Re: XO keeps staring at its own belly button
Paul writes > if you disable that client, is the system UI response normal? I do not have a straightforward answer. I am seeing MUCH TOO MUCH variability in whether I see the sluggishness or not. So far, when I have paused the ever-running client, I've been seeing normal system UI response. But with that client running, there are periods of an hour or so when the system UI response is normal, and then periods when the system UI response is sluggish. [I can't swear to this, but I think I once experienced sluggish UI response right after booting, when the only session that had been launched was the Journal (nothing else!).] Someone mentioned looking with 'top'. So far, I've not been able to see sluggish UI response when 'top' is running. At least once, when the system response was sluggish, I could switch to the text console -- but I could not type any commands in at that text console (it never "echoed" the characters I had entered - it just gave me a new prompt when I hit at the end of a command). Because of how my system behaves in this matter is non-repeatable, I'm not going to be trying to troubleshoot this. I posted to "alert" others to behavior I had not expected -- not to try to "solve" that behavior. mikus p.s. Someone asked -- this is with a very recent Joyride ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO keeps staring at its own belly button
External swap area sounds cool. How does one set it up? I'll give it a whirl. -iXo On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 14:55, Andrew Burgess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/8/8 Ixo X oxI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I should also add another case. > > > > I have a customized install of firefox (download tarball, alias to run > out > > of /home/olpc). Sometimes when I run Firefox, and forget about the > limited > > memory size... after about 6 tabs of pages, the whole systems "molasses > > effect"... I suspect due to memory swapping madly to keep up. Soon after > it > > starts to bog down, sugar kills the activity and I see a suddent speed > > increase. :) > > Have you tried with a swap partition? Swap is robust now on a > SD card, immune to suspend/resume and power cycle. > > I use opera with many tabs and easily get 100MB swapped out. As > you say, it doesn't work otherwise. > > > I haven't tried this with the newer firefox.xo activity (with FireFox > 3.x). > > 3.x is supposed to have alot of memory leaks fixed... > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Wellington smoketest notes - joyride-2270
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Martin Langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We are actually still going through a few more tests. Switched from mesh to a standard 802.11g NAT'ted network (via a Macbook sharing its Internet) and followed up with network tests. - Tested ogg download and play with Browse. Works great and does pretty pictures. The images are a bit jerky, but nice. - Tested watching videos at http://olpc.dailymotion.com - seems to work, though zooming in the video while it loads caused an error (possibly an error of the gnash-based viewer, not of gnash or Browse). - Sugar: in the activities List View, the time column does not display "last used" (perhaps it displays install time?), and the counter does not match number of times used, nor number of documents (what does it count?). - Wikislice-animals-en-1.xol downloads and works correctly. It seems to open many Browse instances. - The Biology Phyla PDF worked great - though bug #6166 is still there. Learned about odd animals we would not want to eat. - Closing webbrowser, Chat.xo and PDF reader all give an odd "Keep error: all changes will be lost" - Started Record and started recording a video - it said "1 minute 58s remaining". While recording, the 'remaining' counter dropped steadily (as expected). When it got to 18s remaining, the UI froze. Clicking around made it snap out of it, and it saved the file. This does not repro consistently. - The screen rotate button is fixed. We were trying to avoid hitting it, and a little girl came up and pressed it before we could stop it. Seems to work reliably. - Record saved images in the Journal open as a file:// URL in Browse (!?) - Filling up on the disk -- log of one test using the journal, copying large files from usb drives. XO behaves mostly normal (with Browse and chat) up to 10M free (df -f says 11M free). At that point: - Attempts to copy more files appear to succed, but don't copy anything (does drag-n-drop copy hide disk full errors?). - Opening Write fails with no msg - Opening Record fails with no msg - Shutdown/restart via menu in home view fails - Poweroff via power button - On restart, the boot is very slow, stopping 30s with the "JFFS2 notice (295) check_node_data: wrong data CRC in data node at : read , calculated " msgs. Sugar comes up correctly, and tough I have not seen any msgs, there are 12M free. /etc/fstab still contains an entry for a usb drive that was unplugged while powered off. - As olpc user, cp -r Activities makefull - fills it up to only 9.9M free, and "no space left on device" errors. - Hard reboot - Sugar starts up correctly, df -h reports 9.7M free, Journal in home view reports 9MB free (though they are only writable by root). - Opening/closing Browse works - Opening/closing Write works - Deleting several large files (300MB OS images) from Journal works, but ties up the machine for ~30s, pdflush is pegging the cpu. So I think Sugar now behaves quite reasonably on disk full, modulo some details as per above. Two notes: - did not see any on-screen warnings - '9MB free' is misleading. Sugar/journal should read the 'free for non-root-users' value (F_BAVAIL) from statvfs instead of F_BFREE so users see a "0MB free". cheers, m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Wellington smoketest notes - joyride-2270
Big thanks to Brenda, Tim, Leonie, Callum, Tabitha & Stephen! Overall score - 2 confirmed bugs, 11 new bugs filed, several curious families educated on OLPC arcana. HW: 4 MP, 1 B4 SW: All on Joyride-2270 + default activities Network: all in Simple Mesh over channel 1 Other: several USB-key type disks, cable extensions, understanding cafe staff Testing log - we roughly followed the smoketest, with various diversions... - Opened Distance and shared - measured distance correctly in a noisy environment up to 1 meter. The cafe music interfered at more than 1 meter. - Measure fails to open - logs end with ImportError: No module named Numeric. (confirms #7771) - Tam Tam Jam - works! - Pippy 'sequence' - works! - Record - Taking a picture and displaying it works - Video capture & playback works but leaves the activity unstable - the next action will crash the activity. #7887 - Audio capture works. - Paint works -- with bugs - Bug: Cannot rename activity within paint (confirms #6220) - Bug: Cannot share it over mesh - other XOs see the shared activity name, but when joining see an empty canvas or an old painting of their own. #7888 - Bug: Cannot close Paint activities that have failed to join a network document. #7890 - Write works - Sharing works well - 4 in a session. - Invites worked! - Insert images from Record via clipboard drag-n-drop and from Paint via Insert Image->Journal works. Shows up correctly on mesh - One of 4 Write sessions seized up, taking 99% cpu. #7889 - Tam Tam mini -- does not work consistntly - Works on one MP - Does not start on one MP - the machine freezes hard, if I switch to VT right after starting TTm, the VT becomes unresponsive after 2s. #7885 - Did not make sound on one MP until rebooted. After reboot, tried Record, TTJam, Distance to see if any of them failed to release the audio channel, but could not repro. #7886 - Running Sudoku from a vfat-formatted USB stick gave an error: "Could not find the board menu or plugin execution error [OK]" which displays for ~2s, and goes away. Long delay in startup - it eventually starts. We also saw "Could not find the board menu /puzzle/sudoku or plugin execution error [OK]". Appears to execute twice. Filed under GCompris-activities - is there a more appropriate component for Sudoku? #7891 - Installed sudoku & maze to NAND via USB stick->drag&drop via Journal, they appear in journal, activities list, and once marked as favourites, in the ring. - Tam Tam Jam seems to hang after a bit of use. #7892 - Shared activities of a given XO continue to appear in the neighbourhood view of the XO itself, even right after a reboot with no activities open! In general, after ~2 hours and after various reboots the quality of the mesh interactions dropped quite a bit, and the neighbourhood/friends views were completely out of sync with reality. This seems to lack a way to revalidate or reset the status of the presence service. #7893 --- early on - Trying with various usb disks (vfat partitioned), all of them mount correctly -- dmesg reports them as mounted and accessing /media/ works, but some of them do not turn up in the Journal. #7895 Hope this helps. We are actually still going through a few more tests. It helped to ask people to read through the Friends in Testing and smoketest page before coming. cheers, m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Please help test our new 8.2.0 weekly beta, joyride-2263!
On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 11:20:23AM -0400, Daniel Drake wrote: > Please file tickets even if you haven't had time to get further info > yet. Thanks for testing! No time for that, I already submitted three other tickets already on unrelated problems, my purpose in posting to the mailing list was to report quickly without having to ensure the report quality was high. If I get time, I shall try reproducing the problem and raise a ticket. -- James Cameronmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
All activities (except Terminal and Journal) are always LTR despite the locale
After updating to one of the recent joyride builds (can't recall the
exact build, but somewhere in the last 2 days) all activities now are
left to right; toolbar is LTR etc..., despite of the local. Only
Terminal and Journal are RTL. Also, activities now doesn't respect the
default sans-serif font from fontconfig settings.
This all are new regressions that didn't exist before. Looking at log
files, I see lots of dbus.* messages that doesn't show in Terminal or
Journal logs, see the attached log.
--
Khaled Hosny
Arabic localizer and member of Arabeyes.org team
reserved credentials (1, 10003)
adding group: /usr/sbin/groupadd -o -g 10003 10003
groupadd: group 10003 exists
adding user: /usr/sbin/useradd -m -u 1 -g 10003 -c org.laptop.Edit.1 -d
/home/olpc/isolation/1/uid_to_home_dir/1 1
Creating mailbox file: File exists
dropping privilege to (1, 10003)
chdir to /home/olpc/Activities/Edit.activity
umask(0)
about to execve
argv: dbus.Array([dbus.UTF8String('sugar-activity'),
dbus.UTF8String('editactivity.EditActivity'), dbus.UTF8String('-b'),
dbus.UTF8String('org.laptop.Edit'), dbus.UTF8String('-a'),
dbus.UTF8String('8b02ad5dcafa5a433f9340535aa1ae39e51df2fe')],
signature=dbus.Signature('s'))
env: dbus.Dictionary({dbus.UTF8String('LOGNAME'): dbus.UTF8String('olpc'),
'USER': '1', dbus.UTF8String('PATH'):
dbus.UTF8String('/home/olpc/Activities/Edit.activity/bin:/usr/bin:/bin'),
dbus.UTF8String('HOME'): '/home/olpc/isolation/1/uid_to_home_dir/1',
dbus.UTF8String('DISPLAY'): dbus.UTF8String(':0'), dbus.UTF8String('LANG'):
dbus.UTF8String('ar_EG.utf8'), dbus.UTF8String('SHELL'):
dbus.UTF8String('/bin/bash'), dbus.UTF8String('XDG_SESSION_COOKIE'):
dbus.UTF8String('ecb4a2c428a5991f17bc3f004891b47f-1218232662.682088-499898785'),
dbus.UTF8String('SESSION_MANAGER'):
dbus.UTF8String('local/unix:@/tmp/.ICE-unix/1801,unix/unix:/tmp/.ICE-unix/1801'),
dbus.UTF8String('SHLVL'): dbus.UTF8String('1'),
dbus.UTF8String('ICEAUTHORITY'):
'/home/olpc/isolation/1/uid_to_home_dir/1/.ICEauthority',
dbus.UTF8String('WINDOWPATH'): dbus.UTF8String('3'),
dbus.UTF8String('SUGAR_BUNDLE_PATH'):
dbus.UTF8String('/home/olpc/Activities/Edit.activity'),
dbus.UTF8String('SUGAR_THEME'): dbus.UTF8String('sugar-xo'),
dbus.UTF8String('SUGAR_ACTIVITY_ROOT'):
'/home/olpc/isolation/1/uid_to_home_dir/1',
dbus.UTF8String('GTK2_RC_FILES'):
dbus.UTF8String('/usr/share/sugar/data/sugar-xo.gtkrc'),
dbus.UTF8String('SUGAR_BUNDLE_ID'): dbus.UTF8String('org.laptop.Edit'),
dbus.UTF8String('DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS'):
dbus.UTF8String('unix:path=/tmp/olpc-session-bus,guid=225c484a8dd82a0d9c821866489cc157'),
'TMPDIR': '/home/olpc/isolation/1/uid_to_home_dir/1/tmp',
dbus.UTF8String('XAUTHORITY'):
'/home/olpc/isolation/1/uid_to_home_dir/1/.Xauthority',
dbus.UTF8String('GTK_IM_MODULE'): dbus.UTF8String('xim'),
dbus.UTF8String('XSERVERAUTH'):
dbus.UTF8String('/var/tmp/olpc-auth/.Xserverauth'), dbus.UTF8String('PWD'):
dbus.UTF8String('/home/olpc')}, signature=dbus.Signature('ss'))
closing all fds but (1, 2)
{dbus.UTF8String('LOGNAME'): dbus.UTF8String('olpc'), 'USER': '1', 'PATH':
dbus.UTF8String('/home/olpc/Activities/Edit.activity/bin:/usr/bin:/bin'),
dbus.UTF8String('HOME'): '/home/olpc/isolation/1/uid_to_home_dir/1',
'DISPLAY': dbus.UTF8String(':0'), dbus.UTF8String('LANG'):
dbus.UTF8String('ar_EG.utf8'), 'TERM': 'linux', dbus.UTF8String('SHELL'):
dbus.UTF8String('/bin/bash'), 'XAUTHORITY':
'/home/olpc/isolation/1/uid_to_home_dir/1/.Xauthority',
dbus.UTF8String('SESSION_MANAGER'):
dbus.UTF8String('local/unix:@/tmp/.ICE-unix/1801,unix/unix:/tmp/.ICE-unix/1801'),
dbus.UTF8String('SHLVL'): dbus.UTF8String('1'), 'ICEAUTHORITY':
'/home/olpc/isolation/1/uid_to_home_dir/1/.ICEauthority',
dbus.UTF8String('WINDOWPATH'): dbus.UTF8String('3'),
dbus.UTF8String('SUGAR_BUNDLE_PATH'):
dbus.UTF8String('/home/olpc/Activities/Edit.activity'),
dbus.UTF8String('SUGAR_THEME'): dbus.UTF8String('sugar-xo'),
dbus.UTF8String('SUGAR_ACTIVITY_ROOT'):
'/home/olpc/isolation/1/uid_to_home_dir/1', 'UPSTART_JOB_ID': '3',
dbus.UTF8String('SUGAR_BUNDLE_ID'): dbus.UTF8String('org.laptop.Edit'),
'DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS':
dbus.UTF8String('unix:path=/tmp/olpc-session-bus,guid=225c484a8dd82a0d9c821866489cc157'),
'TMPDIR': '/home/olpc/isolation/1/uid_to_home_dir/1/tmp',
dbus.UTF8String('XDG_SESSION_COOKIE'):
dbus.UTF8String('ecb4a2c428a5991f17bc3f004891b47f-1218232662.682088-499898785'),
dbus.UTF8String('GTK_IM_MODULE'): dbus.UTF8String('xim'),
dbus.UTF8String('XSERVERAUTH'):
dbus.UTF8String('/var/tmp/olpc-auth/.Xserverauth'), 'UPSTART_JOB': 'rainbow',
dbus.UTF8String('PWD'): dbus.UTF8String('/home/olpc'), 'UPSTART_EVENT':
'started', 'GTK2_RC_FILES':
dbus.UTF8String('/usr/share/sugar/data/sugar-xo.gtkrc')}
1218232768.318456 WARNING root: No gtk.AccelGroup in the top level window.
1218232768.384715 WARNING root: No gtk.AccelGroup in the top level window.
** (rainbow-dae
New update.1 build 711
http://pilgrim.laptop.org/~pilgrim/olpc/streams/update.1/build711 Changes in build 711 from build: 710 Size delta: 3.41M -kernel 2.6.22-20080807.1.olpc.4c233ce8ed8f9cb +kernel 2.6.22-20080808.olpc1.4c233ce8ed8f9cb +dmraid 1.0.0.rc14-4.fc7 +kpartx 0.4.7-11.fc7 +libdhcp 1.24-4.fc7 +libdhcp4client 12:3.0.5-40.fc7 +libdhcp6client 0.10-44.fc7 +lvm2 2.02.24-1.fc7 +mkinitrd 6.0.9-7.1 +nash 6.0.9-7.1 +parted 1.8.6-4.fc7 --- Included dmraid version 1.0.0.rc14-4.fc7 --- --- Included kpartx version 0.4.7-11.fc7 --- --- Included libdhcp version 1.24-4.fc7 --- --- Included libdhcp4client version 12:3.0.5-40.fc7 --- --- Included libdhcp6client version 0.10-44.fc7 --- --- Included lvm2 version 2.02.24-1.fc7 --- --- Included mkinitrd version 6.0.9-7.1 --- --- Included nash version 6.0.9-7.1 --- --- Included parted version 1.8.6-4.fc7 --- -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/update.1-pkgs.html for aggregate logs See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride_vs_update1.html for a comparison ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO keeps staring at its own belly button
2008/8/8 Ixo X oxI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I should also add another case. > > I have a customized install of firefox (download tarball, alias to run out > of /home/olpc). Sometimes when I run Firefox, and forget about the limited > memory size... after about 6 tabs of pages, the whole systems "molasses > effect"... I suspect due to memory swapping madly to keep up. Soon after it > starts to bog down, sugar kills the activity and I see a suddent speed > increase. :) Have you tried with a swap partition? Swap is robust now on a SD card, immune to suspend/resume and power cycle. I use opera with many tabs and easily get 100MB swapped out. As you say, it doesn't work otherwise. > I haven't tried this with the newer firefox.xo activity (with FireFox 3.x). 3.x is supposed to have alot of memory leaks fixed... ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Anyone seen this error when using sugar-launch?
Here's the relevant part: > File "/usr/share/sugar/services/shell/activityregistryservice.py", line >90, in FindActivity >if name.find(key) != -1 or bundle_id.find(key) != -1: >UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 2: >ordinal not in range(128) The code in question is not unicode-safe or the locale is not set properly. Check out the use of the string "encode()" method in other parts of Sugar to properly convert unicode objects to string objects. Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Anyone seen this error when using sugar-launch?
Hi, I just installed build 708 on an XO and also installed the standard set of activities using the script provided at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Bert%27s_script. I can launch activities using their UI icons, but when I try to launch activities from the terminal using sugar-launch, I get the error below. Does anyone know why this is happening and how to fix it (couldn't find anything online that illuminated things :( ). [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ sugar-launch read Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/sugar-launch", line 38, in activities = registry.find_activity(args[0]) File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/sugar/activity/registry.py", line 121, in find_activity info_list = self._registry.FindActivity(name) File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py", line 64, in __call__ return self._proxy_method(*args, **keywords) File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py", line 136, in __call__ **keywords) File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/connection.py", line 607, in call_blocking message, timeout) dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.UnicodeDecodeError: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/service.py", line 692, in _message_cb retval = candidate_method(self, *args, **keywords) File "/usr/share/sugar/services/shell/activityregistryservice.py", line 90, in FindActivity if name.find(key) != -1 or bundle_id.find(key) != -1: UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 2: ordinal not in range(128) Thanks, Faisal ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO keeps staring at its own belly button
I test all the time and have never noticed this behavour. Regular release or joyride? Dwaine --Original Message-- From: C. Scott Ananian Sender: To: Mikus Grinbergs Cc: devel@lists.laptop.org Subject: Re: XO keeps staring at its own belly button Sent: Aug 8, 2008 11:43 AM On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Mikus Grinbergs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For instance - the XO has been sitting there for a minute or more > (in Terminal). I want to key in a command, so I start typing. > Nothing changes. I do *NOT* know if my XO is alive or dead. > Suddenly (after one or more seconds) the typed character appears on > the screen. My XO is alive, after all !! I have seen behavior like this, and every time when i switch to vt 1 and type 'top' I find that sugar-shell is attempting to use 100% of the CPU. I haven't succeeded yet in getting a backtrace to figure out exactly *where* it is stuck in an infinite loop. Has anyone else seen this (or better diagnosed it)? --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO keeps staring at its own belly button
I should also add another case. I have a customized install of firefox (download tarball, alias to run out of /home/olpc). Sometimes when I run Firefox, and forget about the limited memory size... after about 6 tabs of pages, the whole systems "molasses effect"... I suspect due to memory swapping madly to keep up. Soon after it starts to bog down, sugar kills the activity and I see a suddent speed increase. :) I haven't tried this with the newer firefox.xo activity (with FireFox 3.x). -iXo On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 20:20, Ixo X oxI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some more 2 1/2 cents. > > Sometimes when the storage is full (or near full), response time is down. > (check in Terminal with 'df' and see how much free disk space you have.) If > downloading large amounts of data, or in process of updating, could also be > the cause. > > Frequently, when I see such un-responsiveness.. likely I have clicked on > an activity icon twice by habit, they are both competing to start up. > > H... maybe this could be a feature request for 8.2.0 ? If you try to > start an activity while it is still already in 'loading' phase... prompt > with 'Do you want to run duplicate activities ?' or if the second click is > 'close too' the first click.. ignore.. :) > > While in Terminal, also check 'top' or 'ps' for running process... > 'uptime' to see the load averages. See if there's a different between > times.. > > Good Luck, > -iXo > > > On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 17:05, John Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > For instance - the XO has been sitting there for a minute or more >> > (in Terminal). I want to key in a command, so I start typing. >> > Nothing changes. I do *NOT* know if my XO is alive or dead. >> > Suddenly (after one or more seconds) the typed character appears on >> > the screen. My XO is alive, after all !! >> > [I have 'suspend' turned off. Using Q2E12f, firmware 5.110.22.p17.] >> >> This looks a *lot* like how an XO acts when Suspend is on. See if the >> power LED has gone off and just blinks occasionally -- that's how you >> really >> tell whether you are in suspend. Power LED on steadily = no suspend. >> Power LED off most of the time, blinking on = you're suspended. >> >> You have to look BEFORE you start typing. The first key you hit will >> wake it up again, but it takes the kernel about a second of powered-on >> time before it becomes responsive again. (We hope to reduce that >> significantly, but it's hard work.) >> >>John >> ___ >> Devel mailing list >> Devel@lists.laptop.org >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel >> > > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: comments on late joyrides re: rt performance
On 8/8/08, Daniel Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, this is exactly the issue described on the ticket. It is the cause > of some of the audio problems. I am in the process of getting patched > hal into the builds which fixes this. I already commented on the ticket but perhaps it's suitable for general knowledge: latencytop is a tool designed for exactly this kind of problem. http://www.latencytop.org/ There is an rpm in olpc-development and I was able to install it with yum but it wants CONFIG_LATENCYTOP set in the kernel config. vote++ to add this to our kernels (I created a ticket for it http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7875) On my home system, latencytop correctly fingered the 3ware driver as the cause of my video dropouts. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
New faster build 2273
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/faster/build2273 Changes in build 2273 from build: 2272 Size delta: -0.13M -hal 0.5.11-2.fc9 +hal 0.5.11-2.olpc3.1 -hal-libs 0.5.11-2.fc9 +hal-libs 0.5.11-2.olpc3.1 -sugar-presence-service 0.82.1-1.fc9 +sugar-presence-service 0.82.2-1.fc9 --- Changes for hal 0.5.11-2.olpc3.1 from 0.5.11-2.fc9 --- + Reduce polling of OLPC battery + Reduce polling of OLPC battery + Add battery info file to reduce polling of OLPC's battery --- Changes for hal-libs 0.5.11-2.olpc3.1 from 0.5.11-2.fc9 --- + Reduce polling of OLPC battery --- Changes for sugar-presence-service 0.82.2-1.fc9 from 0.82.1-1.fc9 --- + Update to 0.82.2 -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/faster-pkgs.html for aggregate logs See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride_vs_update1.html for a comparison ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [sugar] Please help test our new 8.2.0 weekly beta, joyride-2263!
On 8 Aug 2008, at 16:21, Daniel Drake wrote: > On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 15:45 +0200, NoiseEHC wrote: >> Speak cannot be started (the icon blinks for a long time and then the >> application stops starting). > > Please file a ticket. Already there, this one is down to package changes (Numeric in this case). There was some talk about a trivial one line fix in these broken activities (numpy related I vaguely remember). Did anyone making these package changes actually officially email the activity owners to let them know? http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7852 --Gary ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
New joyride build 2273
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2273 Changes in build 2273 from build: 2272 Size delta: 0.00M -hal 0.5.11-2.fc9 +hal 0.5.11-2.olpc3.1 -hal-libs 0.5.11-2.fc9 +hal-libs 0.5.11-2.olpc3.1 -sugar-presence-service 0.82.1-1.fc9 +sugar-presence-service 0.82.2-1.fc9 --- Changes for hal 0.5.11-2.olpc3.1 from 0.5.11-2.fc9 --- + Reduce polling of OLPC battery + Reduce polling of OLPC battery + Add battery info file to reduce polling of OLPC's battery --- Changes for hal-libs 0.5.11-2.olpc3.1 from 0.5.11-2.fc9 --- + Reduce polling of OLPC battery --- Changes for sugar-presence-service 0.82.2-1.fc9 from 0.82.1-1.fc9 --- + Update to 0.82.2 -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride-pkgs.html for aggregate logs See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride_vs_update1.html for a comparison ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: suspend on 'idle'
Hi, > One method also to keep the XO from going into 'keyboard-idle' > mode... Sometimes what I do, is hit one of the 'modifer' keys on > the keyboard to keep the machine awake. (i.e. Hand, Fn, Ctrl, > Shift, Top row function keys, etc) > I wonder if there's a method to simulate this in software, so one > could keep a 'console' window (2 or 3?) open running the > 'non-idle-keyboard' application and keep the laptop awake when you > want it ? :) Why not just `touch /etc/ohm/inhibit-idle-suspend`? - Chris. -- Chris Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO keeps staring at its own belly button
On 8 Aug 2008, at 15:01, Eben Eliason wrote: > 2008/8/7 Ixo X oxI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Some more 2 1/2 cents. >> Frequently, when I see such un-responsiveness.. likely I have >> clicked on an >> activity icon twice by habit, they are both competing to start up. > > Are you reproducing this on joyride builds? I'm pretty sure that > there has been logic around (since 656 or so) which specifically > prevents double-clicking from starting multiple instances of a single > activity. The new launching feedback in joyride is also supposed to > prevent this. If it's still possible, please file a bug. Yea, I just confirmed this regression with joyride-2269 :-( Here's the track ticket: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7876 --Gary ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
New faster build 2272
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/faster/build2272 Changes in build 2272 from build: 2269 Size delta: 0.13M -sugar-journal 96-1.fc9 +sugar-journal 97-2.fc9 -sugar-presence-service 0.81.4-1.fc9 +sugar-presence-service 0.82.1-1.fc9 --- Changes for sugar-journal 97-2.fc9 from 96-1.fc9 --- + added languages Norwegian and Slovenian + translation updates --- Changes for sugar-presence-service 0.82.1-1.fc9 from 0.81.4-1.fc9 --- + Update to 0.82.1 + dev.laptop.org #5618: PS should drop handles causing InspectHandles failing + Update to 0.82.0 -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/faster-pkgs.html for aggregate logs See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride_vs_update1.html for a comparison ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO keeps staring at its own belly button
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Mikus Grinbergs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For instance - the XO has been sitting there for a minute or more > (in Terminal). I want to key in a command, so I start typing. > Nothing changes. I do *NOT* know if my XO is alive or dead. > Suddenly (after one or more seconds) the typed character appears on > the screen. My XO is alive, after all !! I have seen behavior like this, and every time when i switch to vt 1 and type 'top' I find that sugar-shell is attempting to use 100% of the CPU. I haven't succeeded yet in getting a backtrace to figure out exactly *where* it is stuck in an infinite loop. Has anyone else seen this (or better diagnosed it)? --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: comments on late joyrides re: rt performance
On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 21:10 -0400, Ton van Overbeek wrote: > Here an other observation which might have something to do with this. > In joyride-2266 (booted from SD card) I noticed that there is a lot of > logging of the traffic to the EC. > Just do dmesg and you see a burst of about 18 olpc-ec: messages > approximately every 30 seconds. > Can this extra logging cause hic-ups ?? Yes, this is exactly the issue described on the ticket. It is the cause of some of the audio problems. I am in the process of getting patched hal into the builds which fixes this. Thanks, Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Please help test our new 8.2.0 weekly beta, joyride-2263!
On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 15:45 +0200, NoiseEHC wrote: > Speak cannot be started (the icon blinks for a long time and then the > application stops starting). Please file a ticket. > What started with 2263 is that when the system wakes the display acts > strangely. What I see is similar when there is a noisy (analog) TV > broadcast and horizontal distortions run trough the display in a > vertical direction. I see the same, sounds ticket worthy. > If I am in Browse and switch to the Neighborhood view then sometimes the > XO starts drawing the view and for a frame I can see the Browse then it > jumps back to drawing. It can be the same thing as the distortion thing > or dunno. Maybe a DCON bug or X uses wrong panel settings? Probably worth a ticket as well. Thanks, Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Please help test our new 8.2.0 weekly beta, joyride-2263!
On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 22:59 +1000, James Cameron wrote: > 2263 hung on a B4 and MP several times while I was testing this evening, > the mouse would not move, keyboard did nothing, the display would be > static, and no ping response. > > Things that I did that could induce it: > > - running a pygame program http://quozl.linux.org.au/k74/ (happened > twice, out of two tries), > > - doing an olpc-update joyride in Terminal, (happened once, out of one > try), > > - clicking to take a picture in Record, (happened once, out of one try), Please file tickets even if you haven't had time to get further info yet. Thanks for testing! Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
New joyride build 2272
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2272 Changes in build 2272 from build: 2269 Size delta: 0.00M -sugar-journal 96-1.fc9 +sugar-journal 97-2.fc9 -sugar-presence-service 0.81.4-1.fc9 +sugar-presence-service 0.82.1-1.fc9 --- Changes for sugar-journal 97-2.fc9 from 96-1.fc9 --- + added languages Norwegian and Slovenian + translation updates --- Changes for sugar-presence-service 0.82.1-1.fc9 from 0.81.4-1.fc9 --- + Update to 0.82.1 + dev.laptop.org #5618: PS should drop handles causing InspectHandles failing + Update to 0.82.0 -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride-pkgs.html for aggregate logs See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride_vs_update1.html for a comparison ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO keeps staring at its own belly button
i wrote: > mikus wrote: > > The sluggishness is not consistent. I particularly notice that at > > times, it can take more than three seconds before the XO responds to > > an alt-tab (after a period without any key presses). This XO has a > > background (nice 19) task running on it which consumes 100% of the > > available CPU cycles -- I'm wondering if there is some kind of > > what task is that? > mikus has informed me that he's running a @home client in the background. mikus -- if you disable that client, is the system UI response normal? paul p.s. could someone please design the icon that should accompany this thread? :-) =- paul fox, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO keeps staring at its own belly button
2008/8/7 Ixo X oxI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Some more 2 1/2 cents. > Frequently, when I see such un-responsiveness.. likely I have clicked on an > activity icon twice by habit, they are both competing to start up. Are you reproducing this on joyride builds? I'm pretty sure that there has been logic around (since 656 or so) which specifically prevents double-clicking from starting multiple instances of a single activity. The new launching feedback in joyride is also supposed to prevent this. If it's still possible, please file a bug. - Eben > H... maybe this could be a feature request for 8.2.0 ? If you try to > start an activity while it is still already in 'loading' phase... prompt > with 'Do you want to run duplicate activities ?' or if the second click is > 'close too' the first click.. ignore.. :) > > While in Terminal, also check 'top' or 'ps' for running process... 'uptime' > to see the load averages. See if there's a different between times.. > > Good Luck, > -iXo > > On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 17:05, John Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > For instance - the XO has been sitting there for a minute or more >> > (in Terminal). I want to key in a command, so I start typing. >> > Nothing changes. I do *NOT* know if my XO is alive or dead. >> > Suddenly (after one or more seconds) the typed character appears on >> > the screen. My XO is alive, after all !! >> > [I have 'suspend' turned off. Using Q2E12f, firmware 5.110.22.p17.] >> >> This looks a *lot* like how an XO acts when Suspend is on. See if the >> power LED has gone off and just blinks occasionally -- that's how you >> really >> tell whether you are in suspend. Power LED on steadily = no suspend. >> Power LED off most of the time, blinking on = you're suspended. >> >> You have to look BEFORE you start typing. The first key you hit will >> wake it up again, but it takes the kernel about a second of powered-on >> time before it becomes responsive again. (We hope to reduce that >> significantly, but it's hard work.) >> >>John >> ___ >> Devel mailing list >> Devel@lists.laptop.org >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > > ___ > Devel mailing list > Devel@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Please help test our new 8.2.0 weekly beta, joyride-2263!
2263 works for me. Something fixed the system crash made by Record I have experienced on 2230 (so I will not file a ticket for that). Speak cannot be started (the icon blinks for a long time and then the application stops starting). What started with 2263 is that when the system wakes the display acts strangely. What I see is similar when there is a noisy (analog) TV broadcast and horizontal distortions run trough the display in a vertical direction. If I am in Browse and switch to the Neighborhood view then sometimes the XO starts drawing the view and for a frame I can see the Browse then it jumps back to drawing. It can be the same thing as the distortion thing or dunno. Maybe a DCON bug or X uses wrong panel settings? My another $0.02 is that it would be a good idea to zip the .toc and .usb files together in every build since 1. Can be compressed to 40% and as such faster to download 2. The .zip file could act as a checksum (it is not too easy to checksum downloads on a windows machine...) Michael Stone wrote: > We are thrilled to announce a new test build, joyride-2230, valid until > Wednesday, August 13. > > Please help test it according to the detailed instructions at > >http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Friends_in_testing > > while we still have time to fix issues you might find! > > Our specific interest this week continues to be activity compatibility: > > "Does your favorite activity still run on joyride-2263?" > > Currently known issues are recorded at: > >http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Test_Group_Release_Notes#Build_Joyride_2263 > > New issues should be filed in our bug-tracking system (dev.laptop.org) > according to > >http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Submitting_bugs > > or by notifying us by other means. > > Thanks! > > Michael > ___ > Devel mailing list > Devel@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: comments on late joyrides re: rt performance
On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 08:57:06PM -0700, Deepak Saxena wrote: > On Aug 07 2008, at 21:45, victor was caught saying: > > I will keep testing, but I expect that this will also have an impact > > on TamTam. I wonder if more 'aggressive' RT preemption patches > > (Ingo Molnar's ones come to mind) would be something worth > > considering. I am not sure whether OLPC would entertain the idea, > > but I would very much like to see the RT performance improved > > one way or another. > > I'm very open to including Ingo's -rt patches in our kernel for > a future release if we see that it improves overall responsiveness > of the system. > These patches are surely useful for audio work, but I wonder if they will have a similarly positive effect on user interaction with the system. Could it be that the poor responsiveness we experience in Sugar has to do with the scheduling behavior of the gtk mainloop and not the kernel? A preemptible kernel on a machine of the XO-1's specifications should provide plenty of UI responsiveness. Erik ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO keeps staring at its own belly button
mikus wrote: > > This looks a *lot* like how an XO acts when Suspend is on. See if the > > power LED has gone off and just blinks occasionally -- that's how you > > really > > tell whether you are in suspend. Power LED on steadily = no suspend. > > Power LED off most of the time, blinking on = you're suspended. > > Thank you for the suggestion -- but this is NOT the case here. > > I'm well acquainted with Suspend - it has effects which interfere > with how I use my XO - so after installing I always do both 'touch > /etc/ohm/inhibit-idle-suspend' and 'touch /etc/inhibit-ebook-sleep'. > And my Power LED is on steadily -- showing I'm not in suspend. > > The sluggishness is not consistent. I particularly notice that at > times, it can take more than three seconds before the XO responds to > an alt-tab (after a period without any key presses). This XO has a > background (nice 19) task running on it which consumes 100% of the > available CPU cycles -- I'm wondering if there is some kind of what task is that? paul > keyboard service which expects the CPU to be "free" sometime? > > > mikus (Joyride 2264, with some newer rpms applied manually) > > ___ > Devel mailing list > Devel@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel =- paul fox, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Please help test our new 8.2.0 weekly beta, joyride-2263!
2263 hung on a B4 and MP several times while I was testing this evening, the mouse would not move, keyboard did nothing, the display would be static, and no ping response. Things that I did that could induce it: - running a pygame program http://quozl.linux.org.au/k74/ (happened twice, out of two tries), - doing an olpc-update joyride in Terminal, (happened once, out of one try), - clicking to take a picture in Record, (happened once, out of one try), Things that did not induce it: - doing an olpc-update joyride-2269 in a virtual console, I remain puzzled. I've run out of time and awareness to diagnose further, but thought I'd post my observations in case anyone else notices any correlation. Sorry. Not enough data yet. -- James Cameronmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: New Game Activities: COBBLE, Space Tag and Cell Management
Hi Mark, I'm interested to hear feedback from people here, but you may be able to get feedback from teachers and kids with a little more work. The most communicative user base is in South America. You can get the most feedback by sending your request to http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-sur You should send the e-mail in Spanish. Let me know if you want help writing or translating that e-mail. You should also make sure your activity is available in Spanish but you can ask for help translating it on the sur list too. If you need info on how to make it easy to translate your activity you can try the localization list: http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/localization The main English language deployment is Birmingham, AL but they aren't up and running in schools there quite yet. Another smaller one is in St. John in the Virgin Islands: http://waveplace.com/locations/usvi/ (they may need a personal visit come winter :-) If you want to hear from the US Give One Get One user base you can try posting something on our forum: http://en.forum.laptop.org/ and you can send something to OLPC News: http://www.olpcnews.com/ Its great to see developers reaching out to users in the alpha or beta stage of development! My only other suggestion is to contact your target user before you start coding. That way you have a vetted beta community and have the best chance to build something you know they want. Great looking activities! I'll see if my kids have a chance to look at them too. HTHs. Thanks, Greg S ** Hello, My student Nolan Baker and I have been developing three educational games (COBBLE, Space Tag and Cell Management) in Sugar this summer, and we would love to have your feedback on their alpha and beta versions. We've posted links to the .xo files on the main Activities page and have a wiki page for each game. COBBLE COBBLE stands for COllaBorative Board game Learning Environment. COBBLE can be seen as a game system, where we provide the pieces, and you provide the rules. Our goal is to make COBBLE as flexible as possible, so that users can play any game just by interacting with the objects and chatting about the rules in the chatbox. Currently working are the Die, which can be created and rolled. Cobble is in the alpha stage, more will be updated soon. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/COBBLE Space Tag Space Tag is a fast paced, action packed, playground thriller that's out of this world. Immerse yourself and a few of your buddies (after all, sharing is important) in an overhead pseudo 3D world filled with fuzzy physics. This was educational for us to learn about incorporating mesh into a game, and hopefully educational for students to read the code and learn about forces in physics. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Space_Tag Cell Management Our first game, to learn about development with Sugar. Aliens have abducted 6 species from Earth, and your goal is to coordinate their efforts to escape. This game is based on regulatory networks found in RNA and DNA transcription and translation. The full rules for Cell Management can be found at http://www.piecepack.org/rules/CellManagement.pdf http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Cell_Management Thanks for your comments, hope you find them fun and useful. Mark Goadrich ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Sugared Wine project begins
I'm including the Education list in a hope we can get some feedback as
to what class of MS-Windows programs are a high-priority. I cannot
imagine Word would be high on the list, but there are undoubtedly many
applications people are looking for...
-walter
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 2:52 PM, John Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> X86-based Linux systems have been able to run some applications
> written for MS-Windows for many years, due to the efforts of the Wine
> project (http://winehq.org). Wine is a GNU LGPL licensed implementation
> of the Windows API on top of X and Unix. It does not use any Microsoft
> code. Many popular free or proprietary programs run well under it;
> see the Applications Database at http://appdb.winehq.org/. Wine just
> had its 1.0 release in 2008; after 15 years of continuous development,
> it's getting pretty complete. Retail and corporate sale of commercial
> versions of Wine have supported two small companies (CodeWeavers and
> TransGaming) for many years.
>
> Wine already runs on the OLPC ("yum install wine"), but it's clunky
> because Sugar doesn't integrate well with it. So CodeWeavers and I,
> with the assistance of the Public Software Fund, have started the
> Sugared Wine project to improve that integration. See:
>
> http://wiki.winehq.org/SugaredWine
>
> Wine normally lets the X window manager manage its windows. That
> doesn't work well with Sugar, so CodeWeavers is improving Wine's
> existing alternative "full-screen" mode, in which Wine manages all the
> sub-windows that the applications create. This improvement also
> involves implementing the "Smart" menu that sits in the lower left
> corner for starting Windows applications, and the taskbar that lets
> the user manage multiple running Windows applications.
>
> The project will also package Wine as a .xo with all the usual Sugar
> goop. (Possible future work might include the capability to bundle up
> a single Windows application with Wine and goop to produce a .xo that
> would directly run that app.) We expect to be testing the port to
> Sugar using the Windows binary of Firefox 3.0, a pretty demanding
> application that also happens to be free. All of the work will be
> released under the GNU LGPL.
>
> For many purposes, like running MS-Office, the results of the project
> should compare favorably with dual-booting Windows and Linux. The
> Windows programs can merely run under Linux.
>
> The work is just starting, so it's a good time for early feedback on
> the technical goals and tactics of the project. Will the result
> proposed at http://wiki.winehq.org/SugaredWine be useful to OLPC's
> customers? What changes would make it more useful? What other
> programs should we be testing in the XO Wine? Would you like to be an
> early tester for the project?
>
> (Those who do not want to run Windows apps should keep their flames at
> home. Nobody will force you to run either Wine or Windows apps. Some
> good people need, or choose, to run apps coded for the Windows API.
> We may deplore it. But peaceful coexistence, plus superior technology
> and licensing on the GNU/Linux side, are our best path to compete with
> it for mindshare and market share. Most of the improvements being
> made here will be useful in other portable and embedded systems,
> making Microsoft OS's even less competitive in that market than they
> already are.)
>
>John Gilmore
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Re: XO keeps staring at its own belly button
> This looks a *lot* like how an XO acts when Suspend is on. See if the > power LED has gone off and just blinks occasionally -- that's how you really > tell whether you are in suspend. Power LED on steadily = no suspend. > Power LED off most of the time, blinking on = you're suspended. Thank you for the suggestion -- but this is NOT the case here. I'm well acquainted with Suspend - it has effects which interfere with how I use my XO - so after installing I always do both 'touch /etc/ohm/inhibit-idle-suspend' and 'touch /etc/inhibit-ebook-sleep'. And my Power LED is on steadily -- showing I'm not in suspend. The sluggishness is not consistent. I particularly notice that at times, it can take more than three seconds before the XO responds to an alt-tab (after a period without any key presses). This XO has a background (nice 19) task running on it which consumes 100% of the available CPU cycles -- I'm wondering if there is some kind of keyboard service which expects the CPU to be "free" sometime? mikus (Joyride 2264, with some newer rpms applied manually) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Please help test our new 8.2.0 weekly beta, joyride-2263!
> The bottleneck is in the XO hardware that all of the tests run on (and > the number of tests we choose to do), rather than in hardware that we > can upgrade. I wonder if there is some way to parallelize this across multiple XOs? Not ever XO running every test? Presumably multiple XOs are not the bottleneck any more. -walter ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO keeps staring at its own belly button
:-) ok... 8.3.0 then.. lol. -iXo 2008/8/8 Christoph Derndorfer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On 8/8/08, Ixo X oxI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Some more 2 1/2 cents. >> >> Sometimes when the storage is full (or near full), response time is down. >> (check in Terminal with 'df' and see how much free disk space you have.) If >> downloading large amounts of data, or in process of updating, could also be >> the cause. >> >> Frequently, when I see such un-responsiveness.. likely I have clicked on >> an activity icon twice by habit, they are both competing to start up. >> >> H... maybe this could be a feature request for 8.2.0 ? If you try to >> start an activity while it is still already in 'loading' phase... prompt >> with 'Do you want to run duplicate activities ?' or if the second click is >> 'close too' the first click.. ignore.. :) >> > > IIRC something like was already discussed either here or on sugar a couple > of weeks ago. But of course I can't find the link to the thread now. > > And another note (not specifically directed at you Ixo!): Let us all stop > trying to push every little thing into 8.2.0! > > Cheers, > Christoph > > > While in Terminal, also check 'top' or 'ps' for running process... >> 'uptime' to see the load averages. See if there's a different between >> times.. >> >> Good Luck, >> -iXo >> >> On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 17:05, John Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> > For instance - the XO has been sitting there for a minute or more >>> > (in Terminal). I want to key in a command, so I start typing. >>> > Nothing changes. I do *NOT* know if my XO is alive or dead. >>> > Suddenly (after one or more seconds) the typed character appears on >>> > the screen. My XO is alive, after all !! >>> >>> > [I have 'suspend' turned off. Using Q2E12f, firmware 5.110.22.p17.] >>> >>> >>> This looks a *lot* like how an XO acts when Suspend is on. See if the >>> power LED has gone off and just blinks occasionally -- that's how you >>> really >>> tell whether you are in suspend. Power LED on steadily = no suspend. >>> Power LED off most of the time, blinking on = you're suspended. >>> >>> You have to look BEFORE you start typing. The first key you hit will >>> wake it up again, but it takes the kernel about a second of powered-on >>> time before it becomes responsive again. (We hope to reduce that >>> significantly, but it's hard work.) >>> >>>John >>> ___ >>> Devel mailing list >>> Devel@lists.laptop.org >>> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel >>> >>> >> >> >> ___ >> Devel mailing list >> Devel@lists.laptop.org >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel >> >> > > > -- > Christoph Derndorfer > co-editor, olpcnews > url: www.olpcnews.com > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ > Devel mailing list > Devel@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Please help test our new 8.2.0 weekly beta, joyride-2263!
On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 07:33, Martin Langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Martin Langhoff > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> is there a better / handier way? > > On first boot, it found my local School Server and up a big "Software > Update" window popped, and said "do you want to install all these > activities". > > Colour me impressed. Bravo! > > Now, who's coded this up? I am keen on devising a way to fetch the > activities locally (if an XS is present) via http or rsync. You must be talking about C.Scott's software updater control panel thingy. Regards Morgan ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: suspend on 'idle'
2008/8/8 Ixo X oxI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > One method also to keep the XO from going into 'keyboard-idle' mode... > > Sometimes what I do, is hit one of the 'modifer' keys on the keyboard to > keep the machine awake. (i.e. Hand, Fn, Ctrl, Shift, Top row function keys, > etc) > > I wonder if there's a method to simulate this in software, so one could keep > a 'console' window (2 or 3?) open running the 'non-idle-keyboard' > application and keep the laptop awake when you want it ? :) http://xkcd.com/196/ :) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO keeps staring at its own belly button
On 8/8/08, Ixo X oxI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Some more 2 1/2 cents. > > Sometimes when the storage is full (or near full), response time is down. > (check in Terminal with 'df' and see how much free disk space you have.) If > downloading large amounts of data, or in process of updating, could also be > the cause. > > Frequently, when I see such un-responsiveness.. likely I have clicked on > an activity icon twice by habit, they are both competing to start up. > > H... maybe this could be a feature request for 8.2.0 ? If you try to > start an activity while it is still already in 'loading' phase... prompt > with 'Do you want to run duplicate activities ?' or if the second click is > 'close too' the first click.. ignore.. :) > IIRC something like was already discussed either here or on sugar a couple of weeks ago. But of course I can't find the link to the thread now. And another note (not specifically directed at you Ixo!): Let us all stop trying to push every little thing into 8.2.0! Cheers, Christoph While in Terminal, also check 'top' or 'ps' for running process... > 'uptime' to see the load averages. See if there's a different between > times.. > > Good Luck, > -iXo > > On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 17:05, John Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > For instance - the XO has been sitting there for a minute or more >> > (in Terminal). I want to key in a command, so I start typing. >> > Nothing changes. I do *NOT* know if my XO is alive or dead. >> > Suddenly (after one or more seconds) the typed character appears on >> > the screen. My XO is alive, after all !! >> >> > [I have 'suspend' turned off. Using Q2E12f, firmware 5.110.22.p17.] >> >> >> This looks a *lot* like how an XO acts when Suspend is on. See if the >> power LED has gone off and just blinks occasionally -- that's how you >> really >> tell whether you are in suspend. Power LED on steadily = no suspend. >> Power LED off most of the time, blinking on = you're suspended. >> >> You have to look BEFORE you start typing. The first key you hit will >> wake it up again, but it takes the kernel about a second of powered-on >> time before it becomes responsive again. (We hope to reduce that >> significantly, but it's hard work.) >> >>John >> ___ >> Devel mailing list >> Devel@lists.laptop.org >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel >> >> > > > ___ > Devel mailing list > Devel@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Requesting test help for OFW development release
On 8/6/08, Mitch Bradley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > John Gilmore wrote: > >> ok wifi my-ssid > >> ok flash http:\\dev.laptop.org\~wmb > >> > > > > This didn't work; it required saying: > > > > > >> ok flash http:\\dev.laptop.org\~wmb\q2e12f.rom > >> > > > > > > It is my policy to include at least one mistake in every set of > instructions, to keep readers on their toes. At least that is the > excuse I'm going with today. > > > > > Once I'd flashed it, it doesn't complain about either my tiny 4GB > > microSD-to-USB reader, nor about the 2GB reader that preceded it. > > > > However, if my older 2GB PQI SD card is plugged into the XO's SD > > slot, it does complain: > > > > Error: Unknown file system > > Can't open disk label package > > > > and then boots from NAND. > > > > That's because that SD card's partition 1 is full of gibberish. I guess > > it's working! > > > > Sounds good. I guess I'll declare victory on this one. The response > from my request for testers was disappointing. Sorry, I just stumbled across this thread today... Wrt testing related thing I'd suggest copying the testing mailing-list ( http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/testing) as it's much lower volume and therefore easier to keep track of things and actually read most messages in a timely manner. Also I think that including your request for testing in Michael's weekly-beta mailing would make sense. Just my 2 cents, Christoph > John > > > > > > > > ___ > Devel mailing list > Devel@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Please help test our new 8.2.0 weekly beta, joyride-2263!
> On first boot, it found my local School Server and up a big "Software > Update" window popped, and said "do you want to install all these > activities". > > Colour me impressed. Bravo! > > Now, who's coded this up? I am keen on devising a way to fetch the > activities locally (if an XS is present) via http or rsync. I have an idea -- let's put the same set of activities that it would fetch (locally or over the Internet) right into the OS flash image. John ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
