New joyride build 2639
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2639 Changes in build 2639 from build: 2635 Size delta: 0.00M -hwdata 0.220-1.fc10 +hwdata 0.222-1.fc10 -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride-pkgs.html for aggregate logs See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride_vs_update1.html for a comparison ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
New joyride build 2639
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2639 Changes in build 2639 from build: 2635 Size delta: 0.00M -hwdata 0.220-1.fc10 +hwdata 0.222-1.fc10 -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride-pkgs.html for aggregate logs See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride_vs_update1.html for a comparison ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Q2E30, Candidate-25 and DebXO don't play nice
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 08:14:36PM -1000, Mitch Bradley wrote: Add dcon-unfreeze visible to olpc.fth before the final boot command. Fixed in debxo for future builds. We're using dcon-unfreeze in the /boot/olpc.fth in the target filesystem, and visible in the filesystem of the install-to-NAND image. -- James Cameronmailto:qu...@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Testing] Notes from an impromptu 8.2.1 Release Mtg.
2009/1/30 Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net: It created a new version of /home/olpc/.sugar/default/nm/networks.cfg which differs from the old one only in time stamps and in having the bssids field filled in. Sounds like a pretty critical difference. I would recommend not using wpa.sh, or at least, not using it when discussing bugs about wireless. OLPC and the community can't support random scripts outside of the normal way of doing things. As far as I can tell, it's just like it was when I used Wpa.sh: The icon for my AP has a little star. It doesn't connect automatically on boot. I can see the icon blinking for a while. I assume that is when it is trying. It works when I poke the icon. That's after waiting for everything to stop blinking. OK. Next thing for you to try. Delete networks.cfg again, per Martin's instructions. Reboot, note that your AP has a padlock. Enter password until connected successfully. Then reboot, wait 5 minutes (regardless of whether it connects to your AP or not), and then send us /var/log/messages. And check that the AP icon now has a star, even if it doesn't autoconnect. One more question.. are you saying that build 9 works fine and later builds do not? That would be very odd because there have been no changes since build 9 that would affect this. Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: OLPC where to go development advice.
2009/1/31 Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com: [And if I stop Network manager, the XO manages to 'vanish' the *hardware* device to which I would be assigning my static-address communications interface.] A little OT, a hint for you: I think you need to learn about more about interface state. By default, the kernel boots with interfaces down, and something in userspace (e.g. networkmanager) has to bring them up. It kinda makes sense for networkmanager to bring them down when it exits as well. By default, ifconfig only shows interfaces that are up. When you say that they are vanishing, I guess you mean that they do not appear in ifconfig output. You can use ifconfig -a to show all interfaces, regardless of whether they are up or down. And you can use ifconfig iface up and ifconfig iface down to change the state. Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Testing] Notes from an impromptu 8.2.1 Release Mtg.
OK. Next thing for you to try. Delete networks.cfg again, per Martin's instructions. Reboot, note that your AP has a padlock. Enter password until connected successfully. That's the state I'm currently in. networks.cfg was generated by typing in a password. Then reboot, wait 5 minutes (regardless of whether it connects to your AP or not), and then send us /var/log/ messages. And check that the AP icon now has a star, even if it doesn't autoconnect. Yes, the icon for my AP has a star. /var/log/messages is 63K. 644 lines, 328 from NetworkManager. Should I send it as email or put it someplace or ??? One more question.. are you saying that build 9 works fine and later builds do not? That would be very odd because there have been no changes since build 9 that would affect this. os759 automatically connected on startup. Build 9 is the first new software that I tried since then. It had the same symptoms as build 25. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: OLPC where to go development advice.
But I have *not* been able to assign a static ip address when a real network was involved - Network Manager intervenes and destroys whatever setup I've configured. [And if I stop Network manager, the XO manages to 'vanish' the *hardware* device to which I would be assigning my static-address communications interface.] A little OT, a hint for you: I think you need to learn about more about interface state. By default, the kernel boots with interfaces down, and something in userspace (e.g. networkmanager) has to bring them up. It kinda makes sense for networkmanager to bring them down when it exits as well. By default, ifconfig only shows interfaces that are up. When you say that they are vanishing, I guess you mean that they do not appear in ifconfig output. You can use ifconfig -a to show all interfaces, regardless of whether they are up or down. And you can use ifconfig iface up and ifconfig iface down to change the state. I do realize that 'ifconfig' only shows interfaces that are up -- and that it is 'ifconfig iface up ip-addr' that would be used to configure a static ip address (and bring iface up). The problem was that when I tried to assign a static address, the 'ifconfig iface up' was returning iface: unknown interface: No such device. I even wrote this up (more than a year ago) as #5854, which I eventually closed myself because rather than continue to struggle with assigning a static ip address, I bypassed that problem by setting up a server to automatically assign a dynamic address. [There still exists ticket #8387 for no static ip addresses.] mikus ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Touchpad problem
I don't know if this is the best place to post this but, since it seems a software problem, it may be a better idea then asking to get my XO repaired. I bought my XO this christmas, by Amazon's UK G1G1, which arrived at the beginning of the month. Almost already as I started using it, I noticed that sometimes the touchpad would be irresponsive. I may use it for hours without having a problem but, when it happens, it usually doesn't start working again soon. Sometimes it just jumps around like crazy, sometimes it just goes the wrong way I want it to. When this happens, the touchpad's buttons also are irresponsive, for as much as I press either one. Usually, the touchpad starts working well again when I suspend the XO and wake it up, even if just for a while. This has always worked for me. Any ideas? Best regards, Tiago Marques ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Notes from an impromptu 8.2.1 Release Mtg.
Wifi is fine and dandy now that I updated to build staging-25 and firmware Q2E30. Weird seeing 'pretty boot' again. Sorry I never filed a ticketI'm ashamed to not know if my AP is WEP or WPA, (it's a cable modem-router-thingy SMC model SMC8014WG-SI)...how can I find out? For myself, I wanted to connect a staging-21 system to a wireless AP, but *could not* - no matter what I tried. [When I tried build 767 with the identical hardware and setup, it connected easily.] Ticket #9222 has been written about the WEP problem. I wrote -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Notes-from-an-impromptu-8.2.1-Release-Mtg.-tp2201059p2251197.html Sent from the Software development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: OLPC where to go development advice.
2009/1/31 Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com: I do realize that 'ifconfig' only shows interfaces that are up -- and that it is 'ifconfig iface up ip-addr' that would be used to configure a static ip address (and bring iface up). The problem was that when I tried to assign a static address, the 'ifconfig iface up' was returning iface: unknown interface: No such device. Strange. I can't reproduce this. In fact, I bring NM down to apply manual settings to interfaces quite often. The interface goes down but never disappears from ifconfig -a Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Testing] Notes from an impromptu 8.2.1 Release Mtg.
2009/1/31 Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net: /var/log/messages is 63K. 644 lines, 328 from NetworkManager. Should I send it as email or put it someplace or ??? Probably best to upload somewhere and put a link here. Bear in mind that it is lost every reboot, so if you did not already take a copy, you should repeat the experiment before capturing again. Thanks! Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Touchpad problem
2009/1/31 Tiago Marques tiago...@gmail.com: Almost already as I started using it, I noticed that sometimes the touchpad would be irresponsive. I may use it for hours without having a problem but, when it happens, it usually doesn't start working again soon. Which OS version are you using? I'm assuming 8.2.0. This is fixed for 8.2.1, perhaps you'd like to join the testing effort? Sometimes it just jumps around like crazy, sometimes it just goes the wrong way I want it to. When this happens, the touchpad's buttons also are irresponsive, for as much as I press either one. When this happens, best thing to do is let go for a few seconds so that it can recalibrate. Most of the time, the driver detects that the mouse is going crazy, but it is unable to recalibrate while you are using it. Alternatively, you can force a recalibration using http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Four_finger_salute Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Testing] Notes from an impromptu 8.2.1 Release Mtg.
Probably best to upload somewhere and put a link here. http://www.megapathdsl.net/~hmurray/tmp/messages.11 It also contains the info from when I poked my icon and it worked. That starts at 08:49. I inserted a few blank lines at that point to separate it from the booting stuff. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: AMD to stop working on Geodes (Carlos Nazareno)
Edward Cherlin wrote: National Semiconductor, which bought the line from Cyrix. I edited several of the pin- and register-level manuals for various chips for them more than ten years ago, and updates of my work are still online on the AMD Web site. OLPC has educated AMD on how to use the power-management registers to do things that nobody previously knew were possible. AMD may have made some odd decisions over the years, but they don't deserve the kicking they are getting. AMD gave OLPC unprecedented access to the combined software and hardware expertise for the Geode - AMD didn't have to be so open and OLPC didn't ask for it. The AMD engineers (and there were many, many more than I) worked hand in hand with the OLPC designers from the beginning, long before virtually everybody on this mailing list or in the IRC room had jumped on the bandwagon. I was fortunate to be working with brilliant developers such as Mark and Mitch who were able to read datasheets and ask interesting qeustions, and they were fortunate to be able to have a nearly direct connection to the silicon designers that designed the part. AMD and OLPC educated each other - and the result was arguably the most open processor in history on one side, and a little green machine on the other. So I take exception to the idea that AMD was the bumbling fool in this partnership - that is an unfair characterization, and an insult to the AMD engineers that spent a lot of hours reviewing schematics, looking at USB debug traces and writing code - much of which is still running on the system to this day. Jordan ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
[Server-devel] XS Moodle design issues
As I said in my previous email, I think you might be trying to do too much engineering upfront. Here's a couple of thoughts for you to consider. 1. Topics-style course format, geared for a year-long: As a classroom teacher I would rather you not arrange the format for me. I find the topics format as it comes in the box from Moodle is just fine. I, for instance, have my course organized by subject areas - Reading and Writing, Science, Math, Physical Education, and Community Issues (where I have parent sign up forms and general announcements.) 2. Change of year admin tools. I don't see the need to put that much energy into moving whole classes at a time. Again, the enrollment options out of the box will work just fine. And, I think there's probably a lot of variations in the composition of actual classes from year to year. Here in Minneapolis we call it the 'mobility' problem-poor families move a lot here. It might not be the same every where but I think it's still common enough to make it so spending a lot of time on the tool as you're describing. 3. We want a course creation process that is streamlined -- skip the course settings page, and enrolment steps. Create the course with presets, load a content template, auto-enrol the creator as teacher, and put the user directly in the course page. That's probably a good idea to start, but once they get into it, true Moodlers will want to start getting creative and messing around with things. The beauty of Moodle is that I can get stuff from teachers anywhere - I can take things that I see high school teachers in Scotland doing and adapt it to my students. Browsing the Moodle forums is one of the most exciting things that I've ever encountered as a teacher. I wouldn't want that option taken away or diminished in any way. I think we need to open up the exchange of teaching ideas even more and make it possible for individual teachers or schools to tailor Moodle to fit their needs.. Also, regarding admin issues/users: I've found the need for even more types of roles, I have non-editing teachers, tutors, parents, editing teachers, visitors that have passed a screening, etc. I think this is an area where there will likely be even more development necessary depending particular circumstances. 4. What You Paint Is What You Get editor This is one I'd really like. FYI, I've just recently started using the workshop module and think it has real possibilities. It was designed for much older groups, but it really is a great way to teach writing, I think. I appreciate your efforts for us all, Thanks, Dan ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
