Re: Help regarding Sugar on Ubuntu

2008-05-23 Thread Waqas Toor
Hello, On 5/23/08, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/22/08, Waqas Toor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have changed fullscreen mode of Xephyr into 800x600, but now how to change the size of frames and icons ? I have tried changing sugar-xo.gtkrc file but nothing happens, any

Re: XO-2

2008-05-23 Thread Albert Cahalan
John Watlington writes: The loss of a keyboard is mourned. But so much of the activities the young kids that OLPC is targetting do are more manual and direct. Kids too young for a keyboard? That would be below school age. The desire to maximize display area (but clam-shell, not tablet, for

New joyride build 1975

2008-05-23 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1975 Changes in build 1975 from build: 1973 Size delta: 0.00M -olpccontents 2.1-0 +olpccontents 2.2-0 -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride-pkgs.html for aggregate logs See

Re: Help regarding Sugar on Ubuntu

2008-05-23 Thread Alex Belits
Waqas Toor wrote: 1024x786 becomes full screen mode in my ubuntu, what I want to do to make it a smaller screen size and the aspect ratio of the frame/canvas should adjust accordingly, Full screen mode does wierd things :) If you use sugar-emulator, this is a problem (I wouldn't call it a bug

Re: XO-2

2008-05-23 Thread Alex Belits
Albert Cahalan wrote: I can think of a few ways to integrate a keyboard with this new design. But then we continue the huge production/logistical problem of generating keyboards (and spares keyboards) for each country. For generating them, you could do something more like an ink-jet. Then

New faster build 1975

2008-05-23 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/faster/build1975 Changes in build 1975 from build: 1972 Size delta: 0.00M -olpccontents 2.1-0 +olpccontents 2.2-0 -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/faster-pkgs.html for aggregate logs See

Re: Release process

2008-05-23 Thread Simon Schampijer
C. Scott Ananian wrote: On 5/22/08, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marco and I (as well as Dennis and Bernie) had some long chats at the beginning of this week about how to work together to pull of the next release. At Marco's request, I've posted one important chunk of this

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-23 Thread Alex Belits
John Gilmore wrote: It'll be hard for OLPC to get multi-touch working when for the last 15 months they haven't had the bandwidth to figure out whether the current touchpad can do tap to click (ticket #959). But developers and users of devices built between now and then will write most of the

Re: [PATCH] Maintain a metadata copy outside the index (was Re: Datastore backup - request for help)

2008-05-23 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 6:27 AM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll diagnose a bit more and post back. I'm baffled. I initially suspected PEBKAC but it keeps happening. With the patch the DS gets renamed,

Re: [PATCH] Maintain a metadata copy outside the index (was Re: Datastore backup - request for help)

2008-05-23 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 6:27 AM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll diagnose a bit more and post back. I'm baffled. I initially

Re: [sugar] Help regarding Sugar on Ubuntu

2008-05-23 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
sugar.gtkrc and sugar/graphics/style.py Marco On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 12:03 AM, Waqas Toor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, I have changed fullscreen mode of Xephyr into 800x600, but now how to change the size of frames and icons ? I have tried changing sugar-xo.gtkrc file but nothing

F9 rebase (was Re: Release process)

2008-05-23 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 6:45 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A broken build is not a bad thing, as long as there is still a stable version for people to use. Linus' philosophy of development is valid here: the way to get bugs fixed is to get the code distributed. In my

Re: F9 rebase (was Re: Release process)

2008-05-23 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Note that afaik Sugar is not starting up at the moment in olpc-3. We should give dgilmore some help... Marco On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 6:45 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A broken build is not a bad thing, as

Re: F9 rebase (was Re: Release process)

2008-05-23 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Sure, that's the point. I heard that issue was already solved and that olpc3-16 would be coming out soon. Is there anything I can do? Thanks, Tomeu On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note that afaik Sugar is not starting up at the moment in

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-23 Thread Morgan Collett
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Alex Belits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Gilmore wrote: It'll be hard for OLPC to get multi-touch working when for the last 15 months they haven't had the bandwidth to figure out whether the current touchpad can do tap to click (ticket #959). But developers

Re: #7062 NORM Never A: TestTile does not alow 'random (5) = 3'

2008-05-23 Thread Karl Ramberg
Zarro Boogs per Child wrote: #7062: TestTile does not alow 'random (5) = 3' -+-- Reporter: karl| Owner: etoys Type: defect | Status: new Priority: normal

Re: XO-2

2008-05-23 Thread Morgan Collett
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 2:17 AM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now don't get me wrong, there are _huge_ UI feedback details*** to get right for a 100% touch keyboard, and it worries me that the current (and cute) Xo HW has so far such a poor and neglected trackpad, often close to

Re: Help regarding Sugar on Ubuntu

2008-05-23 Thread Waqas Toor
Hello, On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Alex Belits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Waqas Toor wrote: 1024x786 becomes full screen mode in my ubuntu, what I want to do to make it a smaller screen size and the aspect ratio of the frame/canvas should adjust accordingly, Full screen mode does wierd

Re: New joyride build 1971

2008-05-23 Thread Simon Schampijer
Simon Schampijer wrote: Mikus Grinbergs wrote: Now have the 'Circle of Activities'. But Journal does not start automatically. [Did not have Journal on Joyride 1970, either.] What are the steps to start Journal manually ? Thanks, mikus The journal is placed in /usr/share/activities

Re: Help regarding Sugar on Ubuntu

2008-05-23 Thread Alex Belits
Waqas Toor wrote: Hello, On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Alex Belits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Waqas Toor wrote: 1024x786 becomes full screen mode in my ubuntu, what I want to do to make it a smaller screen size and the aspect ratio of the frame/canvas should adjust accordingly, Full

Re: [sugar] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-23 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 23.05.2008, at 06:34, Alex Belits wrote: Right, it's to make a big announcement that addresses none of those questions, and provides no information that is going to be relevant to the public for at least two years (and likely longer because development timeframe sounds pretty

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-23 Thread Chris Ball
Hi Alex, That's assuming that non-OLPC developers will have access to hardware before it will be declared ready for deployment. Otherwise it will be like G1G1 -- first batch to outside developers coincides with first mass deployment, then everyone complains that deployment

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-23 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, It will be slightly more difficult to write (multi-touch) software for the XO-2 in an emulator or on a regular PC... I wonder if there are (or will be) any third party multi-touch input devices readily available for a similar effect. Multi stylus wacom tablets? The keyboard I

Re: [sugar] Help regarding Sugar on Ubuntu

2008-05-23 Thread Waqas Toor
Hello Marco, On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sugar.gtkrc and sugar/graphics/style.py sugar.gtkrc wont work, sugar-xo.gtkrc has the effects and I will check style.py also Thanks Marco On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 12:03 AM, Waqas Toor [EMAIL

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-23 Thread Morgan Collett
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 3:38 PM, Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, It will be slightly more difficult to write (multi-touch) software for the XO-2 in an emulator or on a regular PC... I wonder if there are (or will be) any third party multi-touch input devices readily

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-23 Thread Alex Belits
Chris Ball wrote: Hi Alex, That's assuming that non-OLPC developers will have access to hardware before it will be declared ready for deployment. Otherwise it will be like G1G1 -- first batch to outside developers coincides with first mass deployment, then everyone complains

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-23 Thread Eben Eliason
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Developer_program =) - Eben On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Alex Belits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Ball wrote: Hi Alex, That's assuming that non-OLPC developers will have access to hardware before it will be declared ready for deployment. Otherwise

Re: #7062 NORM Never A: TestTile does not alow 'random (5) = 3'

2008-05-23 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 23.05.2008, at 13:07, Karl Ramberg wrote: Zarro Boogs per Child wrote: #7062: TestTile does not alow 'random (5) = 3' - +-- Reporter: karl| Owner: etoys Type: defect |

Re: [sugar] Help regarding Sugar on Ubuntu

2008-05-23 Thread Eben Eliason
For what its worth (and I know this probably isn't easy, or we'd already have support for it), what we really need for useful testing/developing is a way to scale the output to the window as a post-draw operation. That is, render everything as though it were a 1200x900 screen, and scale to the

Re: Turkish keyboard layout

2008-05-23 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Kim Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are trying to finalize the Turkish keyboard and I would like to get any last minute opinions or thoughts. A number of people have already provided their input -- THANKS! Please see the updated Q keyboard layout for

Re: [sugar] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-23 Thread Karl Ramberg
Bert Freudenberg wrote: On 23.05.2008, at 06:34, Alex Belits wrote: Right, it's to make a big announcement that addresses none of those questions, and provides no information that is going to be relevant to the public for at least two years (and likely longer because development

Re: SSH DSA logins on crank.

2008-05-23 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Tuesday 20 May 2008 15:50, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote: I claim you didn't understand. And you were right. :) regards, Holger pgp5EvMNeXBFb.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org

Re: [sugar] Help regarding Sugar on Ubuntu

2008-05-23 Thread Waqas Toor
Hello, yes, I agree now after a little hack, sugar seems fine but now another issue :) when I use any activity inside it, it remain full screen e.g. 1200x900 whereas the resolution of my Xephyr terminal is 800x600 can any body point me to where these ratios( screen resolutions ) are defined in

Re: SSH DSA logins on crank.

2008-05-23 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Wednesday 21 May 2008 16:06, Chris Ball wrote: Yes. We have the openssh-blacklist package installed, which contains keyhashes of all possible weak keys and disallows logins using them. AFAIK not all possible weak keys, but only for the most popular arches and (definitly only) the

Re: [sugar] Help regarding Sugar on Ubuntu

2008-05-23 Thread Carol Lerche
Waqas -- After you fight your way through all these issues, could you make a wiki page that lists all the things you had to do to get this to work? I think lots of people would be very grateful. Carol Lerche ___ Devel mailing list

New joyride build 1976

2008-05-23 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1976 Changes in build 1976 from build: 1975 Size delta: 0.00M -kernel 2.6.22-20080408.1.olpc.de2a86ff3b60edc +kernel 2.6.22-20080523.1.olpc.28f4cb6e780db07 -xorg-x11-drv-evdev 1.2.0-2norel.olpc2 +xorg-x11-drv-evdev 1.2.0-3norel.olpc2

Re: [sugar] Help regarding Sugar on Ubuntu

2008-05-23 Thread Waqas Toor
Hello Carol, Yes I would love to add that, any body working on developer's documentation of sugar which contains sugar's core design and code, the sugar components page in wiki is very abstract :( --wt On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Carol Lerche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Waqas -- After you

Re: [sugar] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-23 Thread Todd Cranston-Cuebas
Thank you. This is exactly what I was getting at. Sometimes impression doesn't match reality but it really has to be managed. May open source projects flourished based on good PR and some excellent, superior technologies dwindle away when the feelings of the outside world are ignored. I'm not

New faster build 1976

2008-05-23 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/faster/build1976 Changes in build 1976 from build: 1975 Size delta: 0.14M -kernel 2.6.22-20080408.1.olpc.de2a86ff3b60edc +kernel 2.6.22-20080523.1.olpc.28f4cb6e780db07 -xorg-x11-drv-evdev 1.2.0-2norel.olpc2 +xorg-x11-drv-evdev 1.2.0-3norel.olpc2

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-23 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 23.05.2008, at 04:54, Jim Gettys wrote: On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 19:28 -0400, Andres Salomon wrote: If they put me in charge, I'd choose whichever CPU had the best performance, lowest power consumption, and lowest price - regardless of architecture. Change the ordering: power consumption

Re: No kernel messages displayed on 2.6.26-rc2

2008-05-23 Thread Denver Gingerich
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 2:03 AM, Alex Belits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Denver Gingerich wrote: For the record, this is the olpc.fth file that I'm using to boot from OFW: \ Boot script ro root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 rootdelay=1 console=ttyS0,115200 console=tty0 fbcon=font:SUN12x22 to boot-file boot

Re: [sugar] Help regarding Sugar on Ubuntu

2008-05-23 Thread Bert Freudenberg
The Etoys activity does that already. I'm not familiar with the Xephyr code base but hopefully it would not be too hard to add scaling. Another option is running Sugar in x11vnc instead of Xephyr and using a scaling VNC viewer. - Bert - On 23.05.2008, at 17:07, Eben Eliason wrote: For

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On 5/23/08, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Alex Belits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many developers were in that program, and how can one join it? Is it available now, between G1G1's? http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Developer_program =) There were at

Re: No kernel messages displayed on 2.6.26-rc2

2008-05-23 Thread Andres Salomon
On Fri, 23 May 2008 12:44:39 -0400 Denver Gingerich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 2:03 AM, Alex Belits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Denver Gingerich wrote: For the record, this is the olpc.fth file that I'm using to boot from OFW: \ Boot script ro root=/dev/mmcblk0p1

Re: SSH DSA logins on crank.

2008-05-23 Thread Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
Hi, On 23.05.2008 17:16, Holger Levsen wrote: On Wednesday 21 May 2008 16:06, Chris Ball wrote: Yes. We have the openssh-blacklist package installed, which contains keyhashes of all possible weak keys and disallows logins using them. AFAIK not all possible weak keys, but only for

Re: No kernel messages displayed on 2.6.26-rc2

2008-05-23 Thread Denver Gingerich
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Andres Salomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 23 May 2008 12:44:39 -0400 Denver Gingerich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any other suggestions? Has anyone successfully booted 2.6.26-rc2 from the laptop.org git on a C2 XO-1? Did you manually build that?

Re: SSH DSA logins on crank.

2008-05-23 Thread Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
On 23.05.2008 17:15, Holger Levsen wrote: On Tuesday 20 May 2008 15:50, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote: I claim [...] And you were right. Thanks for checking my math. Regards, Carl-Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org

Re: No kernel messages displayed on 2.6.26-rc2

2008-05-23 Thread Andres Salomon
On Fri, 23 May 2008 13:23:46 -0400 Denver Gingerich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Andres Salomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 23 May 2008 12:44:39 -0400 Denver Gingerich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any other suggestions? Has anyone successfully booted

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-23 Thread Jordan Crouse
On 23/05/08 18:00 +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote: On 23.05.2008, at 04:54, Jim Gettys wrote: On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 19:28 -0400, Andres Salomon wrote: If they put me in charge, I'd choose whichever CPU had the best performance, lowest power consumption, and lowest price - regardless

Re: No kernel messages displayed on 2.6.26-rc2

2008-05-23 Thread Denver Gingerich
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Andres Salomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 23 May 2008 13:23:46 -0400 Denver Gingerich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Andres Salomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you manually build that? Automated kernel builds are very

Re: No kernel messages displayed on 2.6.26-rc2

2008-05-23 Thread Michael Stone
Since I don't have root, the last command failed to build an RPM (it wants to put it in /usr/share/redhat/RPMS) RPM is happy to build things in user-specified locations. You may be particularly interested in the suite of rpmbuild path-setting options including: --define _topdir=/foo

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-23 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 23.05.2008, at 19:38, Jordan Crouse wrote: On 23/05/08 18:00 +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote: /me wants a graphics accelerator. Minor nitpick - you _have_ a graphics accelerator. What you really want is a 3D graphics engine. Be sure to keep the distinction seperate; lots of embedded

Re: No kernel messages displayed on 2.6.26-rc2

2008-05-23 Thread Denver Gingerich
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since I don't have root, the last command failed to build an RPM (it wants to put it in /usr/share/redhat/RPMS) RPM is happy to build things in user-specified locations. You may be particularly interested in the suite

Re: Release process

2008-05-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On 5/23/08, Simon Schampijer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm all for not landing broken code into joyride (which makes joyride the 'testing' branch of the debian triumvirate), ? Has this something to do with #7012: olpc-update ubuntu? No, it's just shorthand for a conversation we've had

Re: No kernel messages displayed on 2.6.26-rc2

2008-05-23 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 02:04:25PM -0400, Denver Gingerich wrote: Are these documented somewhere? http://rpm.org/max-rpm-snapshot/s1-rpmrc-file-rpmrc-file-entries.html (Also occasionally useful: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/drafts/rpm-guide-en/ch-creating-rpms.html) Note: I'm given

sysadmin vacation

2008-05-23 Thread Henry Hardy
I will be out of town and largely off the net from today, May 23, 2008 to Tuesday, June 3, 2008. Urgent issues which cannot wait for my return can be referred to Dennis (if they can be resolved remotely) or cjb. cheers, Henry Edward Hardy sysadmin, OLPC

Re: No kernel messages displayed on 2.6.26-rc2

2008-05-23 Thread Andres Salomon
On Fri, 23 May 2008 13:42:41 -0400 Denver Gingerich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] How do you compile the kernel? I'm not accustomed to using distro-specific targets for compiling a kernel so I basically take suggestions from others for the best way to compile an XO kernel. I considered

Re: No kernel messages displayed on 2.6.26-rc2

2008-05-23 Thread Denver Gingerich
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Andres Salomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 23 May 2008 13:42:41 -0400 Denver Gingerich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] How do you compile the kernel? I'm not accustomed to using distro-specific targets for compiling a kernel so I basically take

Re: Release process

2008-05-23 Thread Kim Quirk
Scott, I agree with the need for at least the four branches that you have described below. I would think the Support team would be most familiar with the Stable branch; the QA/Test team would do most of their work (especially system level testing) from the Testing branch; and the Development

Re: XO-2

2008-05-23 Thread Richard A. Smith
Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote: As I stated before on this list, bypassing P_THEFT is very easy. You don't even have to desolder the complete flash chip, one pin is sufficient. All of this is doable for less than $1 per laptop if you have access to cheap labor. $1 per laptop is _not_ expensive

comment on touchpad problems

2008-05-23 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
G1G1, Joyride 1971. Was visiting a friend. Apparently, he keeps his house less humid than mine. Noticed that when I waved my hand in the air some two inches above the touchpad, the cursor (e.g., in Terminal) would move around uncontrollably, and even jump. In fact, I had difficulty

Re: XO-2

2008-05-23 Thread Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
On 23.05.2008 21:37, Richard A. Smith wrote: Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote: As I stated before on this list, bypassing P_THEFT is very easy. You don't even have to desolder the complete flash chip, one pin is sufficient. All of this is doable for less than $1 per laptop if you have access to

Re: comment on touchpad problems

2008-05-23 Thread Richard A. Smith
Mikus Grinbergs wrote: G1G1, Joyride 1971. Was visiting a friend. Apparently, he keeps his house less humid than mine. Noticed that when I waved my hand in the air some two inches above the touchpad, the cursor (e.g., in Terminal) would move around uncontrollably, and even jump. [Back

Re: [Its.an.education.project] Constructionism (was Re: XP on OLPC - a contrarian view)

2008-05-23 Thread Eben Eliason
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Antoine van Gelder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19 May 2008, at 19:21, Albert Cahalan wrote: Are you serious? Are you really a Republican? No Child's Behind Left is the worst disaster in education in decades, as John Holt would have been the first to point out

Security and long life issues (Was Re: XO-2)

2008-05-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Richard et al, (I am passing this to the education list... because it is a mix of tech issues with issues related to the general policy about the XOs / and OLPC). I agree with the level of security that you are talking about. And I understand what are your concerns (some of them are valid for

Re: No kernel messages displayed on 2.6.26-rc2

2008-05-23 Thread Andres Salomon
On Fri, 23 May 2008 13:42:41 -0400 Denver Gingerich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Andres Salomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 23 May 2008 13:23:46 -0400 Denver Gingerich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Andres Salomon [EMAIL

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-23 Thread Jim Gettys
Bert... Part of the problem is the X driver model is pretty broken, causing much more to be done in software than should be necessary; and it isn't clear we're even using X efficiently at the moment... The driver stuff is getting fixed (in general in X: this is the EXA/DRI2 work); profiling of

[PATCH olpc/stable] Rate adaptation configuration via iwconfig.

2008-05-23 Thread Javier Cardona
Implemented rate adaptation support via 'iwconfig rate' API. It is now possible to specify a bit-rate value and append 'auto'. That will configure rate adaptation to use all bit-rates equal or lower than than selected value. Made lbs_cmd_802_11_rate_adapt_rateset a direct command. This patch

Re: Release process

2008-05-23 Thread Steve Holton
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Kim Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott, I agree with the need for at least the four branches that you have described below. I would think the Support team would be most familiar with the Stable branch; the QA/Test team would do most of their work (especially

Re: [IAEP] [sugar] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 2:18 AM, Alex Belits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then the announcement should be: Don't take it so seriously. It's a vision set of mockups, and the different technical aspects of how to get there will be fleshed out in time and discussed in [EMAIL PROTECTED] And when I say

Re: Release process

2008-05-23 Thread Jim Gettys
I will note that testing in Debian wasn't a good place to live for a very long time: it didn't get timely security updates, and consequently, no one ran it (so it got minimal testing, despite its name). I believe Debian has fixed this... We must avoid a similar issue.

Re: No kernel messages displayed on 2.6.26-rc2

2008-05-23 Thread Denver Gingerich
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Andres Salomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Andres Salomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Hm, can't say I've ever tried using make binrpm-pkg. Current master _should_ boot, but I've also been testing my own builds rather than

Re: [PATCH olpc/stable] Rate adaptation configuration via iwconfig.

2008-05-23 Thread David Woodhouse
On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 14:21 -0700, Javier Cardona wrote: Implemented rate adaptation support via 'iwconfig rate' API. It is now possible to specify a bit-rate value and append 'auto'. That will configure rate adaptation to use all bit-rates equal or lower than than selected value. Made

Re: [IAEP] [sugar] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-23 Thread Jim Gettys
Note that we *cannot* share much of the information about the possible alternatives we are examining for Gen-2 hardware until decisions are final; it is the basis of serious negotiations among competing parties, under non-disclosure agreements. The best we can do is share the conceptual ideas,

Re: [sugar] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-23 Thread Alex Belits
Bert Freudenberg wrote: But seriously, the new design needs to be anticipated by the developer community, development from now on should take into account the future hardware directions. So I for one hope that developers will be informed of anticipated hardware changes as early as

Re: [IAEP] [sugar] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-23 Thread Alex Belits
Steve Holton wrote: You missed a step. ;-) The 'what it will be' statement is usually derived from (and guided by) the 'what it must be' statement. Step 1 (the 'what it must be') is the list of Requirements. From the requirements we can dual track derive the possible implementations

OLPC grassroots events in June

2008-05-23 Thread Mel Chua
This was posted by SJ to the olpc-open and grassroots lists (http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/grassroots/2008-May/000403.html) but C. Scott and Chris Ball pointed out that some community members who may be interested might only be subscribed to devel - hence the forward. Of particular

Code hosting application

2008-05-23 Thread marcel r
Hello, I attached the application text and my public key. Keys generated with the patched openssl on my debian. Regards, Marcel Renaud 1. Departamentos 2. No Website 3. A small python/gtk educational game 4. Departamentos is a small educational app thought for small(1st and 2nd year)

Re: [IAEP] [sugar] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On 5/23/08, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note that we *cannot* share much of the information about the possible alternatives we are examining for Gen-2 hardware until decisions are final; it is the basis of serious negotiations among competing parties, under non-disclosure

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-23 Thread Alex Belits
Jim Gettys wrote: Bert... Part of the problem is the X driver model is pretty broken, causing much more to be done in software than should be necessary; and it isn't clear we're even using X efficiently at the moment... The driver stuff is getting fixed (in general in X: this is the

Re: Release process

2008-05-23 Thread Alex Belits
Jim Gettys wrote: I will note that testing in Debian wasn't a good place to live for a very long time: it didn't get timely security updates, and consequently, no one ran it (so it got minimal testing, despite its name). Except for Sarge. There was a three-year interval between Potato and

Re: [IAEP] [sugar] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-23 Thread Jim Gettys
Martin has a good point: we're still in the phase of basic things like processor selection. And one of the really major questions is what touch technology to use; Mary Lou tells me there are many different technologies out there at the moment; we'll have to make another big decision there at some

Re: Slides from the week's country meetings.

2008-05-23 Thread Gary C Martin
On 24 May 2008, at 00:13, C. Scott Ananian wrote: I could use help editing and transcoding the video. It appears that the DVD is cut into 10-minute chapters which don't correspond to the actual talks, so the chapters will need to be stitched together in kino or similar, broken at semantic

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-23 Thread Jim Gettys
On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 17:17 -0700, Alex Belits wrote: Jim Gettys wrote: Bert... Part of the problem is the X driver model is pretty broken, causing much more to be done in software than should be necessary; and it isn't clear we're even using X efficiently at the moment... The driver

Re: Turkish keyboard layout

2008-05-23 Thread Jim Gettys
On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 20:38 +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Kim Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are trying to finalize the Turkish keyboard and I would like to get any last minute opinions or thoughts. A number of people have already provided their input

Re: XO-2

2008-05-23 Thread Samuel Klein
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Watlington wrote: | On May 22, 2008, at 11:01 AM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: | GPS enables a lot of mapping and geography-related educational | activities, which is why it was originally considered for the

Re: [PATCH] Maintain a metadata copy outside the index (was Re: Datastore backup - request for help)

2008-05-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ouch, sorry, I should have been more explicit in that this patch introduces a dependency on cjson. I'm going to send next another patch that falls back to simplejson (slower) if cjson is not available. Ah, it was pebkac

Re: [IAEP] [sugar] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-23 Thread Albert Cahalan
Note that we *cannot* share much of the information about the possible alternatives we are examining for Gen-2 hardware until decisions are final; it is the basis of serious negotiations among competing parties, under non-disclosure agreements. Lest rumors of more OLPC secrets get started,

Re: [Its.an.education.project] Constructionism (was Re: XP on OLPC - a contrarian view)

2008-05-23 Thread Albert Cahalan
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 8:10 PM, Alex Belits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eben Eliason wrote: For what it's worth, I would be careful to portray the low-achievers and the brightest as opposites. As I note below, I frequently find that some of the brightest are also some of the low-achievers, due

Re: [Its.an.education.project] Constructionism (was Re: XP on OLPC - a contrarian view)

2008-05-23 Thread Joshua N Pritikin
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:39:11PM -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote: Do remember that No Child Left Behind is actually working. I don't pretend to be an expert, but certainly there are people who dispute the effectiveness of NCLB. http://nochildleft.com/

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Albert Cahalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You ended up with Lots of accusations :-( Have you successfully negotiated with hw vendors over innovative gear at very low cost in the past? We do make mistakes, and in some cases there are tradeoffs. It's part of doing

Release Process (Dennis' Take)

2008-05-23 Thread Dennis Gilmore
I have a few ideas on how we should do this. It is largely influenced by Fedora and as we are based on fedora and we *SHOULD* be working with fedora i think that should weigh heavily in in its favour. Major disruptive development and change happens in a development branch. when it gets

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
Typo - I should have written: Grandstanding about the mistakes made is cheap, with the advantage that most people aren't familiar with the issues at hand. Albert also wrote Minus the dollar figures of course, getting contracts out in public would be very good for you. Groklaw would be a

Re: Slides from the week's country meetings.

2008-05-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On 5/23/08, Paul Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: c. scott ananian wrote: I've posted the agenda for this week's country meetings, and slides from most talks, at: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Presentations/May_2008_Country_Workshop This includes Nicholas' talk on Tuesday where he