you could resume a pre-recorded Record activity *AND* then share it out, it could be a good way to do photo journal type homework or research. Perhaps needs a better playback mode (text notes and images shown at once; ability to reorder the items in the bottom pane; ability to take a photo, then record audio associated with it). Feel free to express your opinions in Trac :) Maybe if Journal item sharing arrives as some point, this will be a practical way of generating and sharing similar content. Yes - although that's more transfer of content than collaborating together in the activity (as I understand it). Morgan ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: More Planning Thoughts
Michael, In recognition of our limited measurement and release resources, we should concentrate our efforts on two minimally coupled topics... This seems pretty arbitrary and I'm not sure how you are coming to that conclusion. I think Greg provides great suggestions on how to reach consensus on the what. We need to start by defining the organizational goal and then use it as the main criterium to evaluate the concrete priorities. Possibilities from his post on the wiki: * Make existing customer successful. Learn from them and generate follow on orders. * Acquire new customers and expand the user base dramatically. * Expand the capacity of the organization to develop new software in the future. I happen to agree with him that we should focus on make existing costumer successful, if nothing else because I consider it a prerequisite for the other two goals. Marco ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [sugar] Record (was Re: VoiceThreads ... a very interesting education service)
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Morgan Collett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 4:48 AM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe if Journal item sharing arrives as some point, this will be a practical way of generating and sharing similar content. Yes - although that's more transfer of content than collaborating together in the activity (as I understand it). Perhaps we could distinguish between synchronous and asynchronous collaboration? Transfer of frozen activities may serve for the later. Tomeu ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Advice on implementing a zooming interface?
I thought this list might be a good place to ask for advice. I have tested a paper + card version of a prototype story writing tool with children, and now need to implement a computer version of the prototype. I don't have my interface mockups handy, but it is card-based story writing. Imagine looking down at a set of 10, 20 or 30 or so story cards on a table, you write a bit of the story on each card. The interface needs to be able to provide a zoomed-out overview of all the cards, and to zoom-in on each individual card, and the cards need to have text entry widgets on them for the user to input their story (they also need text labels and images). I initially envisioned the 2D cards existing in a 3D scene with proper, animated, continuous zooming. This isn't really necessary though, the zoom is rather used to connect a fixed number of discrete screens, so it could be implemented more like in Sugar, where you don't actually see an animation of the zoom happening. Initially I thought to use pygame for the implementation as I knew I could use this on an XO. But I have looked around, and the GUI toolkits I can find for pygame seem a bit limited. A text input area widget is missing from pgu, for example. And I'm not sure I would be able to place GUI widgets onto sprites (the cards) with any of the toolkits I saw, they all seem to allow a 2D interface to be overlayed on the game scene but not integrated *into* the scene, whereas I have been imagining my story cards as sprites in a game scene and the GUI widgets being on the cards themselves. The most promising, in fact the only workable option I've found, seems to be the 3D game engine Panda3D, and its DirectGUI library. I believe it would allow the cards to be implemented as flat objects in a 3D scene and allow GUI widgets to be placed onto these objects in the scene. But a full 3D engine may be overkill. Does anyone have any advice on how I could implement this, and hopefully make it OLPC compatible, either using pygame or something else? Thanks ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Server-devel] [sugar] sugar roadmap
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Benj. Mako Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Martin Langhoff Personally, I have been dreaming of a mix between ion3 and Sugar's 4-zoom-stages. Talking with some hard-core ion3 friends, they seemed to be convinced that it was doable as a special configuration, binding the F1-F3 keys to full screen apps, and having a nested X in F4. Yes. This would be pretty simple. I'd be happy to help someone hack this up. Ion3 is extensible in Lua and a little bit of Lua will get tihs up and running pretty quickly. The whole plan would look like - Network-pane visual app on F1 - Network-local-resources+Friends visual app on F2 - Desktop mgmt app on F3 - F4 as an ion3 managed desktop You mean the zoom levels when you talk about F1, F2, etc, right? with the whole concert of things managed by Ion3. Good to know that the Ion3 Lua part is doable and relatively easy. The visual apps needed for F1/2 are probably a ton of work. Apps or rather windows created by the shell process? H. A weekend project for next time I have a weekend (next one up: Feb 2010 I think ;-) ). Maybe next time I'm in Cambridge we can explore it together if you have time+inclination... Can we have some more discussion here? I'm very intrigued about all this. Thanks, Tomeu ___ Server-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: How to use Salut?
Morgan and Guillaume, I tried using avahi-browse -a on openSUSE 10.2 last night and it told me that the daemon was not running. I checked the xinted panel in YAST and there was no entry for activating avahi, even though I installed avahi as part of the SUSE distribution. In any case, if it isn't running that would explain my Salut issue. I'll have to study up on Avahi and resolve this. In the meantime Avahi *is* working on Xubuntu, and the Collabora servers were back up last night. I got some tests of View Slides *almost* working last night. I noticed it took a *long* time to copy a 15 mb or so file, and my theory is that all these debug messages are slowing it down. If you can think of a better explanation I'd love to hear it. Thanks again for your help. James Simmons Guillaume Desmottes wrote: Le mardi 15 avril 2008 à 20:32 +0200, Morgan Collett a écrit : A very quick test for which one is running is: ps ax |grep telepathy - if it shows telepathy-gabble, you're on a jabber server. If it shows telepathy-salut, you're on salut. If it shows neither, then something made salut crash - please log a ticket and attach logs if you have them enabled[0]. If it shows both gabble and salut, also log a ticket against presence-service with presenceservice.log. ... and the needed footnote :) [0] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Telepathy-debug ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: How to use Salut?
Ar 15/04/2008 am 10:18, ysgrifennodd James Simmons: Morgan, Thanks for the information on ejabberd. I may try that this weekend. I am still puzzled by salut, though. I am using sugar-jhbuild on openSUSE 10.2 and everything seemed to compile OK, but running two instances of Sugar does not seem to support sharing when the Collabora server is down. They don't see each other in the Neighborhood view. So it looks like Salut isn't doing its job. I know you have a lot on your plate, but information on diagnosing Salut problems would be a good addition to the Wiki. Speaking of the Wiki, I did a search on Salut and the page I found gave the impression that Salut only works when there is NO internet connectivity. Since my development machines are always connected to the Internet this could be why I can't share between instances. The wiki page I found is at: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Test_Network_Configuration#Salut If there is an internet connection, the laptop will only try using Salut after it has tried to connect to the Jabber server. Perhaps connecting to the Jabber server is taking a long time to time out, so it's not trying Salut? -- Dafydd ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: How to use Salut?
Ar 16/04/2008 am 09:33, ysgrifennodd James Simmons: Morgan and Guillaume, I tried using avahi-browse -a on openSUSE 10.2 last night and it told me that the daemon was not running. I checked the xinted panel in YAST and there was no entry for activating avahi, even though I installed avahi as part of the SUSE distribution. In any case, if it isn't running that would explain my Salut issue. I'll have to study up on Avahi and resolve this. In the meantime Avahi *is* working on Xubuntu, and the Collabora servers were back up last night. I got some tests of View Slides *almost* working last night. I noticed it took a *long* time to copy a 15 mb or so file, and my theory is that all these debug messages are slowing it down. If you can think of a better explanation I'd love to hear it. Salut should work on the laptops regardless of whether Avahi works on your OpenSuSE machine. If you switch to a terminal on the XO, you should be able to run the avahi-browse command that Morgan suggested there. -- Dafydd ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
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Re: More Planning Thoughts
On Apr 15, 2008, at 11:16 PM, Michael Stone wrote: (Also, this week, particular thanks are due to Greg for his excellent and intriguing discussion [2] of, in my words, how to avoid painting your team into ugly corners.) [2]: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Mstone/ August_planning#A_suggestion_on_how_to_reach_a_decision_quickly This is an excellent suggestion. It can also help to consider the repercussions of *not* doing each of the three high level goals. Specifically, would you choose: don't ensure that the existing customer is successful, don't acquire new customers or don't expand the capacity of the organization? -josh ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
[PATCH] support battery-charge-state-dependent battery frame icon
Support battery-charge-state-dependent battery frame icon and upgrade to
consistency with battery icon design from
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Designs/Frame#06.
Controversially (or so I think), this commit includes a very naive algorithm to
calculate battery time/life remaining, as a principled approach is much more
complex and this approach is better than what a naive human would do (e.g.,
only misleading to those who should be coming up with better patches :)). The
code is very localized and self-contained so it's easy to rip out later.
---
src/view/devices/battery.py | 51 +++---
1 files changed, 37 insertions(+), 14 deletions(-)
diff --git a/src/view/devices/battery.py b/src/view/devices/battery.py
index 8a4caf0..eefe631 100644
--- a/src/view/devices/battery.py
+++ b/src/view/devices/battery.py
@@ -19,9 +19,11 @@ from gettext import gettext as _
import gtk
from sugar import profile
+from sugar.graphics import style
from sugar.graphics.icon import get_icon_state
from sugar.graphics.tray import TrayIcon
from sugar.graphics.palette import Palette
+from sugar.graphics.xocolor import XoColor
from view.frame.frameinvoker import FrameWidgetInvoker
@@ -37,7 +39,7 @@ class DeviceView(TrayIcon):
xo_color=profile.get_color())
self._model = model
-self.palette = BatteryPalette(_('My Battery life'))
+self.palette = BatteryPalette(_('My Battery'))
self.set_palette(self.palette)
self.palette.props.invoker = FrameWidgetInvoker(self)
self.palette.set_group_id('frame')
@@ -48,21 +50,24 @@ class DeviceView(TrayIcon):
self._update_info()
def _update_info(self):
-name = get_icon_state(_ICON_NAME, self._model.props.level)
-self.icon.props.icon_name = name
+name = _ICON_NAME
+level = self._model.props.level
+xo_color = profile.get_color()
-# Update palette
if self._model.props.charging:
status = _STATUS_CHARGING
-self.icon.props.badge_name = 'emblem-charging'
+name += '-charging'
+xo_color = XoColor('%s,%s' % (style.COLOR_WHITE.get_svg(),
+ style.COLOR_WHITE.get_svg()))
elif self._model.props.discharging:
status = _STATUS_DISCHARGING
-self.icon.props.badge_name = None
else:
status = _STATUS_FULLY_CHARGED
-self.icon.props.badge_name = None
-self.palette.set_level(self._model.props.level)
+self.icon.props.icon_name = get_icon_state(name, level)
+self.icon.props.xo_color = xo_color
+
+self.palette.set_level(level)
self.palette.set_status(status)
def _battery_status_changed_cb(self, pspec, param):
@@ -92,13 +97,31 @@ class BatteryPalette(Palette):
self._progress_bar.set_fraction(fraction)
def set_status(self, status):
-percent_string = ' (%s%%)' % self._level
+lvl = self._level
+secondary_text = ''
+status_text = '%s%%' % lvl
if status == _STATUS_CHARGING:
-charge_text = _('Battery charging') + percent_string
+secondary_text = _('Charging')
elif status == _STATUS_DISCHARGING:
-charge_text = _('Battery discharging') + percent_string
-elif status == _STATUS_FULLY_CHARGED:
-charge_text = _('Battery fully charged')
+if lvl = 15:
+secondary_text = _('Very little power remaining')
+else:
+minutes = _('m')
+hours = _('h')
+#TODO: make this less of an wild/educated guess
+minutes_left = int(lvl / 0.59)
+if minutes_left 60:
+guess_text = '%s%s' % (minutes_left, minutes)
+else:
+hours_left = minutes_left / 60
+mins_leftover = minutes_left % 60
+guess_text = '%s%s%s%s' % (hours_left, hours,
+ mins_leftover, minutes)
+secondary_text = guess_text + _(' remaining')
+else:
+secondary_text = _('Charged')
+status_text = ''
-self._status_label.set_text(charge_text)
+self.props.secondary_text = secondary_text
+self._status_label.set_text(status_text)
--
1.5.4.1
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Re: working version of Watch and Listen?
The version that is in git should work. It's working on the emulator, and as far as I know it should be working on the laptop as well. You could download it and test it, but from what I know we haven't done much to WL after finishing the latest version (that xo appears to be version 10, which is an older version than what is in git). I've CC'd this message to the rest of the WL developers to see if they have anything else to add on this. Bryan Berry wrote: I get 404 not found when I try to access the url listed for Watch and Listen on the Activities page: http://staff.osuosl.org/~peter/myfiles/Watch%20%20Listen-10.xo Can anyone tell me how stable the version of Watch and Listen is that lives in git? http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=projects/watch-listen;a=shortlog;h=master thanks ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: working version of Watch and Listen?
The link to version 10 should work now. the version in git is actually version 12, but it was only minor changes to add localization/interationalization. Josh Schonstal wrote: The version that is in git should work. It's working on the emulator, and as far as I know it should be working on the laptop as well. You could download it and test it, but from what I know we haven't done much to WL after finishing the latest version (that xo appears to be version 10, which is an older version than what is in git). I've CC'd this message to the rest of the WL developers to see if they have anything else to add on this. Bryan Berry wrote: I get 404 not found when I try to access the url listed for Watch and Listen on the Activities page: http://staff.osuosl.org/~peter/myfiles/Watch%20%20Listen-10.xo Can anyone tell me how stable the version of Watch and Listen is that lives in git? http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=projects/watch-listen;a=shortlog;h=master thanks ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
TamTam packaging
Hi Olivier, I have a few questions regarding the .deb packaging of the four TamTam activities. -why are the cpp sources in the MANIFEST and consequently in the xo? -which versions do you recommend for packaging. Latest are 48 and 49 , depending on the activity I got them to build and start on Ubuntu but I have no sound The lib is acsound64 not acsound in debian/ubuntu so the link flag needed a change to rebuild the aclient.so instead of using the one in git. Hardcoded paths starting with /home/olpc were changed too but it still does not play any sound - the graphics are stunning though! :) csound is 5.08.0 do you know if that should be OK? Minor change to get it to build with -Werror with g++ 4.2.3 (Ubuntu 8.04) thanks Jani --- a/common/Util/Clooper/aclient.cpp +++ b/common/Util/Clooper/aclient.cpp @@ -549,8 +549,8 @@ struct TamTamSound csound = csoundCreate(NULL); int argc=3; char **argv = (char**)malloc(argc*sizeof(char*)); -argv[0] = csound; -argv[1] = -m7; +argv[0] = (char *)csound; +argv[1] = (char *)-m7; argv[2] = orc; : ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: TamTam packaging
Hi Jani, First of all, our main goal is to make TamTam runs on the XO. We didn't think yet about porting it to others system... Le 08-04-16 à 17:44, Jani Monoses a écrit : Hi Olivier, I have a few questions regarding the .deb packaging of the four TamTam activities. -why are the cpp sources in the MANIFEST and consequently in the xo? At the beginning we TamTam was only one activity with a welcome screen to choose which component to play with. When we were aksed to spilt the activities it was the simplest way for us to manage all activities from one git tree. But all sounds and common images are located only inside TamTamEdit. -which versions do you recommend for packaging. Latest are 48 and 49 , depending on the activity Always the latest... even though i'm on the way to make major changes in the way TamTam handle resources (mic recording, synthlab sounds...) to respect OLPC security policy. These changes will complicate once more the port to others system... I got them to build and start on Ubuntu but I have no sound The lib is acsound64 not acsound in debian/ubuntu so the link flag needed a change to rebuild the aclient.so instead of using the one in git. I don't think using the aclient is the better way to make it work on Debian. This client was build very tight to save cpu cycles on the XO. The better way is to use the Python API for Csound... (with the API, don't forget to remove -n flag (no sound) in tamtamorc.csd). Maybe James can tell you more about aclient.so ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) Hardcoded paths starting with /home/olpc were changed too but it still does not play any sound - the graphics are stunning though! :) csound is 5.08.0 do you know if that should be OK? Minor change to get it to build with -Werror with g++ 4.2.3 (Ubuntu 8.04) thanks Jani --- a/common/Util/Clooper/aclient.cpp +++ b/common/Util/Clooper/aclient.cpp @@ -549,8 +549,8 @@ struct TamTamSound csound = csoundCreate(NULL); int argc=3; char **argv = (char**)malloc(argc*sizeof(char*)); -argv[0] = csound; -argv[1] = -m7; +argv[0] = (char *)csound; +argv[1] = (char *)-m7; argv[2] = orc; : Thanks for trying to make it works on Debian! Olivier ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
How do I resart XWindows when running emulation under QEMU
title says is all Crtl-Alt has a special meaning in an emulator and Crtl-Alt-Backspace does not work in either windows or linux. On linux it does some very funky things to the host XWindows ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
QEMU says out of disk space
I am trying to do development on an image in QEMU rinning under windows or linux. I am also mounting the image with sshfs or sftpdrive on linux and windows respectively. I am getting two issues - sometimes the image insists there is no disk space left - this ofter prevents Xwindows from starting at boot. The image is rendered unusable and even if not you can get nothing done. I do not think it is really out of space but do not know how to check Any thoughts or bright ideas. - ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Building an image of a real OLPC
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Re: Building an image of a real OLPC
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 06:20:12PM -0700, Steve Lewis wrote: Is there any way do build a disk image of a physical OLPC for backup and development under an emulator One method is to mount the NAND over sshfs and to copy the files you want. Another method is to save a NAND image to a USB key or SD card with the 'save-nand' OFW word, then to mount this image. The instructions at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Mounting_jffs2_images might achieve this or they might not - I've never tried it. Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: How do I resart XWindows when running emulation under QEMU
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 06:13:16PM -0700, Steve Lewis wrote: title says is all Crtl-Alt has a special meaning in an emulator and Crtl-Alt-Backspace does not work in either windows or linux. On linux it does some very funky things to the host XWindows QEMU has a 'sendkey' command that can be executed from the QEMU Console. You can use this command to send the restart combination (and to switch to the virtual terminals, if need be). Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: More planning thoughts
Here's my POV on the issues... issue affects all users affects all developers radical change suggested tolerability of current state of affairs how hard to improve power management 6 2 ? 5 3 mesh 6 4 6 4 5 both of the above together 7 datastore 8 8 10 3 5* sugar UI 8 4 (many changes are inside sugar) 5 6 3-5* collaboration 6 6 6 7 3* compatibility/ interoperability 2 7 4 (mostly clever hacks) 6 3 performance 8 2 4 6 5 * Requires work by activity developers. ... As you can probably see from the above table, I'd vote putting the datastore first in line, as it is the one issue which causes data loss. More later, Jameson ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Severe new bug in firmware Q2D13?
I have been told that the Uruguay machines are supposed to have good battery holders, so my earlier suggestion about coin-cell batteries popping out of the holder might be incorrect. However, we have also seen a problem where some of the coin-cell batteries are defective, so it would be worthwhile to open the problem machines and inspect their batteries. The defective batteries might have visible corrosion. Emiliano Pastorino wrote: Scott, We're having serious problems here in Uruguay with firmware Q2D13. Some laptops, after flashing them, show an Invalid system date error at boot time. The laptop won't boot because after that it shows a Lease expired message and tries to activate. We could activate the laptop, but when you reboot it, the same error message appears. In the time between we activate the laptop and before we reboot it, we could check the date, it says mar nov 30 01:35:11 EST 1999. This started to happen after we upgrade the firmware from Q2D07 (which had an activation problem) to Q2D13. It seems that the I've attached three screenshots of the boot screen. We need someone to check this and solve the problem asap. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Severe new bug in firmware Q2D13?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I have been told that the Uruguay machines are supposed to have good battery holders, so my earlier suggestion about coin-cell batteries popping out of the holder might be incorrect. However, we have also seen a problem where some of the coin-cell batteries are defective, so it would be worthwhile to open the problem machines and inspect their batteries. The defective batteries might have visible corrosion. Even if it looks OK, as long as you have it open, you might as well put a meter on it. Mine reads 3.3V. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Severe new bug in firmware Q2D13?
That voltage has to be read with DC power and the main battery removed to be meaningful. There is a trickle charging circuit in play if there is any other source of power. wad On Apr 17, 2008, at 1:02 AM, Hal Murray wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I have been told that the Uruguay machines are supposed to have good battery holders, so my earlier suggestion about coin-cell batteries popping out of the holder might be incorrect. However, we have also seen a problem where some of the coin-cell batteries are defective, so it would be worthwhile to open the problem machines and inspect their batteries. The defective batteries might have visible corrosion. Even if it looks OK, as long as you have it open, you might as well put a meter on it. Mine reads 3.3V. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Building an image of a real OLPC
* Steve Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080417 03:21]: Is there any way do build a disk image of a physical OLPC for backup and development under an emulator Have a look at our XO-LiveackupCD http://dev.laptop.org/pub/livebackupcd Regards/AmicaLinuxement/Saludos/Viele Gruesse! Kurt Gramlich Projektleitung skolelinux.de -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG Key ID 0xE263FCD4 http://www.skolelinux.de ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Server-devel] [sugar] sugar roadmap
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Benj. Mako Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Martin Langhoff Personally, I have been dreaming of a mix between ion3 and Sugar's 4-zoom-stages. Talking with some hard-core ion3 friends, they seemed to be convinced that it was doable as a special configuration, binding the F1-F3 keys to full screen apps, and having a nested X in F4. Yes. This would be pretty simple. I'd be happy to help someone hack this up. Ion3 is extensible in Lua and a little bit of Lua will get tihs up and running pretty quickly. The whole plan would look like - Network-pane visual app on F1 - Network-local-resources+Friends visual app on F2 - Desktop mgmt app on F3 - F4 as an ion3 managed desktop with the whole concert of things managed by Ion3. Good to know that the Ion3 Lua part is doable and relatively easy. The visual apps needed for F1/2 are probably a ton of work. H. A weekend project for next time I have a weekend (next one up: Feb 2010 I think ;-) ). Maybe next time I'm in Cambridge we can explore it together if you have time+inclination... cheers, m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] [sugar] sugar roadmap
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Benj. Mako Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Martin Langhoff Personally, I have been dreaming of a mix between ion3 and Sugar's 4-zoom-stages. Talking with some hard-core ion3 friends, they seemed to be convinced that it was doable as a special configuration, binding the F1-F3 keys to full screen apps, and having a nested X in F4. Yes. This would be pretty simple. I'd be happy to help someone hack this up. Ion3 is extensible in Lua and a little bit of Lua will get tihs up and running pretty quickly. The whole plan would look like - Network-pane visual app on F1 - Network-local-resources+Friends visual app on F2 - Desktop mgmt app on F3 - F4 as an ion3 managed desktop What is the goal exactly? I can only spot two real differences from how the Sugar shell currently works: * In Sugar F1-F3 are a single window (hinted as a _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP), which avoids to have to use a nested X for applications. * With this approach activities would be managed by whatever controls ion3 provides. Is there anything I'm missing? Is the point to be able to run desktop applications? Marco ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] [sugar] sugar roadmap
quote who=Marco Pesenti Gritti date=Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 03:22:46PM +0200 Is there anything I'm missing? Is the point to be able to run desktop applications? Ion has the ability to launch different types of workspaces. There are three by default (although we could add to that). One of these is a floating workspace. It's rather bad, but it works, and I think it would be pretty cool to have as an option. Regards, Mako -- Benjamin Mako Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mako.cc/ Creativity can be a social contribution, but only in so far as society is free to use the results. --GNU Manifesto ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
