Re: [Fwd: Re: #7116 NORM Never A: Possible European G1G1 program needs appropriate keyboards]

2008-06-10 Thread Sebastien Adgnot
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 12:07 PM, James Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 11:28:34AM +0200, Sebastien Adgnot wrote: Do you have an idea of the minimum quantity required so the manufacturer could build laptops with localized keyboards? I'm sure they would. It

Trac jiggery pokery

2008-06-10 Thread Noah Kantrowitz
I did some minor updates to Trac so we can actually remove spam. If you see anything explode, please notify the proper authorities. On a related note, we now have to ability to force users to validate their email address before touching tickets. This is currently disabled, but do you guys

Re: [sugar] journal object transfer for 8.2

2008-06-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the questions are: is this a feature we should deliver for the 8.2 release? In my opinion, no. Do you think differently? Personally I

Re: journal object transfer for 8.2

2008-06-10 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
Le lundi 09 juin 2008 à 16:12 -0400, Michael Stone a écrit : Tomeu, have heard occasional requests to implement the sending and sharing of journal entries. It's a desirable feature but, from my perspective, it's much lower in immediate priority than work which brings the sugar UI

Re: journal object transfer for 8.2

2008-06-10 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Guillaume Desmottes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le lundi 09 juin 2008 à 16:12 -0400, Michael Stone a écrit : Tomeu, have heard occasional requests to implement the sending and sharing of journal entries. It's a desirable feature but, from my perspective, it's

cerebro in sugar (was Re: New, more realistic multi-hop network testbed)

2008-06-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought I covered this scenario quite thoroughly; cerebro enabled about 70 laptops to chat in a simple mesh, even without using an access point or a school server. I got no useful comments, nor was there any

Re: cerebro in sugar (was Re: New, more realistic multi-hop network testbed)

2008-06-10 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought I covered this scenario quite thoroughly; cerebro enabled about 70 laptops to chat in a simple mesh, even without using an

Re: OLPC: Open Organized Transparent

2008-06-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 9:55 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 02:50:30PM -0400, Garrett Goebel wrote: How many Full Time Equivalent hours does a given developer represent? A guesstimate: about 25 hrs/wk of coding and 30 hrs/wk of talking for social folks,

Re: Read Etexts now supports Text To Speech

2008-06-10 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 9:09 AM, James Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know there are several people interested in having Text to Speech with Karaoke highlighting be a built in part of the Sugar environment. Also, when I originally requested a Git repository for the Read Etexts activity Ed

Re: cerebro in sugar (was Re: New, more realistic multi-hop network testbed)

2008-06-10 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:06:17AM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still don't understand what's in the path to integrate cerebro into sugar. You proposed to change the API and of course you were asked to justify

Re: Read Etexts now supports Text To Speech

2008-06-10 Thread James Simmons
Edward, Ubuntu packages are already available for speech-dispatcher, espeak, and festival, so it isn't difficult to set up a demo. You can use apt-get. You would have to modify a configuration file to use the espeak module (not espeak-generic) and you would have to start speech-dispatcher

Re: Read Etexts now supports Text To Speech

2008-06-10 Thread Hemant Goyal
Hi Edward, Ubuntu packages are already available for speech-dispatcher, espeak, and festival, so it isn't difficult to set up a demo. You can use apt-get. You would have to modify a configuration file to use the espeak module (not espeak-generic) and you would have to start

Re: Games depending on OpenGL and GLX - any way to test on XO with regular OLPC image?

2008-06-10 Thread Daniel Monteiro Basso
Ok, it's available at: http://www.inf.ufrgs.br/~dmbasso/TinyGL4XO.tgz I just packed my git repository, so you may check exactly what the changes were. Although I don't have time to work on it right now, I'll answer any questions you might have. Daniel Benjamin M. Schwartz escreveu:

Re: cerebro in sugar (was Re: New, more realistic multi-hop network testbed)

2008-06-10 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:06:17AM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still don't understand what's in the path to integrate cerebro into sugar.

Software Status Meeting Tomorrow @ 1400 EDT, 1800 UTC in #olpc-meeting on freenode

2008-06-10 Thread Michael Stone
Note the return to original time: 2:00 PM EST, 6:00 PM UTC. Let's chat about G1G1 and our goals for August. Please reply with any other topics that are on your mind. Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org

Re: Software Status Meeting Tomorrow @ 1400 EDT, 1800 UTC in #olpc-meeting on freenode

2008-06-10 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 6:55 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note the return to original time: 2:00 PM EST, 6:00 PM UTC. Let's chat about G1G1 and our goals for August. Please reply with any other topics that are on your mind. OLPC-3 status. Marco

On Cerebro, Telepathy, yokes and whites (was Re: cerebro in sugar)

2008-06-10 Thread Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos
Tomeu and Marco, For the history, both me and another student from MIT tried to implement a connection manager back in January but gave up after a couple of weeks, even with significant help from Daf. We don't claim to be expert python programmers, but spending two weeks on something and still

Re: On Cerebro, Telepathy, yokes and whites (was Re: cerebro in sugar)

2008-06-10 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote: | 2) Make provision in both sugar and activities so that there is a clear | abstraction from telepathy so that _if_ a better collaboration stack | comes along, telepathy won't be hardcoded in sugar. This mainly |

Re: On Cerebro, Telepathy, yokes and whites (was Re: cerebro in sugar)

2008-06-10 Thread Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos
Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote: | 2) Make provision in both sugar and activities so that there is a clear | abstraction from telepathy so that _if_ a better collaboration stack | comes along, telepathy won't be hardcoded in sugar. This mainly | involves

Re: On Cerebro, Telepathy, yokes and whites (was Re: cerebro in sugar)

2008-06-10 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote: | Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: | Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote: | | 2) Make provision in both sugar and activities so that there is a clear | | abstraction from telepathy so that _if_ a better collaboration stack

TCP is broken in mesh mode

2008-06-10 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Networking experts, I have been fighting for several months with the fact that invitations often seem not to work, when running on a serverless mesh. The symptoms are quite strange. If an invitation works once between two laptops, it continues

Re: TCP is broken in mesh mode

2008-06-10 Thread Erik Garrison
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 03:03:06PM -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: ... With some help from Daf, we managed to get a tcpdump trace from two XOs exhibiting this behavior at 1CC. The dumps are attached to ticket #6463. ~ What we saw is bizarre, but also consistent with the behavior in the

Re: [OLPC Networking] TCP is broken in mesh mode

2008-06-10 Thread Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos
nice report. Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Networking experts, I have been fighting for several months with the fact that invitations often seem not to work, when running on a serverless mesh. The symptoms are quite strange. If an

Re: TCP is broken in mesh mode

2008-06-10 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, If an invitation works once between two laptops, it continues to work between them reliably. If it fails once, it continues to fail between them consistently. I think I've seen an analog of this problem but with activity joining rather than invitations.

Re: On Cerebro, Telepathy, yokes and whites (was Re: cerebro in sugar)

2008-06-10 Thread Ricardo Carrano
Like Michael pointed out, there are few people at OLPC who understand and enjoy telepathy. I think this is an understatement. Personally, I think that Collabora was very pressed to get something working on the laptop and the resulting presence stack looks like one hack on top of another. For

OLPC patches in xf86-video-geode

2008-06-10 Thread Jordan Crouse
I just pushed upstream the last of the outstanding patches from the OLPC Geode X driver. We should now be completely synced. From this point on, the OLPC images should consider using the upstream driver rather then the custom driver. If no issues pop up by the end of the week, then GIT head

Re: On Cerebro, Telepathy, yokes and whites (was Re: cerebro in sugar)

2008-06-10 Thread Ricardo Carrano
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote: | Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: | Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote: | | 2) Make provision in both sugar and activities so that there

Re: [OLPC Networking] TCP is broken in mesh mode

2008-06-10 Thread Ricardo Carrano
Ben, ~ The invitations are unicast, implemented using TCP. When machine A sends an invitation to B, we see the following exchange: 1. A broadcasts an ARP request for B 2. B sees the ARP request and replies to A 3. A receives the ARP reply from B and sends a TCP SYN to B 4. B does not see

[Fwd: Re: Peru Upgrade process]

2008-06-10 Thread Chris Marshall
Fixed mail server problem. This should go through. Apologies for dups. Original Message Subject:Re: Peru Upgrade process Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:54:14 -0400 From: Chris Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL

Re: On Cerebro, Telepathy, yokes and whites (was Re: cerebro in sugar)

2008-06-10 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like Michael pointed out, there are few people at OLPC who understand and enjoy telepathy. I think this is an understatement. Personally, I think that Collabora was very pressed to get something working on the

Re: On Cerebro, Telepathy, yokes and whites (was Re: cerebro in sugar)

2008-06-10 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * The abstraction layer needs to be accessible to non-python activities. Unless you want to expose it through DBus, you will have

Re: isolating cause of ticket 5848

2008-06-10 Thread Javier Cardona
Bill, On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Bill Mccormick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, I've tracked down some of the code that's causing this problem. (the syslog file is invaluable for debugging nm problems in case you have to do this again). NM is waiting for a netlink callback,

Re: On Cerebro, Telepathy, yokes and whites (was Re: cerebro in sugar)

2008-06-10 Thread Robert McQueen
Ricardo Carrano wrote: We need Jabber to be working too. For the infra scenario in the schools to work. But if we consider Cerebro an important part of our future (at least I do) we should dedicate more attention to it. I don't know about the arrangements between OLPC and Collabora. It seems

While we're on Cerebro, Telepathy, etc... Cerebro + bitfrost?

2008-06-10 Thread Jameson Chema Quinn
Somewhat off-topic, but I want to get this idea out there. Disclaimer: I am suggesting a mechanism for extra security that would build beyond bitfrost, when we have yet to implement the relevant part of bitfrost in the first place. If you think it is a waste of time to look beyond the next step,

Re: On Cerebro, Telepathy, yokes and whites (was Re: cerebro in sugar)

2008-06-10 Thread Kim Quirk
We are discussing this and the best use of resources to get to 8.2.0 and beyond. There will be many more discussions. I would like to figure out how to make progress on cerebro. Kim On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Robert McQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ricardo Carrano wrote: We need

Re: On Cerebro, Telepathy, yokes and whites (was Re: cerebro in sugar)

2008-06-10 Thread Robert McQueen
Ricardo Carrano wrote: On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote: | I thought we were talking about collaboration. MSN, IRC etc are | basically chat protocols. Cerebro has little to do with such protocols; | its goal is

Re: On Cerebro, Telepathy, yokes and whites (was Re: cerebro in sugar)

2008-06-10 Thread Robert McQueen
C. Scott Ananian wrote: I've got a concrete non-technical objection: kids at gamejams invariably want to write a multiplayer game. Almost none succeed. This tells me we need a better collaboration API. You can argue that this simple API should be *on top* of the lower-level telepathy (or

Questions about Customization Dirs

2008-06-10 Thread Michael Stone
A while ago, Walter mentioned that we'd like to be able to customize things like keyboard and internationalization settings. These settings are loaded by a program called 'olpc-session' maintained in the olpc-utils package. Unfortunately, when I set out to implement support for this feature, I

Draft support for a customizations directory.

2008-06-10 Thread Michael Stone
--- olpc-session |9 +++-- 1 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) diff --git a/olpc-session b/olpc-session index 2e3a4b7..280f4be 100755 --- a/olpc-session +++ b/olpc-session @@ -23,14 +23,19 @@ LANG=en_US.UTF-8 XKB_LAYOUT=us # We need to stop loading of certain GTK Input

Re: [Localization] [Fwd: Re: #7116 NORM Never A: Possible European G1G1 program needs appropriate keyboards]

2008-06-10 Thread Bastien
Sebastien Adgnot [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Because without an AZERTY keyboard, it will be hard to defend the project here. Not only here in France, but in many french-speaking countries. Most of them use an AZERTY keyboard. -- Bastien ___ Devel

Re: [OLPC Networking] TCP is broken in mesh mode

2008-06-10 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Trent Lloyd wrote: | 1. A broadcasts an ARP request for B | 2. B sees the ARP request and replies to A | 3. A receives the ARP reply from B and sends a TCP SYN to B | Thus I suspect the issue is the nodes simply have no direct | communication at all

Re: [Server-devel] EduBlog Revised Project Plan

2008-06-10 Thread Tarun Pondicherry
Hi Greg, 2 - I don't like the risk in the group edit and teacher review Teacher review should not be a problem to do in a few days, but group edit involves implementing things that I don't think Moodle blog/ ou blog currently support, so it will take longer. The only way around that is if we

[Server-devel] Grub, KVM and debootstrap

2008-06-10 Thread Tony Pearson
If the machine can be set to run the kvm-based virtualisation, you can run both F7 and Debian in separate VMs, providing both environments to Tarun. Martin, Thanks for the suggestions. I was not able to get dual-boot working properly. Somehow installing Fedora 7 next to Debian 4 clobbers each

Re: [Server-devel] EduBlog Revised Project Plan (Tarun Pondicherry)

2008-06-10 Thread Greg Smith (gregmsmi)
Hi All, Thanks for the comments and great progress! I'll try to respond to all open items in one pass. - On group edit. Thanks to Alex for the link and sanity check on collaboration support in Browse. I think we should let it go for this first implementation. When Browse does collaborate at