Hosting request: Panorama

2008-10-12 Thread Nirav Patel
1. Project name :Panorama
2. Existing website, if any :  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Panorama
3. One-line description : A panorama stitching activity

4. Longer description   : An auto panorama stitcher that can upload the
: captured panoramas to a central website
of some kind.

5. URLs of similar projects :
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Panorama_camera_activity

6. Committer list
   Please list the maintainer (lead developer) as the first entry. Only list
   developers who need to be given accounts so that they can commit to your
   project's code repository, or push their own. There is no need to list
   non-committer developers.

  Username   Full name SSH2 key URLE-mail
     - --
   #1   nrp   Nirav Patel  http://n0r.org/id_rsa.pub
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   #2
   #3
  ...

   If any developers don't have their SSH2 keys on the web, please attach them
   to the application e-mail.

7. Preferred development model

   [X] Central tree. Every developer can push his changes directly to the
   project's git tree. This is the standard model that will be familiar to
   CVS and Subversion users, and that tends to work well for most projects.

   [ ] Maintainer-owned tree. Every developer creates his own git tree, or
   multiple git trees. He periodically asks the maintainer to look at one
   or more of these trees, and merge changes into the maintainer-owned,
   main tree. This is the model used by the Linux kernel, and is
   well-suited to projects wishing to maintain a tighter control on code
   entering the main tree.

   If you choose the maintainer-owned tree model, but wish to set up some
   shared trees where all of your project's committers can commit directly,
   as might be the case with a discussion tree, or a tree for an individual
   feature, you may send us such a request by e-mail, and we will set up the
   tree for you.

8. Set up a project mailing list:

   [ ] Yes, named after our project name
   [ ] Yes, named __
   [X] No

   When your project is just getting off the ground, we suggest you eschew
   a separate mailing list and instead keep discussion about your project
   on the main OLPC development list. This will give you more input and
   potentially attract more developers to your project; when the volume of
   messages related to your project reaches some critical mass, we can
   trivially create a separate mailing list for you.

   If you need multiple lists, let us know. We discourage having many
   mailing lists for smaller projects, as this tends to
   stunt the growth of your project community. You can always add more lists
   later.

9. Commit notifications

   [ ] Notification of commits to the main tree should be e-mailed to the list
   we chose to create above
   [ ] A separate mailing list, projectname-git, should be created for commit
   notifications
   [X] No commit notifications, please

10. Shell accounts

   As a general rule, we don't provide shell accounts to developers unless
   there's a demonstrated need. If you have one, please explain here, and
   list the usernames of the committers above needing shell access.

11. Translation
   [X] Set up the laptop.org Pootle server to allow translation
commits to be made
   [ ] Translation arrangements have already been made at ___

12. Notes/comments:
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Re: [OLPC-Games] Play Go issues for laptop

2008-10-12 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 11:02 PM, Paul Barchilon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Walter and Edward,

 Thanks for the info.  I spent about four hours trying to get Qemu and Sugar
 to run on my system, through various configurations, with no luck.  It is
 frustrating because it comes very close.  I make it through the initial
 welcome panel for the laptop, enter a black screen where scores of things
 launch with an OK, and then end up with a fatal error at the end.  I am
 attaching a screen shot, hopefully it will make sense to someone on this
 list.

 As I said before, I am not a computer programmer.  I can't execute any of
 the commands Edward mentions, I have no clue how to do that.

That would be for Ubuntu Linux, so no help there. When somebody ports
Sugar to BSD (a substantial project) it will become practical to run
under MacOS.

I read the
 wiki and followed all of the directions on the page Walter sent me to.

 My operating system is Mac OS 10.5.5.  Qemu seems to work without any
 trouble.  The final screen mentions something about failing to load the
 Keyboard module.  I tried it with a different keyboard just in case that was
 the problem, but no luck.  My only keyboard options are USB, hopefully that
 is not the issue.

What was the exact command you used? Sometimes it is a matter of the
correct command-line options. I don't know how that works, but others
here do.

 I also burned a disc image, but Macs can't launch anything other than Mac
 systems from a restart, and Qemu faults, as described above, from the CD
 too.

I have in the past booted and run a LiveCD of Sugar/Linux on an X86
Mac. At an International Macintosh User Group meeting in Apple
headquarters, as it happens. I'm scheduled to speak there again next
week. I'll see what I can find out.

 http://barchilonceramics.com

 Paul Barchilon
 1005 36th St.
 Boulder, CO 80303-2139
 303-440-7124





 On Oct 11, 2008, at 8:30 AM, Walter Bender wrote:

 You can run Sugar (and PlayGo) without an XO laptop. See
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Supported_systems for some options.

 regards.

 -walter

 On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 1:12 AM, Paul Barchilon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 Hi Andres, and Edward,
 Great to hear from both of you!  We have been very excited about this
 project from the beginning, and would be glad to offer any assistance we
 can.  Roy, Terry and I work closely together, so we have all been
 discussing
 your project.  I have good news for you, and then several questions.  The
 kid I got to look at the latest version was delighted with it his message
 is
 below:
 Fromleinad
 Date10/10/2008 22:03
 SubjectRE: Play Go
 THIS IS A REALLY BIG STEP UP FROM THE OLD PROGRAM!!!

 the ai is not half bad and might beat me... you can pass, it enforces ko
 and
 calculates the score... you can refresh the game without exiting out, you
 have a choice of 19x19, 13x13, or 9x9, and you can undo there is a
 problem that i cannot really discribe but i will try to get some
 screenshots... it does not inhibit game play in any way due to the undo
 capability.

 i really think the ai would have beaten me but i stopped playing...
 then i played a 9x9 game and it did beat me but it filled in a lot of
 unnecessary points at the end...  i need to practice more...

 they should include numbers and letters around the edges...
 I think he is 12 or 13, I know him through our website but have never met
 him.  He was pretty disappointed with the initial release, so clearly you
 guys are working on the right things.
 Is there a way for me to run your program on my computer so I can look at
 it?  I downloaded the latest version of PlayGo, but as I do not have one
 of
 your laptops I can't do anything with it.  I am running Mac OS 10.5 on a
 new
 intel iMac.  I have an application that can port some Windows
 applications
 on my Mac also.
 As for using our learn to play section from the website, please feel
 free.
 I personally wrote everything, and we own the drawings as well.  If you
 could credit the AGF and provide a link to Tiger's Mouth that would be
 great.   What would really be ideal is an interactive learn to play
 module
 that teaches kids how to play.  There is a good one online already, I
 link
 to it from our learn to play page.  If you didn't click on it, the link
 is
 here:
 http://www.playgo.to/interactive/index.html  It is also already available
 in
 some 30 languages, so you could save yourself some trouble by using what
 has
 already been done.  The interactive way to go was written by Hiroki Mori,
 I
 am sure he would be completely supportive of OLPC.  His contact info is
 on
 the website.  I would also be happy to work on a learn to play interface
 for
 your program if that were more feasible for an end product.
 What materials describe the application to laptop users, and entice them
 to
 explore it?  My understanding was that it needs to be downloaded
 separately
 from the main package.  Is that the case or is it bundled with everything
 else?
 

Serious -- Bug in Wiki-browse/Rainbow in gg-767-4

2008-10-12 Thread Seth Woodworth
http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8814

 This is a pretty big deal.

1.) imaged a machine using the salute method via usb to gg-767-4.

2.) Launch wiki-browse

3.) Click on 'technology' category link (this link important?)

4.) hangs and/or popup window complaining about a Rainbow Policy Issue.

5.) Close and reopen

6.) Rainbow Policy Issue window comes back up.

I grabbed another machine and attempted the activity again and got roughly
the same result.

Did we test this on secured machines? What's the issue here? This is pretty
fantastic considering we spent so much of our disk size for the activity.
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Re: Panorama activity

2008-10-12 Thread Nirav Patel
That sounds like a much better idea.  I'll try to set up something
like that on my webserver, though I'll have to move elsewhere if the
activity gains any kind of popularity.  It still leaves the problem of
the images uploading to my personal Flickr account though.  I think
having a Panorama Collection or Set on the OLPC Flickr account would
be nice.

Also, I uploaded the pre-alpha bundle: http://eclecti.cc/files/Panorama-1.xo

Nirav

On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 1:39 AM, Brian Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Maybe one could set up a one-way upload script for this on dev (or
 some appropriate
 community-developed-web-services-server-of-the-future)? This script,
 then, could handle the uploading via flickr API securely.

 Regards
 Brian
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VideoChat is working now - hooray!

2008-10-12 Thread Pia Waugh
Hi all,

We now have Videochat v9 which works. This is a great thing that will help
children connect, and in particular help with remote support for children.
It could assist with eHealth, remote education, speech therapy and any
number of useful functions.

Anyway, it also needs more hacking, so anyone interested in helping should
have a play and get involved. Currently it only does basic video
conferencing between 2 laptops but the vision (as it states on the webpage)
is for whiteboard functionality and more.

Anyway, thought there would probably be a few of you for whom this would be
useful :)

Download and information:

  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Video_Chat

Cheers,
Pia

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Re: VideoChat is working now - hooray!

2008-10-12 Thread Arjun Sarwal
Thanks Pia for this update. Am forwarding to the OLPC Health mailing list too...

Arjun

On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Pia Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all,

 We now have Videochat v9 which works. This is a great thing that will help
 children connect, and in particular help with remote support for children.
 It could assist with eHealth, remote education, speech therapy and any
 number of useful functions.

 Anyway, it also needs more hacking, so anyone interested in helping should
 have a play and get involved. Currently it only does basic video
 conferencing between 2 laptops but the vision (as it states on the webpage)
 is for whiteboard functionality and more.

 Anyway, thought there would probably be a few of you for whom this would be
 useful :)

 Download and information:

  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Video_Chat

 Cheers,
 Pia

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Some feedback from your responses to: notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-12 Thread elana langer
Thanks for all these suggestions. This is helpful. In many cases the
local team here came up with similar solutions to cope with the
existing tech problems. (like saving to a USB etc.)

Reuben and Tyler have been great at suggesting 'fixes' to those
problems. What I am trying to offer the developer community are the
major issues that the XO faces when introduced into cultures, in this
case, Mongolia. My hope is that you developers can work with what is
actually needed to make people open to the XO and not just working
with dream users who will be happy to get anything OLPC throws their
way. As I am sure you all know there are other low cost computers on
the market right now and if OLPC can't offer a machine that stops
being seen as still under developement and hard to use I fear OLPC
will become obsolete.

so to use Deniz's comments as an example for things to think about.

if one day the network is universal, and
 the mesh works etc. I can see why we wouldn't need it.

This day isn't here. The mesh does NOT work. Gov'ts can't even afford
to put in servers where laptops are being deployed. There is the dream
but not reality of connectivity to deal with. So the fact that
teachers know how to use USBs is actually the best thing that could
happen to OLPC right now.


sugar might not have been intended to work with other
 OS's, and should be thought of as an educational tool meant for children
 instead of a general all-purpose laptop computer.

You cannot tell people how to use their computers or what to expect
from them. If we donate a computational tool than I think it needs to
be competent at that - otherwise you need to change the name of the
organization to not include the word 'laptop'. All we can do is offer
a tool (computer) and help folks think about integrating it into their
communities and curriculums but you CANNOT change expectations by
simply not meeting them.

When people get a computer, for free or otherwise, they want it to
work in a useful and straightforward way. This will leave them free to
think about doing interesting work on it and not just get frustrated
to the point of locking it away in a closet and forgetting about it
(as I have seen far too many teachers do!) In Mongolia there are
computers in places that haven't had training and the teachers and
students are stuck. If we could make certain basic things easier - it
would help us use the workshop time to seed some deeper educational
project ideas and not just address functionality frustrations.


elana

On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 2:17 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You can transfers files between systems,  (in the absence of an XS server),
 using a light weight web server such as boa
 To install boa on the XO:
 su -
 yum install boa
 If you want more details on how to configure boa let me know and I will post
 the instructions.
  I use boa to pull log files off my XO.
 Similarly you get get files off a MS Windows system using IIS.
 Another email in this thread mentions the scripts for copying files to and
 form the Sugar Journal.
 /Robert H.


 On Oct 10, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Deniz Kural wrote:

 I see how my email wasn't so nice. Apologies for increasing the animosity
 level. I was merely trying show how USB transfer from:

 1) Xo to Xo
 2) Other platform to Xo
 could be useful.

 Marco, I'm glad to have provoked a laugh, I was indeed joking. I don't even
 know you.
 I agree with Martin -- I thought he didn't write anything offensive. I will
 follow your advice, Edward, Tomeu.

 So to stay on topic,

 1) I understand that there is in fact an easy way to transfer files between
 XOs with a USB (which I believe is necessary per the conditions in Mongolia
 - people living in mobile yurts, even in the largest city and the capital
 etc. as explained). In the future, if one day the network is universal, and
 the mesh works etc. I can see why we wouldn't need it.

 2) I understand that sugar might not have been intended to work with other
 OS's, and should be thought of as an educational tool meant for children
 instead of a general all-purpose laptop computer.

 But I also think, since this is a significant investment for many people,
 referring to my original example of  a teacher  typing up a reading (from a
 book let's say, or a handout)  on a regular computer s/he already has back
 home, and being able to transfer files back and forth on an Xo so s/he can
 distribute it to his/her students.

 Thus, to fulfill its educational mission, Sugar cannot be a closed box.

 Deniz



 On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 2008/10/10 Deniz Kural [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  This whole why would you need a USB in mongolia?  conversation shows
  how
  out of touch some people on this list are with the people the project is
  trying to reach.

 Deniz,

 this list if composed by people from all around the world, some of
 which have had contact with some cultures, others with other cultures.
 What we have in common is the desire 

Fedora 10 for 9.1.0?

2008-10-12 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Hello,

do we plan to rebase to F10 for 9.1.0? I'm asking because I'd need to know
if I can depend on gtk 2.14...

http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/sugar/2008-October/009194.html

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Re: Serious -- Bug in Wiki-browse/Rainbow in gg-767-4

2008-10-12 Thread Simon Schampijer
Seth Woodworth wrote:
 http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8814
 
  This is a pretty big deal.
 
 1.) imaged a machine using the salute method via usb to gg-767-4.
 
 2.) Launch wiki-browse
 
 3.) Click on 'technology' category link (this link important?)
 
 4.) hangs and/or popup window complaining about a Rainbow Policy Issue.
 
 5.) Close and reopen
 
 6.) Rainbow Policy Issue window comes back up.
 
 I grabbed another machine and attempted the activity again and got roughly
 the same result.
 
 Did we test this on secured machines? What's the issue here? This is pretty
 fantastic considering we spent so much of our disk size for the activity.
 --Seth

Some information is as well in 8377.

Regards,
Simon
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Fwd: ship Gnash 0.8.4 RC1 in OLPC 8.2.0?

2008-10-12 Thread Carlos Nazareno
Hey OLPC team.

No, really, is there any chance OLPC can ship Gnash 0.8.4 with XO OS
final 8.2.0?

I tend to agree with Russ, It'll hurt more to ship Gnash 0.8.3 with
8.2.0 than Gnash 0.8.4 RC1.

Latest Gnash trunk is at
http://gnashdev.org/dev_snapshots/gnash-trunk-9980.tar.tgz and it'll
go final from RC in a few hours.

Given the amount of Flash/Gnash support inquiries there are, maybe
it's worth it to try to get latest Gnash in there (with a possible 1-2
day delay) before shipping?

Message from Russ below.

-Naz

-- Forwarded message --
From: Russ Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2008/10/12
Subject: [OLPC-Philippines] forwarded message from Russ Nelson

It wouldn't hurt for you to include this snapshot in your release as a
gnash 0.8.4-rc1.  It WOULD hurt for you to include 0.8.3 because it
doesn't play YouTube.  Unless we find a strong reason not to, we'll do
a release tomorrow (about 28 hours from now).

-- Forwarded message --
From: Russ Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 11 Oct 2008 18:59:22 +0200
Subject: [Gnash-dev] Gnash 0.8.4 expected within days.

We're expecting to do a new release of Gnash within a couple of days.
Please fetch and compile a
href=http://gnashdev.org/dev_snapshots/gnash-trunk-9980.tar.tgz
gnash-trunk-9980/a as it is very likely to be the release.

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Re: journal is hard (was Re: notes from the field - Mongolia)

2008-10-12 Thread elana langer
Here are some notes from Cris Anderson, one of my interns this summer
who is fluent in Mongolian. Because of his language and technical
skills he heard a lot of these issues first hand.

From Cris:

Tech problems I have noticed:

file artifacts in the journal--the process went something like
this-insert a flash drive to the xo that has a lot of files on it from
windows computer, they show up in journal, remove flash drive, erase
many of the files on a windows machine, use the flash drive with
windows, mac and linux computers for a couple weeks, put it back in
the XO and old files that have been deleted are still cluttering up
the journal in usb view mode.

The team had a hard time remembering all the services that need turned
on when setting up a server.  configuring to always start all
necessary server services at runtime would help.

In 650 and 656 the team saw a few instances of the journal
disappearing-reinstalling the journal activity fixed this.

When using an activity customization key, the additional Scratch Media
and Project files and folders were not unzipped/installed with the
activity.  the team and teachers depend on that media to be there for
teaching purposes

olpc-update froze up and didn't do anything when going from 656 to 703.

A work-around still needs to be developed for the 1000 pilot XOs that
don't type in Mongolian.  Either manufacturing data needs adjusted to
auto-configure to the English/Mongolian hybrid keyboard, or a keyboard
config file hack needs to be done (though this would be subsequently
over-written in later OS updates).

A language pack update option would be a good Sugar Control Panel addition



Tomeu, in terms of the questions you asked below I will respond shortly.

Elana

On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 7:18 PM, elana langer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 basically when teachers and students try to find their work (write,
 record, etoys)  in the journal it is hard for them to locate it -
 especially if it is more than a few days old.

 What I would love to read from you is an analysis of which are the
 concrete difficulties that users are having when trying to find stuff
 in the journal, and then work with us in improving how the journal
 works so that users can more easily find their work.

 As you know, the Journal is one of the most immature parts in Sugar,
 thus this is a good moment to improve what is worth keeping and drop
 what is better to not have there. The feedback you are able to provide
 is critical to this improvement process.

 This is why everyone is
 desperate to save their projects on USB keys.

 Does this happen in all other deployment sites?

 Also it seems that
 everything doesn't always go there. For example sometimes the pictures
 from a session in record are there - sometimes they aren't - sometimes
 it's just one picture - sometimes none. I have seen this many times -
 again it's why everyone wants to save on a USB right away.

 Record creates several entries in the journal: one per video, one per
 photo, one per audio recording and one to tie them all together. Maybe
 this is confusing users?

 Thanks,

 Tomeu

 On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 5:07 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 5:20 PM, elana langer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 3) Basically - The journal is really hard for people/ kids to use over
 a longer period of time. Kids and teachers can't find things that they
 did unless it was done within the last 30 minutes.

 Could you please elaborate on the difficulties that people have when
 using the journal?

 Thanks,

 Tomeu



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Re: Serious -- Bug in Wiki-browse/Rainbow in gg-767-4

2008-10-12 Thread Chris Ball
Hi,

1.) imaged a machine using the salute method via usb to gg-767-4.

2.) Launch wiki-browse

3.) Click on 'technology' category link (this link important?)

4.) hangs and/or popup window complaining about a Rainbow Policy
Issue.

5.) Close and reopen

6.) Rainbow Policy Issue window comes back up.

I grabbed another machine and attempted the activity again and got
roughly the same result.

Did we test this on secured machines? What's the issue here? This
is pretty fantastic considering we spent so much of our disk size
for the activity.

I just did a secure reflash to 767 and tried these steps, and the
activity worked -- the Technology page rendered fine.  Subsequent
launches raised a Rainbow dialog but didn't stop the activity from
working (which we already knew about).

Is there something your instructions fail to mention, such as having
another Browse window open at the same time?

- Chris.
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e-books examples on 767

2008-10-12 Thread Chris Marshall
Are there any e-book type examples in the current 767
release for G1G1-2?

I've been testing the 767 candidates but the library of
books, audio, and examples that used to be visible in
the Browse home page don't appear to be there anymore.

It is difficult to demo or test the XO's capabilities without
standard content for viewing and comparison.

What is recommended for off-line testing and viewing
for the new release?

Thanks,
Chris

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Re: e-books examples on 767

2008-10-12 Thread Chris Ball
Hi,

I've been testing the 767 candidates but the library of books,
audio, and examples that used to be visible in the Browse home page
don't appear to be there anymore.

You've run into a problem with upgrades from 70x builds -- see the When
upgrading from build 703 or 708 you will not see the Library section in
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/8.2.0 for how to enable the G1G1
updates group.

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Re: journal is hard (was Re: notes from the field - Mongolia)

2008-10-12 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 1:40 PM, elana langer [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 file artifacts in the journal--the process went something like
 this-insert a flash drive to the xo that has a lot of files on it from
 windows computer, they show up in journal, remove flash drive, erase
 many of the files on a windows machine, use the flash drive with
 windows, mac and linux computers for a couple weeks, put it back in
 the XO and old files that have been deleted are still cluttering up
 the journal in usb view mode.


This is going to be fixed for 9.1.


 In 650 and 656 the team saw a few instances of the journal
 disappearing-reinstalling the journal activity fixed this.


I think 8.2 should be much better from this respect. But a really solid
solution will be available only with 9.1.

Thanks,
Marco
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Re: VideoChat is working now - hooray!

2008-10-12 Thread Sameer Verma
On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 1:11 AM, Pia Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all,

 We now have Videochat v9 which works. This is a great thing that will help
 children connect, and in particular help with remote support for children.
 It could assist with eHealth, remote education, speech therapy and any
 number of useful functions.

 Anyway, it also needs more hacking, so anyone interested in helping should
 have a play and get involved. Currently it only does basic video
 conferencing between 2 laptops but the vision (as it states on the webpage)
 is for whiteboard functionality and more.

 Anyway, thought there would probably be a few of you for whom this would be
 useful :)

 Download and information:

  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Video_Chat

 Cheers,
 Pia

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Hi Pia,

Does this still require a jabber server, or will it work over the mesh?

cheers,
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Re: VideoChat is working now - hooray! - Now how about multi-user audio chat?

2008-10-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There are a number of people that are interested in audio chat.   
Currently there are a group of people that use TeamSpeak on the XO  
but it is closed source and the client has severe stuttering problems  
with 8.2-767. (it is not the firmware because if you boot into  
alternate image 656 it works fine.  There was a trac ticket for audio  
stuttering but can't remember the id).
Now a light weight audio chat activity that could be shared among  
multiple users would be useful.
A few use cases:
A.) school intercom system. ( This how use of TeamSpeak came about in  
the G1G1 sector as an experiment to see if XO could be used as a  
school intercom ).
B.) communication for the blind
C.) inexpensive conference call system
Could this be a lighter weight subset of the Video chat system  
developed as audio chat?

my 2 cents worth,

/Robert H.

On Oct 12, 2008, at 1:11 AM, Pia Waugh wrote:

 Hi all,

 We now have Videochat v9 which works. This is a great thing that  
 will help
 children connect, and in particular help with remote support for  
 children.
 It could assist with eHealth, remote education, speech therapy and any
 number of useful functions.

 Anyway, it also needs more hacking, so anyone interested in helping  
 should
 have a play and get involved. Currently it only does basic video
 conferencing between 2 laptops but the vision (as it states on the  
 webpage)
 is for whiteboard functionality and more.

 Anyway, thought there would probably be a few of you for whom this  
 would be
 useful :)

 Download and information:

   http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Video_Chat

 Cheers,
 Pia

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MoodleMoot A/NZ report

2008-10-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
The moodlemoots are fantastic gatherings with lots of teachers with
good experience and self-confidence using moodle as a teaching tool,
and many of them using social constructivist approaches. I've
encouraged teachers and educators to visit our wiki and consider
joining our mailing lists, some were very keen on volunteering in
regional efforts. I ran out of Sugar LiveCDs in about 30 seconds.

What it looks like:

  Driving around Napier with Martin Dougiamas
  http://flickr.com/photos/tabitharoder/2928136438/

  NZ moot pictures
  http://flickr.com/photos/tags/mmnz08/

  AU moot pictures
  http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=moodlemootau08

Not many developers at the moot in terms of numbers, but the bulk of
development is done by the team that gathered here. Martin Dougiamas
-- founder and project lead -- has a fantastic eye on UI-and-education
so had some interesting chats about Moodle and the sugar UI, and he'll
be exploring it in his own time too. Also talked with other developers
about fixing (minor) bugs that affect moodle on Browse.xo, and they
were very enthusiastic.

Moodle as a project is at an interesting time. v1.9 has been a very
solid release, closing a long track of incremental releases done every
~6 months. Now the core team is working on a 2.0 that has some
significant improvements... and breaks APIs and changes some coding
conventions. They've spent 6 months on it already, and it's planned
for mid-2009, which is a bit of a long release cycle.

This is a chance to make a huge leap forward -- some of the v2.0
features already in-tree are great, and have been extremely popular
wishlist items -- but also entails the risk of making 2.0 a bit too
hard to upgrade to and in the shadow of the popularity of 1.9 and its
many contributed modules and patches. A case study in this is the
Apache 1.3/2.0 history. It is definitely not the end of the world -
but it is something to keep an eye out for.

Some strategic notes from the POV of the XS,

 - We have a very stable base for our current work (very good news for
the short term). After that, the gap to 2.0 will be large, so when we
want to port to 2.x we will have to rework things a bit. Any new
feature work that is mergeable upstream I'll be trying to merge into
HEAD immediately rather than waiting.

- Upstream is generally very keen to merge our work if it's well
thought out and doesn't break stuff. I think I have a good record in
that regard --  :-) -- and a good sense of what things will be
rejected or cause discomfort with others in the core team.

 - Any new features we develop on top of 1.9 we should publish as
unofficial feature patches to get more eyeballs and co-maintainers,
as the community will be starved of new toys to play with in the long
haul to 2.0. I've already started this with a feature backport that
the Edublog team needs. See
http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=107550

 - Moodle v2.0 has some very good work on content repositories,
inspired by design discussions back in the 2007 moots between Petr
Skodak, MartinD and me. It is strongly aligned with what we (OLPC)
want for the sharing Library resources across school goals
(discussed at length earlier this year with sj). The good news is that
it's being developed almost to our specs and needs by the core team;
the bad news is that we have to wait for 2.0 - it's an intrusive patch
that we cannot really backport.

 - Offline Moodle - sj and jg stressed the importance of an
offline-capable moodle. Bryan Berry (Nepal) is also advocating for it.
We now have a reasonable implementation strategy and I talked a lot
with teachers and developers at the moot about it. There is interest
so we may get help from third parties who want it for their own
purposes. I'll be happy to provide architecture, some code and
guidance to anyone ready to help implement it... as long as it covers
our needs :-) A university in Barcelona (UOC) is already rallying
resources to see if they can help. See this forum thread for more info
http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=107920

The moodle community is broad and some large institutions are pining
for an offline moodle. They can get it early (on 1.9 even) if they
work with me on it :-)

The work pattern ahead of us with Moodle is that we'll develop on 1.9
and port things to HEAD for merge at an appropriate time (immediately
in some cases), rather than develop on HEAD and hope that upstream's
release cycle meets ours. This is how I have been working with Moodle
for ~4 years to great results. This also means that you rarely see me
working in HEAD directly, except when landing patchseries :-) (and
it's the lack of good SCMs in this space that dragged me into git
development).

cheers,



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Re: VideoChat is working now - hooray!

2008-10-12 Thread Stephen Thorne
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 3:50 AM, Sameer Verma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Does this still require a jabber server, or will it work over the mesh?


A jabber server is still a requirement for VideoChat to function. Work is
required on telepathy-salut before it can work in a peer to peer situation
without an accessable collaboration server.

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forwarded message from Russ Nelson

2008-10-12 Thread Russ Nelson
It wouldn't hurt for you to include this snapshot in your release as a
gnash 0.8.4-rc1.  It WOULD hurt for you to include 0.8.3 because it
doesn't play YouTube.  Unless we find a strong reason not to, we'll do
a release tomorrow (about 28 hours from now).

---BeginMessage---
We're expecting to do a new release of Gnash within a couple of days.  Please 
fetch and compile a 
href=http://gnashdev.org/dev_snapshots/gnash-trunk-9980.tar.tgz 
gnash-trunk-9980/a as it is very likely to be the release.
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[BULK] Re: [Health] VideoChat is working now - hooray!

2008-10-12 Thread Harshvardhan
true. plus a good broadband network connection,
warm regards,
Harshvardhan.

On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Bob Pyke Jr.,RN,CPNP [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 It aappears to be interestimg. But if your doing remote telehealth you need
 to have 30 fps for video.

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Re: [Health] VideoChat is working now - hooray!

2008-10-12 Thread Bob Pyke Jr.,RN,CPNP
It aappears to be interestimg. But if your doing remote telehealth you need to 
have 30 fps for video.

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Re: [OLPC-Games] Play Go issues for laptop

2008-10-12 Thread Paul Barchilon
Hi Edward,

Response below:


 My operating system is Mac OS 10.5.5.  Qemu seems to work without any
 trouble.  The final screen mentions something about failing to load  
 the
 Keyboard module.  I tried it with a different keyboard just in case  
 that was
 the problem, but no luck.  My only keyboard options are USB,  
 hopefully that
 is not the issue.

 What was the exact command you used? Sometimes it is a matter of the
 correct command-line options. I don't know how that works, but others
 here do.

I didn't use a command at all.  Qemu has buttons to launch, and drop  
down menus for several items.  I followed the directions on the page  
Walter sent me to:  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Emulating_the_XO/Quick_Start/Mac 
   I had the same problem with QEMU arguments that whoever wrote that  
page did, so I left it blank.  Qemu fails to find the correct start  
image (even when it is set in the preferences), but if you click on  
the Change CD Rom button, you can navigate to the right one and it  
starts up as I described earlier.

Hope we can figure this out, I really want to try this thing!

Thanks,

Paul













 On Oct 11, 2008, at 8:30 AM, Walter Bender wrote:

 You can run Sugar (and PlayGo) without an XO laptop. See
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Supported_systems for some options.

 regards.

 -walter

 On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 1:12 AM, Paul Barchilon  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 Hi Andres, and Edward,
 Great to hear from both of you!  We have been very excited about  
 this
 project from the beginning, and would be glad to offer any  
 assistance we
 can.  Roy, Terry and I work closely together, so we have all been
 discussing
 your project.  I have good news for you, and then several  
 questions.  The
 kid I got to look at the latest version was delighted with it his  
 message
 is
 below:
 Fromleinad
 Date10/10/2008 22:03
 SubjectRE: Play Go
 THIS IS A REALLY BIG STEP UP FROM THE OLD PROGRAM!!!

 the ai is not half bad and might beat me... you can pass, it  
 enforces ko
 and
 calculates the score... you can refresh the game without exiting  
 out, you
 have a choice of 19x19, 13x13, or 9x9, and you can undo there  
 is a
 problem that i cannot really discribe but i will try to get some
 screenshots... it does not inhibit game play in any way due to  
 the undo
 capability.

 i really think the ai would have beaten me but i stopped playing...
 then i played a 9x9 game and it did beat me but it filled in a  
 lot of
 unnecessary points at the end...  i need to practice more...

 they should include numbers and letters around the edges...
 I think he is 12 or 13, I know him through our website but have  
 never met
 him.  He was pretty disappointed with the initial release, so  
 clearly you
 guys are working on the right things.
 Is there a way for me to run your program on my computer so I can  
 look at
 it?  I downloaded the latest version of PlayGo, but as I do not  
 have one
 of
 your laptops I can't do anything with it.  I am running Mac OS  
 10.5 on a
 new
 intel iMac.  I have an application that can port some Windows
 applications
 on my Mac also.
 As for using our learn to play section from the website, please  
 feel
 free.
 I personally wrote everything, and we own the drawings as well.   
 If you
 could credit the AGF and provide a link to Tiger's Mouth that  
 would be
 great.   What would really be ideal is an interactive learn to play
 module
 that teaches kids how to play.  There is a good one online  
 already, I
 link
 to it from our learn to play page.  If you didn't click on it,  
 the link
 is
 here:
 http://www.playgo.to/interactive/index.html  It is also already  
 available
 in
 some 30 languages, so you could save yourself some trouble by  
 using what
 has
 already been done.  The interactive way to go was written by  
 Hiroki Mori,
 I
 am sure he would be completely supportive of OLPC.  His contact  
 info is
 on
 the website.  I would also be happy to work on a learn to play  
 interface
 for
 your program if that were more feasible for an end product.
 What materials describe the application to laptop users, and  
 entice them
 to
 explore it?  My understanding was that it needs to be downloaded
 separately
 from the main package.  Is that the case or is it bundled with  
 everything
 else?
 Another excellent way to get some feedback would be for Andres  
 and I to
 play
 a game together online.  The KGS Go Server is a terrific program.
 Looking
 at how that works together, and talking about important aspects  
 of the
 game,
 could give you a good deal of insight into how to improve PlayGo.
 This forum is fine, I am happy to conduct these discussions  
 through your
 list.  I just wasn't sure how many people were on it, or if this  
 was the
 appropriate place for this discussion.
 Thanks,
 Paul Barchilon,
 American Go Foundation
 http://tigersmouth.org
 http://agfgo.org


 On Oct 10, 2008, at 7:37 PM, Andrés Ambrois wrote:

 On Friday 10 October 2008 

[Server-devel] One more note on Moodle - infra vs lms

2008-10-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
Had a good chat last week with Ed, Kim and others, and one of the
items that came up was what is this moodle thing and why is it
important?.

To state it briefly, Moodle is a fantastic learning mgmt system /
course mgmt system and it's been for a while very much what OLPC
people thought the XS software should look like to end users. In
short, if the XS is going to provide tools for learning, Moodle has
proven itself quite clearly to be the tool for the job.

Couple of important pages about it

  http://docs.moodle.org/en/Background
  http://docs.moodle.org/en/Philosophy
  http://docs.moodle.org/en/Pedagogy

Now, this is the LMS/CMS stuff, but we _also_ need a UI to perform
some core operations.

Moodle has good admin facilities and a good
roles/capabilities/permissions model. So it is the place for

 - a personal page where I can see the files in my journal backup (to
restore them, perhaps).
 - additional options if I'm a teacher to tune/tweak how something works.
 - a way to publish warnings and status

this means we don't have to mess with duplicate user management or
anything. It saves us a ton of work.

This isn't news actually, but it seemed relevant to elaborate on this.

Enough verbosity, back to finishing xs-0.5 :-)

BTW, anyone keen on helping with this?
http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=107555

cheers,



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[Server-devel] xs-livecd - pushed out some updates

2008-10-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
For those playing at home with the XS build, I had been carrying a few
chagnes in xs-livecd that had not been committed or published. Done
now. Conspiracy theorists can rest assured, no mystery in how the XS
is composed.

and before I forget - thanks again to Jerry for all the help figuring
that anaconda/revisor mess  out!



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[Server-devel] revisor - strange regression with comps-cleanup misplaced...

2008-10-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
After 2 weeks of not building the XS build, I built it again today. It
didn't want to build. Running with --debug 10 the output ends with...

Running command: /usr/bin/xsltproc --novalid -o
/var/tmp/revisor-pungi/0.5/xs-f9-i386/comps.xml
/usr/share/revisor/comps/comps-cleanup.xsl
/var/tmp/revisor-pungi/0.5/xs-f9-i386/comps.xml
Extra information: /var/tmp/revisor-rundir False None
Got an error from /usr/bin/xsltproc (return code 4)

xsltproc's manpage says that 4 means trouble parsing the stylesheet. I
tried to look at/usr/share/revisor/comps/comps-cleanup.xsl and it
wasn't there. It was a directory higher.

this fixed the problem:
 sudo ln -s /usr/share/revisor/comps-cleanup.xsl
/usr/share/revisor/comps/comps-cleanup.xsl

versions:

$ rpm -qa revisor*
revisor-gui-2.1.1-7.fc9.noarch
revisor-comps-2.1.1-7.fc9.noarch
revisor-cli-2.1.1-7.fc9.noarch
revisor-2.1.1-7.fc9.noarch

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