Re: [Sugar-devel] Browse.xo -- preserving a downloaded filename?
Martin Langhoff wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Bert Freudenberg > > wrote: > > What's your use case? > > In the normal course of operation, the XOs will work with the XS over > wireless, getting their individual leases. This is a fallback "rescue" > leases.sig . Here's a gentle suggestion on how to more quickly (but narrowly) implement this use case: why not use Pippy to write a minimal activity that downloads the leases.sig file [e.g. with urllib2, wget, or curl], tests for mounted USB sticks, prompts the user if they're missing, and that copies the leases.sig file to the USB stick? I think this might be a good way to go because * it'll be faster than figuring out how to solve file management, * it doesn't depend on anyone else making changes, and * it may be of some educational value to people who want to understand how the system actually works and how they might automate it for themselves. Regards, Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Browse.xo -- preserving a downloaded filename?
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Simon Schampijer wrote: >> Actually I came along this myself the other day. I would propose to have the >> file name as the entry title and the 'downloaded from' description in the >> journal entry description field. > > +1! +1 ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Browse.xo -- preserving a downloaded filename?
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Simon Schampijer wrote: > Actually I came along this myself the other day. I would propose to have the > file name as the entry title and the 'downloaded from' description in the > journal entry description field. +1! cheers, martin -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Journal and filenames on USB disks - more leases.sig problems
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > Rename and copy >From the department of useful tricks... If you want to preserve your users' ability to name a file you serve via HTTP, eschew proper mimetypes and say with me: Content-Type: application/x-forcedownload With that mimetype, the "rename and copy" strategy works. > Is there a better way to do this? At first blush it doesn't qualify as 'better', but this particular file is not meant to be read or edited by the end user (as it's Canonical JSON). So serving it text/plain was a liability, as the Journal would happily open it under Write.xo . So yes, we are better off with it. Maybe application/json-don't-edit-me would be more appropriate. cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Browse.xo -- preserving a downloaded filename?
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Dave Bauer wrote: > What would the file manager be for? Who is downloading this file, A teacher. Probably less technical than the kids. > how often > and what do they need to do with it? It is easy enough to download it from > the Terminal for a technical user. The technical users are on this list. Not in the field. What could you do with a file browser? - Put files on a USB stick to share them with others? - Browse a complex or large USB stick with files from my friends? cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Journal and filenames on USB disks - more leases.sig problems
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:47 PM, John Gilmore wrote: > Don't use Browse as if it was a real web browser. Don't use the > Journal as if it was a real file system. ... and don't use Sugar as a useful Desktop or UI...? I don't buy the argument. There are lots of things that rely on filenames; as the userbase of Sugar grows, users will use Sugar for an ever widening variety of tasks. cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Browse.xo -- preserving a downloaded filename?
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Bert Freudenberg > wrote: > > What's your use case? > > Does "leases.sig" give you a hint? :-) > > The XS can now handle antitheft services. One of the things I added is > the ability to generate a leases.sig with short-lived leases for all > the (non-stolen) machines in the school. > > In the normal course of operation, the XOs will work with the XS over > wireless, getting their individual leases. This is a fallback "rescue" > leases.sig . > > As you can see in my other email, the problem is compounded with the > Journal messing up rename :-/ > > We need a file manager IMHO. > What would the file manager be for? Who is downloading this file, how often and what do they need to do with it? It is easy enough to download it from the Terminal for a technical user. Dave > > > > > martin > -- > martin.langh...@gmail.com > mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect > - ask interesting questions > - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first > - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Browse.xo -- preserving a downloaded filename?
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > What's your use case? Does "leases.sig" give you a hint? :-) The XS can now handle antitheft services. One of the things I added is the ability to generate a leases.sig with short-lived leases for all the (non-stolen) machines in the school. In the normal course of operation, the XOs will work with the XS over wireless, getting their individual leases. This is a fallback "rescue" leases.sig . As you can see in my other email, the problem is compounded with the Journal messing up rename :-/ We need a file manager IMHO. martin -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Journal and filenames on USB disks - more leases.sig problems
> Is there a better way to do this? Don't use Browse as if it was a real web browser. Don't use the Journal as if it was a real file system. Run Firefox, not Browse. Open up a terminal and do what needs doing. You've just stumbled on one tiny corner of the problem that the Sugar tools don't teach kids about real hierarchical file systems, and don't provide access to real hierarchical file systems. So kids don't get access to source code (for reading or writing) because they can't grok the structure in which it's stored. Nor access to anything else, like lease signature files. John ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Journal and filenames on USB disks - more leases.sig problems
I am trying to get leases.sig from the XS to the USB stick. On 8.2.x,
Browse.xo saves the file as
File leases.sig from http://...
... two possible ways to move next.
Copy and rename
1 - Insert (fat-formatted) USB stick, once mounted copy the file to
the USB stick. Check on Terminal indicates that the file has the LFN
we expect ("File leases.sig from http://...";).
2 - Switch to the 'USB disk' view of the Journal.
3 - Rename the file to leases.sig . A check from the commandline
shows that the file has not been renamed. Oops?. The Journal only
renames the metadata. Bug?
Rename and copy
1 - Rename the file in the Journal to 'leases.sig'
2 - Insert (fat-formatted) USB stick, once mounted copy the file to
the USB stick. The Journal reports that the file is called lease.sig.
>From terminal I can see that the file is called lease.sig.txt . Bug?
Is there a better way to do this?
cheers,
m
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Browse.xo -- preserving a downloaded filename?
On 30.06.2009, at 19:20, Simon Schampijer wrote: > On 06/30/2009 07:17 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: >> Using Browse.xo v101 on 8.2.x I cannot get Browse.xo to save a file >> with the name that I am requesting. >> >> Browse.xo seems to take the name I hint from the server (from the URL >> and using an 'content-disposition: attachment, filename="leases.sig"' >> header). But it renames it as >> >> "File leases.sig downloaded from http://.. " >> >> Filenames are often important. Even minor changes to a filename can >> cause a lot of user grief. >> >> In general, OSs (from the kernel to the UI) try to keep the sanctity >> of the filename as they do with the data. When they don't, all sorts >> of trouble ensues. We wouldn't mangle the user's data. We shouldn't >> mangle the filenames. >> >> Decorating the filenames with additional metadata is _cool_ otoh... >> >> cheers, >> >> >> >> m > > Actually I came along this myself the other day. I would propose to > have > the file name as the entry title and the 'downloaded from' description > in the journal entry description field. While I would like this change it might make the Journal look more like a file manager which it isn't. - Bert - ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Browse.xo -- preserving a downloaded filename?
On 30.06.2009, at 19:17, Martin Langhoff wrote: > Using Browse.xo v101 on 8.2.x I cannot get Browse.xo to save a file > with the name that I am requesting. > > Browse.xo seems to take the name I hint from the server (from the URL > and using an 'content-disposition: attachment, filename="leases.sig"' > header). But it renames it as > > "File leases.sig downloaded from http://.. " This is not the filename but the journal entry title. The actual filename is just a uuid. That said, yes, the original filename should be preserved at least in the metadata (if the DS isn't actually rewritten to store files under their original name). What's your use case? - Bert - ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Browse.xo -- preserving a downloaded filename?
On 06/30/2009 07:17 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > Using Browse.xo v101 on 8.2.x I cannot get Browse.xo to save a file > with the name that I am requesting. > > Browse.xo seems to take the name I hint from the server (from the URL > and using an 'content-disposition: attachment, filename="leases.sig"' > header). But it renames it as > >"File leases.sig downloaded from http://.. " > > Filenames are often important. Even minor changes to a filename can > cause a lot of user grief. > > In general, OSs (from the kernel to the UI) try to keep the sanctity > of the filename as they do with the data. When they don't, all sorts > of trouble ensues. We wouldn't mangle the user's data. We shouldn't > mangle the filenames. > > Decorating the filenames with additional metadata is _cool_ otoh... > > cheers, > > > > m Actually I came along this myself the other day. I would propose to have the file name as the entry title and the 'downloaded from' description in the journal entry description field. Regards, Simon ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Browse.xo -- preserving a downloaded filename?
Using Browse.xo v101 on 8.2.x I cannot get Browse.xo to save a file with the name that I am requesting. Browse.xo seems to take the name I hint from the server (from the URL and using an 'content-disposition: attachment, filename="leases.sig"' header). But it renames it as "File leases.sig downloaded from http://.. " Filenames are often important. Even minor changes to a filename can cause a lot of user grief. In general, OSs (from the kernel to the UI) try to keep the sanctity of the filename as they do with the data. When they don't, all sorts of trouble ensues. We wouldn't mangle the user's data. We shouldn't mangle the filenames. Decorating the filenames with additional metadata is _cool_ otoh... cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Create and sign Country specific XO image
2009/6/30 Philipp Kocher : > The XOs got manufactured some time ago and just not delivered because > localization wasn't finished (localization is still not finished, but > the XO arrived yesterday). > So getting our own keys in the manufacturing data is not an option. You can keyject them, if you have an appropriate relationship with OLPC to get them to make you a keyjector firmware. > I hoped for an easier image creation and signing process. What is the > problem with the process described here > http://blog.olenepal.org/index.php/archives/183? Do your XOs have security enabled? If so you cannot do it because you cannot reach a command prompt and the XO will not accept unsigned images. Unless you want to modify the process to include obtaining developer keys for all laptops and disabling security. Also this method is a bad idea as has been discussed several times; many files are generated during the first and subsequent boots which are unique to each XO (hence you would want to delete them from your image) but nobody has really documented which ones they are or how you should deal with this. A number of projects have resorted to this method but all of them seem to face oddities after a while... Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Create and sign Country specific XO image
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:56 AM, Philipp Kocher wrote: > So getting our own keys in the manufacturing data is not an option. It still is. Google for keyjector :-) > What is the > problem with the process described here > http://blog.olenepal.org/index.php/archives/183? For a more complete explanation, see the 'multiple keys' page you will find googling for keyjector. Some major points: - Forces you to depend on OLPC. - Forces OLPC to audit your image before signing it. - Your OLPC-signed image can be used on _any_ secure XO that uses OLPC keys (instead of their own), not only the ones in your deployment. - By using OLPC's keys in your deployment, your XOs can be re-flashed with any other OLPC signed image. cheers, martin -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
