Re: NetworkManager-0.7

[Bobby Powers]

On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Mikus Grinbergs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Daniel writes:
>> On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Mikus Grinbergs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> genesee writes:
 NetworkManager-0.7 and/or NetworkManager-glib killed my Neigborhood view.
>>>
>>> Same problem here.
>>
>> We're mid-way through the upgrade to sugar-0.83. And even when that's
>> done, there will be mucho breakage (see Tomeu's earlier post).
>>
>> I think joyride will break often over the course of the next few
>> months as development runs in full swing.
>>
>> Thanks for letting us know anyway.
>
> 
>
> I sent in my post to celebrate a milestone -- something *worked*
> (suspend/resume with a wired ethernet) that had not previously.
>
> To then quote a non-positive comment was to mis-read my post.
>
> 
>
> "... joyride will break often over the ... next few months ..."

To imply Dan was saying this in a non-positive way is also to misread
his post.  I think you're jumping the gun here.

Bobby

> I appear to be having difficulties communicating with this list.
> When I ask for advice - it is sparse;  when I don't ask - it is
> offered.  I'm not sure of the purpose of the above sentence - am I
> being advised to leave joyride to "development"?
>
> My original post was merely to describe what I saw.  But now I *am*
> asking for advice - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Network_manager_0.7 is
> not enough for me to figure out how come some things are being shown
> in Neighborhood View but others are not.  Please - those of you who
> have practical experience with NM-0.7 - I would appreciate pointers
> to more information on how to _use_ NM-0.7 (in place of NM-0.6).
>
> Yes, I expect things to break "as development runs in full swing".
> But I think both developers and users will make faster progress if
> hurdles are met with a "here, this might help" attitude.
>
> mikus
>
>
> p.s.  The two principal "helpful hints" I've been using so far with
> NM-0.7 is "if I don't like the IP address it assigns (e.g., an
> IPv6), I manually do 'ifconfig down', then 'ifconfig up' with the
> desired address (e.g., an IPv4)";  and "if I don't like the wireless
> characteristics it assigns (e.g., the channel), I manually do
> 'iwconfig' to set the desired value for that characteristic".
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Re: upgrade to sugar-0.83

[Carlos Nazareno]

> We're mid-way through the upgrade to sugar-0.83. And even when that's
> done, there will be mucho breakage (see Tomeu's earlier post).

Any chance latest Gnash can be integrated?

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olpc-update SNAFU

[genesee]

Got this when I tried to olpc-update to the last joyride build that I know
didn't break Neighborhoods view and wifi, 2515, (also the last one from
Build Announcer),
"$ sudo olpc-update -f joyride-2515
Downloading contents of build joyride-2515.
Updating to version hash 65ba68f3314d313d744eefc67a8439b1
Deleting old incomplete update tmp.o0FyJj
Trying rsync update from rsync://updates.laptop.org/build-joyride-2515
 - Fetching contents.
 - Performing full rsync.
 - Cleaning up (trac #5051)
Verifying update.
/usr/sbin/olpc-contents-verify: error while loading shared libraries:
libicui18n.so.36: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
No more update methods to try."

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Re: sugar 0.83 in joyride

[genesee]

Daniel Drake-5 wrote:
> 
> We're mid-way through the upgrade to sugar-0.83. And even when that's
> done, there will be mucho breakage (see Tomeu's earlier post).
> 
> I think joyride will break often over the course of the next few
> months as development runs in full swing.
> 
> Thanks for letting us know anyway.
> 

Sure thing! BTW, olpc-update is now broken due to NM issues and /versions
has no alt build files, just current. 
yum update wants NM 0.6 here and NM 0.7 there. What the...?
This domino breakage is the worst yet. What next? Will my xo 'brick'?
Whatever that is, I don't want to find out as the xo is my ONLY computer.
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NetworkManager-0.7

[Mikus Grinbergs]

Daniel writes:
> On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Mikus Grinbergs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> genesee writes:
>>> NetworkManager-0.7 and/or NetworkManager-glib killed my Neigborhood view.
>>
>> Same problem here.
> 
> We're mid-way through the upgrade to sugar-0.83. And even when that's
> done, there will be mucho breakage (see Tomeu's earlier post).
> 
> I think joyride will break often over the course of the next few
> months as development runs in full swing.
> 
> Thanks for letting us know anyway.



I sent in my post to celebrate a milestone -- something *worked* 
(suspend/resume with a wired ethernet) that had not previously.

To then quote a non-positive comment was to mis-read my post.



"... joyride will break often over the ... next few months ..."

I appear to be having difficulties communicating with this list. 
When I ask for advice - it is sparse;  when I don't ask - it is 
offered.  I'm not sure of the purpose of the above sentence - am I 
being advised to leave joyride to "development"?

My original post was merely to describe what I saw.  But now I *am* 
asking for advice - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Network_manager_0.7 is 
not enough for me to figure out how come some things are being shown 
in Neighborhood View but others are not.  Please - those of you who 
have practical experience with NM-0.7 - I would appreciate pointers 
to more information on how to _use_ NM-0.7 (in place of NM-0.6).

Yes, I expect things to break "as development runs in full swing". 
But I think both developers and users will make faster progress if 
hurdles are met with a "here, this might help" attitude.

mikus


p.s.  The two principal "helpful hints" I've been using so far with 
NM-0.7 is "if I don't like the IP address it assigns (e.g., an 
IPv6), I manually do 'ifconfig down', then 'ifconfig up' with the 
desired address (e.g., an IPv4)";  and "if I don't like the wireless 
characteristics it assigns (e.g., the channel), I manually do 
'iwconfig' to set the desired value for that characteristic".
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Re: debxo 0.3 release

[pgf]

ian wrote:
 > Hey all,
 > tidbits:
 > 
 > http://olpcnews.com/forum/index.php?topic=2240.msg26267;topicseen#msg26267
 > * working power management(tested)
 > modprobe olpc_battery
 > * enables battery level detection - grab "battery-status" script from an XO
 > running 8.2
 > sudo ifconfig eth0 up
 > * makes the eth0 interface show up if it's otherwise hidden or 'down'
 > 
 > Can someone please wikify this stuff?

don't you have a wiki login?  :-)

paul
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Re: debxo 0.3 release

[Ian Daniher]

Hey all,
tidbits:

http://olpcnews.com/forum/index.php?topic=2240.msg26267;topicseen#msg26267
* working power management(tested)
modprobe olpc_battery
* enables battery level detection - grab "battery-status" script from an XO
running 8.2
sudo ifconfig eth0 up
* makes the eth0 interface show up if it's otherwise hidden or 'down'

Can someone please wikify this stuff?
Enjoy!
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On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This sounds right.  The OHM packages aren't in any debian repo afaik, so
> we'll have to package them.  Then we'd need a debian repository for
> these packages.
>
> On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 11:53:40AM -0500, Ian Daniher wrote:
> > RE Suspend / Resume : talk to CJB(Chris Ball) about OHM. I spoke with him
> a
> > few weeks ago and, if I recall correctly, all one needs to do is use the
> > official OLPC Kernel and install the OHM packages.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:20 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 3 Nov 2008, James Cameron wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 09:27:52PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >> On Mon, 3 Nov 2008, James Cameron wrote:
> > > >>> The TODO file in the xodist git repository has a hardware
> enablement
> > > >>> section that I added last week, which covers some of the things
> this
> > > >>> thread has discussed.
> > > >>
> > > >> link to xodist please?
> > > >
> > > > xodist is the git repository name for the scripts that generate debxo
> > > > images.
> > >
> > > sorry, I missed that (and I even have that repository cloned, shame on
> me
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > > git://lunge.mit.edu/git/xodist (per Andres' mail of 28th Oct)
> > > > or
> > > > http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/xodist.git/
> (my repo, sync'ed)
> > > >
> > > >> do you have the direction and rotate game keys working?
> > > >
> > > > I don't know.
> > >
> > > they do not in the 0.3 build
> > >
> > > >>> brightness control keys (conflicts with function key usage)
> > > >>> volume control keys (conflicts with function key usage)
> > > >>
> > > >> these don't need system changes, just deciding which function those
> keys
> > > >> should do, the brightness and volume functions are strictly in
> software
> > > >> (and done via X hooks, as can be shown by the fact that these do not
> > > work
> > > >> in a console, and in fact crash the system if you hit them there)
> > > >
> > > > Seems more logical to handle these keys in the kernel.
> > >
> > > I don't think so. since the hardware produces the function keys, if the
> > > kernel does the functions instead of userspace, you loose the
> flexibility
> > > to use these as normal function keys.
> > >
> > > the tendancy is to push more of this sort of thing to userspace anyway.
> > > the volume keys onthe thinkpads recently changed from being handled by
> the
> > > hardware to be intercepted by the kernel and treated as normal keys
> (with
> > > the default bindings being to control the volume) a few months ago this
> > > worked in Gnome, but not KDE, with the ubuntu release a few days ago it
> > > works in both (I don't use sound enough to have tried it outside of X)
> > >
> > > >>> turn off backlight on suspend or hibernate
> > > >>
> > > >> I don't use suspend or hibernate enough to help, but now that we
> have
> > > the
> > > >> script to control the backlight this should be fairly easy (although
> you
> > > >> really want to turn off the entire screen, not just the backlight,
> at
> > > >> least for hibernate, don't you?)
> > > >
> > > > If you're saying "the OLPC XO build also turns off the screen
> hardware",
> > > > then the next question is "how?" ... presumably this can be found by
> > > > examining it.
> > >
> > > the thought just hit me that we don't always want to turn off the
> screen
> > > on suspend, unlike normal systems the XO is designed to be able to run
> the
> > > display when the main processor is suspended (although I remember being
> > > told that this isn't working due to software limitations today)
> > >
> > > >>> The latter method is how xodist's initchroot.sh script does some
> > > >>> features ... like setting up /etc/modules, xorg.conf, and so forth.
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm actually not happy with how the OLPC currently handles these
> things,
> > > >> they are too X (and sugar) specific. we need to get a layer lower if
> we
> > > >> can.
> > > >
> > > > Good.  But the general purpose solutions in Debian are perhaps too
> > > > general for this situation.  Things like the discover package.
> > >
> > > ideally I want to figure out how to get these keys into the kernel, at
> > > that point any userspace can deal with them.
> > >
> > > David Lang
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DeviceKit-power

[Marco Pesenti Gritti]

At first sight, it looks like what we need to give better power information:

http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2008/11/09/gnome-power-manager-and-devicekit-power/

Marco
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Fwd: OLPC gitoroius hub

[Henry Edward Hardy]

FYI --HH.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Johan Sørensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: OLPC gitoroius hub
To: Henry Edward Hardy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Hi Henry,

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Henry Edward Hardy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Johan and Mitchell,
> Dear Johan and Mitchell,
>
> I heard that you were working on a gitorious hub for OLPC projects. Thank
> you for taking this on; it's something that we currently don't have the
> bandwidth to work on ourselves, but if you can make this work and take off
> with volunteer-run OLPC code projects using it, I would very much like to
> talk with you both about making it an official part of OLPC's
infrastructure
> ("blessing" it with a laptop.org URL, advertising it to users, and so
> forth). We're excited to see work of this sort being taken up by the
> community!

Thank you! As a newcomer to the OLPC community (who yet has to
contribute something other than ideas and existing code), I'm quite
amazed at the openess towards improving the development way within the
community so far. This can only be a good thing.

> I'd also like to invite you both, along with any team members working on
the
> project, to our volunteer infrastructure group's (VIG) IRC channel
> (#olpc-admin on OFTC). If you need any resources, information, or help as
> you're working on an OLPC gitorious, please don't hesitate to ask. We also
> have weekly VIG meetings on Tuesday afternoons at 4pm EST in that IRC
> channel, and a mailing list,
http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-sysadmin,
> if any of you are interested in joining. The VIG wiki home is:
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC:Volunteer_Infrastructure_Group
>
> Thanks again, and best of luck.

Thank you, I'll try and stop by.

>
> --Henry Edward Hardy
> OLPC Sysadmin and occasional buccaneer
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> --
> ...to live effectively is to live with adequate information.
> --Norbert Wiener, Cybernetics, 1948
>

Cheers,
JS



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ShoeBot (a free software DrawBot implementation) is out! Time to Sugarize some Ruby apps?

[Samuel Klein]

Shoebot, a free-software version of the awesome Mac program DrawBot
(which relies heavily Cocoa), is finished.  Thanks to David Crossland
who tipped me off to this.
   http://www.tinkerhouse.net/shoebot/
   http://tinkerhouse.net/shoebot/Docs/Screenshots

>From its getting started page:



== Shoebot from the console ==

Shoebot parses scripts written in the Nodebox/Drawbot language and
creates image output from those instructions. Running Shoebot scripts
through the console is straightforward:sbot  -o


You can specify the type of image through the output file extension:

* .svg (Scalable Vector Graphics)
* .ps (PostScript)
* .pdf (Portable Document Format)
* .png (Portable Network Graphics)

Shoebot will automagically generate the appropriate output from the
extension you specify.
For instance, to output the primitives.bot example to an SVG file, type:
   sbot /usr/share/shoebot/examples/primitives.bot -o test.svg

This is Shoebot's 'oneshot mode'. However, see also:
* WindowedMode
* Shoebot IDE
* Socketserver - control your scripts from external sources
* Python Module - run Shoebot from inside your Python scripts




It's written in Ruby, and shouldn't be so hard to sugarize... are
there any other fine Ruby programs that have jumped the XO?
A ruby emulator bundled with Hackety Hack lessons also seems like an
excellent idea.

SJ
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Re: sugar 0.83 in joyride

[Daniel Drake]

On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Mikus Grinbergs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> genesee writes:
>> NetworkManager-0.7 and/or NetworkManager-glib killed my Neigborhood view.
>
> Same problem here.

We're mid-way through the upgrade to sugar-0.83. And even when that's
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I think joyride will break often over the course of the next few
months as development runs in full swing.

Thanks for letting us know anyway.

Daniel
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